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What does "economically left but socially conservative" look like, exactly? Free healthcare for people who don't miscegenate?
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Mak0rz posted:What does "economically left but socially conservative" look like, exactly? Free healthcare for people who don't miscegenate? "Let me grow weed in my back yard but don't make me live near any minorities" in my experience.
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Dec 15, 2019 20:19
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No eastern Europeans and no t-words.
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Dec 15, 2019 20:20
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So basically the Democratic party
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Dec 15, 2019 20:21
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Mak0rz posted:What does "economically left but socially conservative" look like, exactly? Free healthcare for people who don't miscegenate? That's basically the politics of Scotland in a nutshell.
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Dec 15, 2019 20:35
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Mak0rz posted:What does "economically left but socially conservative" look like, exactly? Free healthcare for people who don't miscegenate? It's the creation of socialism for a select in-group which is created by purging undesirables and seizing their assets. It's literally the only sense in which Naziism can be understood as socialism - socialism for the chosen "nation".
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Dec 15, 2019 20:44
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RoboRodent posted:I got an aunt and uncle who are vehemently anti-education. Teachers are scum, people who go to university are assholes who think they're better than us, etc etc. Their youngest had, at one point, aims to become a teacher, but her parents successfully bullied her out of it. It's interesting because I come from a family with a lot of teachers on that side: both my grandparents, my father, an aunt and uncle who married into the family.
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Dec 15, 2019 21:07
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Mak0rz posted:What does "economically left but socially conservative" look like, exactly? Free healthcare for people who don't miscegenate? National Socialism
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Dec 15, 2019 21:22
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It's what rich white people turn to so they don't feel so bad source: my bff is a rich white person who was like this before we met. Our friendship started because we wanted to argue economics over coffee. Now she's somewhere to the left of me.
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Dec 15, 2019 21:33
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T-man posted:It's what rich white people turn to so they don't feel so bad Are you accepting new clients?
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Dec 15, 2019 21:37
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Mak0rz posted:What does "economically left but socially conservative" look like, exactly? Free healthcare for people who don't miscegenate? If you read some of their writings it's this somewhat non-committal attitude with most of it's focus on the idea of international cooperation but not in the current way, kind of similar to what Mélanchon preached in France (Sorta like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alter-globalization). However there's also paragraphs devoted to this vague notion of "safeguarding cultural identies" along with economic security and that can really go any which way, especially in the UK. There's nothing outright stating they want to reserve or halt social progress but there's no commitment to the notion either, so reason enough to be highly skeptical.
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Dec 15, 2019 21:49
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Aramoro posted:That's basically the politics of Scotland in a nutshell. Sure, the part of the UK who voted against the tories en masse, voted to remain in the EU, have made it very clear that EU migrants (and others) have a home there, and who were protesting in the streets within 24 hours of fridge wankers election (including chants of “Say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome here.” in glasgow) is the racist part of the UK. Obviously.
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Dec 15, 2019 21:55
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Melenchon literally stood up in the European Parliament and accused immigrants of "stealing the bread" of French workers, so he's not really a role model. e: also literally today he blamed Corbyn's election defeat on him being too compromising to Jewish people in Britain. TinTower has a new favorite as of 22:02 on Dec 15, 2019 |
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Dec 15, 2019 21:57
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TinTower posted:
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Dec 15, 2019 22:16
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TinTower posted:Melenchon literally stood up in the European Parliament and accused immigrants of "stealing the bread" of French workers, so he's not really a role model. Last time I told my French friends about this and why I wouldn't have enthusiastically voted for him in the election they got really upset with me and told me I'd been reading too much centrist/neoliberal media 
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Dec 15, 2019 22:18
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Sagebrush posted:So basically the Democratic party Nah the democrats have no interest in economic left and only really care about idpol for as long as it’s convenient. The origin of donut twitter proves that
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Dec 15, 2019 22:23
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Clerical Terrors posted:Last time I told my French friends about this and why I wouldn't have enthusiastically voted for him in the election they got really upset with me and told me I'd been reading too much centrist/neoliberal media I'm already seeing the insoumise bring out the "how dare you accuse a life-long anti-racist campaigner of being anti-Semitic!" line that got a lot of use over here. The difference is, I don't believe Corbyn himself was actively anti-semitic, but like many on the Left, he was naive to antisemitism in his own camp and that made him make too many unforced errors. Melenchon's line that he will "resist the tsarist decrees of the CRIF" puts him closer to Chris Williamson when it comes to anti-semitic crankery. Especially as the CRIF did more to prevent a Le Pen presidency in 2017 than JLM did.
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Dec 15, 2019 22:28
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Double-posting, but there's some more searing hot British election takes for y'all: This is already pretty stupid, but what makes it even stupider is that a) Stephen Gethins (SNP) literally won the seat by only two votes in 2017, and b) he lost the seat to the Lib Dems, who were uncompromisingly supportive of trans rights during the election campaign. To the point that people are suggesting that's the reason Jo Swinson lost her seat to the SNP. 
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Dec 15, 2019 22:44
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I think that's what'd make me most nervous about a "social conservative" Labour, that TERFs would just set up shop and decide everything that smalls of trans people is icky and bad.
