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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:eat my rear end tankie Sorry. No Stalinist would ever do that. Now get in gulag.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Isn't Gammon the UK word for chud? yep, pretty much a direct translation
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah the U.K. is probably headed towards a Soviet style breakup at best. Yugoslav style more likely. I mean frankly there is an argument to be made that like most of the former Yugoslav countries the countries of the island of Britain are really too small to be effective in the international sphere. But fourth years of Neoliberalism can fracture a place. I dunno about that. Yugoslavia broke up because as soon as Milosevic went Serb chauvinist on Kosovo everybody started arming themselves. it’s just hard to imagine the Scots secretly arming themselves the same way the Croats did.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I dunno about that. Yugoslavia broke up because as soon as Milosevic went Serb chauvinist on Kosovo everybody started arming themselves. it’s just hard to imagine the Scots secretly arming themselves the same way the Croats did. All the scots need to do is attack and seize the nukes.
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I wish. Wales is lost. The welsh are simply not racist enough and we do nothing but passive aggressively say welsh words really loud if we here an English accent. It's 2019 and the English are still wiping out cultures.
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Venom Snake posted:are you not gunna address the fact by actual vote total labor is doing literally the exact same it did under blair 1997 Labour vote share: 43.2% 2019 Labour vote share: 32% Truga posted:congrats on your $1000 phone Thanks, it's a second-hand iphone 6. Yinlock posted:again dude you already gave it away in your first post Sure, write off any facts I present by attacking me. genericnick posted:Sure. From the best result in decades. Who was the party leader then? Maybe you should put him in charge? Labour 1997 43.2% Labour 2017 40.%. And despite May being dogshit and 7 years of austerity he still lost. THS posted:it is good to see all the absolute worst liberal termites come out of the woodwork, thinking they have credibility now that they smell rot. try d&d instead marktheando posted:lol gently caress off MikeCrotch posted:I love to check out the rap sheets of losers who love to divebomb the UK threads after an election loss Zedhe Khoja posted:Go on home Tory soldier. Zedhe Khoja posted:If you're anti-republican and pro empire you're a loving Tory by definition. THS posted:lol if you think english voters had hamas in even the top 50 of things that mattered to them over brexit. shut the gently caress up liberal THS posted:keep trying to deflect on brexit you dumb bitch. you aren’t going to make any headway here This is sure an open-minded and tolerant forum where a variety of viewpoints can be discussed. Do you really think that this is a cool way to respond to a post or poster which you disagree with? The insults allow you to other anyone who offers an opposing viewpoint, thus rendering anything they say automatically wrong. That conveniently means that you don't have to consider what they say, let alone their opinions, or even the facts they provide. The numbers don't lie. Voters turned off Labour because of Corbyn. Labour did the worst it has done in decades. Its share of vote is less than it has been for years. Despite 9 awful years of austerity, terrible government, and a lying, racist, sexist sack of poo poo in Johnson, Labour under Corbyn still could not win a general election. It is clear how terrible and ill-suited to the job Johnson is, and voters still preferred him to Corbyn. Worse they lost it by a landslide. Attack me for saying that all you like, but you're just shooting the messenger so that you can ignore the reality. But among most posters here, it seems, laying any responsibility whatsoever for that at Corbyn's door is enough to merit abuse. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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really queer Christmas posted:Brexit means brexit Yep, even the Maybot, with that poo poo slogan and strong and stable government managed to beat Corbyn. Even her.
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Corbyn, as always, had an overly nuanced attitude towards Asssad. Had he risked the Curse of the Lion, Labour would have 0 seats in parliament, Ireland and Scotland would break away and join the EU, and England would be an unofficial colony of the US. I mean all that stuff is going to happen anyways, but Jezza’s conscience is clean.
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therattle posted:The numbers don't lie. Voters turned off Labour because of Corbyn. That's a qualitative factor, the numbers alone won't show that. You are dumb.
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therattle posted:This is sure an open-minded and tolerant forum where a variety of viewpoints can be discussed. Do you really think that this is a cool way to respond to a post or poster which you disagree with? The insults allow you to other anyone who offers an opposing viewpoint, thus rendering anything they say automatically wrong. That conveniently means that you don't have to consider what they say, let alone their opinions, or even the facts they provide.  gently caress off
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therattle posted:This is sure an open-minded and tolerant forum where a variety of viewpoints can be discussed. Do you really think that this is a cool way to respond to a post or poster which you disagree with? Ironclad D&D mindset right here
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therattle posted:This is sure an open-minded and tolerant forum where a variety of viewpoints can be discussed. lol
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get the gently caress out
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The last several pages are why corbyn should have immediately resigned, to spare his party this going on forever.
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i've never seen him post in the ukmt but it is basically a cspam thread in the wrong forum
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therattle posted:This is sure an open-minded and tolerant forum where a variety of viewpoints can be discussed. You need a struggle session
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It's like blaming Hillary's loss on white people being too racist, only this time it's true.
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THS posted:im gay iz true
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's like blaming Hillary's loss on white people being too racist, only this time it's true. theres definitely a part of that as shown by the number of hate crimes currently happening but as with 2016 its a result of a supposed labour government getting in and being neolib as hell and just assuming those areas would vote labour forever. this was the election that didn't happen
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Grape posted:That's a qualitative factor, the numbers alone won't show that. One of the surveys I quoted showed that by far the biggest factor in voters not voting Labour was the leadership. JC placed himself front and centre. So I think the numbers do show that. I’ve just seen this too: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-result-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-labour-boris-johnson-a9246046.html marktheando posted:
Thanks for emphasising my post. I read the OP. This was a thread for discussing the election, not the JC circle-jerk it seems to have become. What are you guys going to do if by some terrible accident you encounter someone from a different party, or even, god forbid, the right wing? therattle has issued a correction as of 21:30 on Dec 14, 2019 |
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like brexit had support from ethnic minorities who didn't like the fact that its free movement for the EU but not people from former colonies like them and boris gets in and puts a second generation indian immigrant as the person in charge of determining immigration rules and she wants to end it entirely
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therattle posted:One of the surveys I quoted showed that by far the biggest factor in voters not voting Labour was the leadership. JC placed himself front and centre. So I think the numbers do show that. brexit is a massive part of this and its stupid to assume otherwise. it was the main source of the constant backbench leaking
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therattle posted:
Yes Corbyn is at fault for not being authentic and just saying that Labour would follow the will of the voters on the referendum. Instead of agreeing to a second referendum. People wanted closure on that cluster duck and he allowed remoaner liberals to convince him otherwise. Which made him seem weak as a leader.Btw I also have a used iPhone six. And I am not nearly as big a oval office as you are.
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i'd have less total disdain for the labour right if they could actually loving offer anything policy wise except "we'll be like the tories just not as bad"
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corbyns options for dealing with an insanely hostile PLP was either purge a huge number of them or try and get them onboard and he picked the option that has always been his option and they spit on him and celebrated this loss
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therattle posted:(I do concede that the media was particularly hostile, but it was also because of things like support for the IRA, Assad and Hezbollah). 
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therattle posted:One of the surveys I quoted showed that by far the biggest factor in voters not voting Labour was the leadership. JC placed himself front and centre. So I think the numbers do show that. I'm sure Owen Smith would have gotten a great result, by giving even less of a poo poo about ex-industrial towns and having no ground game for campaigning
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Jose posted:brexit is a massive part of this and its stupid to assume otherwise. it was the main source of the constant backbench leaking Of course it’s a factor, and Labour sat on the fence. It was a difficult position to be in. But I also think it’s very clear that voters really didn’t like Corbyn, and he ran a bad campaign, with a dreadful result.
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Jose posted:i'd have less total disdain for the labour right if they could actually loving offer anything policy wise except "we'll be like the tories just not as bad" I am surprised any of them are left as Labour no longer is really a viable vehicle for capital to soft paddle privatization so being a no is no longer a way to get on boards of directors.
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Lawman 0 posted:Lmao Hey. Boris was right. Always praise The Lion.
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gently caress, that was his secret.
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Crowsbeak posted:I am surprised any of them are left as Labour no longer is really a viable vehicle for capital to soft paddle privatization so being a no is no longer a way to get on boards of directors. they don't have the connections required to be successful in the tory party so they cozied up to blair in various ways. david milliband worked in his office for example
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Jose posted:they don't have the connections required to be successful in the tory party so they cozied up to blair in various ways. david milliband worked in his office for example He also no longer is an mp. I mean people who are still MPs.
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Crowsbeak posted:I am surprised any of them are left as Labour no longer is really a viable vehicle for capital to soft paddle privatization so being a no is no longer a way to get on boards of directors. Lib Dems are a party of terminal failure so the only way to get a liberal government is by convincing Labour leftists to just hold their nose and accept neoliberalism.
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Crowsbeak posted:He also no longer is an mp. I mean people who are still MPs. they started a civil war when they realised their cushy consultancy careers post ministerial roles were gone with corbyn
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Lib Dems are a party of terminal failure so the only way to get a liberal government is by convincing Labour leftists to just hold their nose and accept neoliberalism. I am doubtful at that. Labour right has been utterly weakened. Now at the same time I have doubts about Labours future as the Tories do have a way to stay in power which is defending the “integrity” of the union as Scotland and NI try to leave.
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