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Dec 15, 2019 23:19
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Dec 15, 2019 23:20
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https://twitter.com/ThomB01/status/1206291127764172807
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Dec 16, 2019 00:03
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Mak0rz posted:What does "economically left but socially conservative" look like, exactly? Free healthcare for people who don't miscegenate? It's a pretty common set of beliefs for Catholics. They believed they're required to look after the poor financially, but they also think abortion should be illegal. The problem, at least in the USA, is that you can't vote for issues independently, you have to vote for candidates, so they often end up choosing the right-wing candidates because the issue of abortion has been designed to override all other concerns.
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Dec 16, 2019 00:36
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Jurgan posted:It's a pretty common set of beliefs for Catholics. They believed they're required to look after the poor financially, but they also think abortion should be illegal. The problem, at least in the USA, is that you can't vote for issues independently, you have to vote for candidates, so they often end up choosing the right-wing candidates because the issue of abortion has been designed to override all other concerns. Coming from a Catholic household, and having attended Catholic school for 12 years, I can safely say that Catholics only care about helping the poor on paper. Collection baskets haven't been for the poor in my lifetime, and all of the money goes to supporting the priests in the parish and, at least in the Philadelphia archdiocese, paying legal fees for defending pervert priests or paying to resettle them in another parish in the archdiocese. Catholics are conservatives through-and-through in my experience. I probably would've registered as one if I had registered when I was 18, but luckily Obama won the election after that and really brought to the light how big dipshit conservatives everyone in my parish was.
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Dec 16, 2019 00:44
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Jurgan posted:It's a pretty common set of beliefs for Catholics. They believed they're required to look after the poor financially, but they also think abortion should be illegal. The problem, at least in the USA, is that you can't vote for issues independently, you have to vote for candidates, so they often end up choosing the right-wing candidates because the issue of abortion has been designed to override all other concerns. This was me in high school during the Bush’s first term, except i was Protestant and into the whole youth group thing 
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Dec 16, 2019 00:48
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It was much more important historically. Labour have a massive Catholic heritage, as much as the Tories were CoE and the Liberals were the home of nonconformists (especially Methodists and Quakers). Christian socialism still has some sway in both the Labour Party and the left of Irish politics. Blue Labour isn't that, though. It's more for Blairites who like to read the Daily Mail.
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Dec 16, 2019 00:56
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Mak0rz posted:What does "economically left but socially conservative" look like, exactly? Free healthcare for people who don't miscegenate? It's like the New Deal but strictly for white people. So like the New Deal. This is a bit involved and a lot of the "discourse" is in German, but Greta (  ) posted this:https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1205969006982815751 A bunch of people in the replies started sharing complaints about overcrowding in Deutche Bahn (the German railroad company), so 12 hours later, their PR person thinks this is a good idea: https://twitter.com/DB_Presse/status/1206182673888219136 https://twitter.com/DB_Presse/status/1206182674949382145   They didn't tag her, of course, because whoever this is was going for the triggered adult anti-environmentalists or whatever, but she nevertheless responded indirectly: https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1206203503363985408 But people seem to keep on this hate train.
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Dec 16, 2019 01:19
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TinTower posted:
And also Quilette apparently: (from 2018) https://twitter.com/blue_labour/status/999583313038856192 
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Dec 16, 2019 02:52
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Nothing but  Faaaaaaaaat as the eye can see
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Dec 16, 2019 02:57
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https://twitter.com/Dixie_Yankee/status/1206286725917507589
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Dec 16, 2019 04:03
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https://twitter.com/ColbyCovMMA/status/1206118453985173505?s=19
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Dec 16, 2019 04:04
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This is why you should have separate addresses and last names
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Dec 16, 2019 04:04
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Bombadilillo posted:Faaaaaaaaat as the eye can see I feel attacked.
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Dec 16, 2019 04:06
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Data Graham posted:This is why you should never get laid again
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Dec 16, 2019 04:15
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Oh my god, I have made fun of this tweet so many times and I just realized that I know the guy who wrote it like in real life. I see him four or five times a month, we have many mutual friends, I don't know what to do with this.
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Dec 16, 2019 05:03
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Vargo posted:Oh my god, I have made fun of this tweet so many times and I just realized that I know the guy who wrote it like in real life. I see him four or five times a month, we have many mutual friends, I don't know what to do with this. Mock him mercilessly?
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Dec 16, 2019 05:04
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Vargo posted:Oh my god, I have made fun of this tweet so many times and I just realized that I know the guy who wrote it like in real life. I see him four or five times a month, we have many mutual friends, I don't know what to do with this. which tweet
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Dec 16, 2019 05:09
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Somewhere on a control panel the "obvious abuser" alarm is going off, this is Bad poo poo. If you're ever in a relationship with someone like this,  then 
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Dec 16, 2019 05:11
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T-man posted:Somewhere on a control panel the "obvious abuser" alarm is going off, this is Bad poo poo. If you're ever in a relationship with someone like this, Yeah this is up there with the "Jim-n-Karen Smith" Facebook accounts. Whenever I see that I know it's 90% of the reason is the second name being controlled and abused and 10% the second name was caught flirting with a high school ex.
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Dec 16, 2019 05:23
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Clockwork Sputnik posted:Yeah this is up there with the "Jim-n-Karen Smith" Facebook accounts. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one of those accounts that isn’t constantly sharing lovely chud memes.
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Dec 16, 2019 05:25
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LordSaturn posted:which tweet The Harry Potter date one.
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Dec 16, 2019 05:27
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