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i feel like it's mostly because the devs themselves aren't native english speakers which means it takes them longer to read poo poo
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I don't think the people who are behind the game's script have any difficulty reading English.
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itry posted:I don't think the people who are behind the game's script have any difficulty reading English. Not difficulty, no, they're obviously completely fluent. But it's always at least a little harder to read a language other than your first, even if you are very fluent. Your brain actively treats them differently. Plus you have to take into account that they probably got their time estimate from their playtesters, who were not all necessarily world-class writers in the English language.
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cock hero flux posted:Not difficulty, no, they're obviously completely fluent. But it's always at least a little harder to read a language other than your first, even if you are very fluent. Not really, no. English is my second language and most of my daily reading has been in it for about twenty years and there hasn't really been any difference for at least ten, maybe fifteen. I don't know what the deal with the time estimate was. Maybe just a slip of tongue or a brainfart. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I'm assuming it was in terms of how long it'd take to see all the content or they underestimated how fast people read. I'm also not a native English speaker and I got thru DE in 20ish hours, so...
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Irt to the settling of the insulidae. The Isola was uninhabited by "natives" the Semense came from another Isola millennia earlier before the arrival of the Dolorians and possibly didnt spread to Revachol. Or they were purged away and stuff revised later to cover it up. An alternative theory is that the Revachol Isola also "expanded" out of the pale or merged /swallowed the Semense Isola to create a new "Super Isola" that was mostly uninhabited still. Third Option the Semense were rounded up by the army of humanity and used as slaves in the newly formed colonies and likely some escaped and developed their own culture on an isolated island chain.
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After having played through it, I can't recall a single disco song in the entire game. Is there any disco music, did I just miss it? The "anodic dance music" is more like acid house/trance
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Yeah, Disco is explicitly an embarrassing, outdated relic of the past. There is a bunch of disco-related text content, though.
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Dec 16, 2019 03:18
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the thread's latest necktie revelation  what a great game
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Lichtenstein posted:Yeah, Disco is explicitly an embarrassing, outdated relic of the past. It's just very odd to me that a game with so much disco references and aesthetic wouldn't even bother to include a disco song. It's sort of like Rap The Musical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG_rEqCivn4
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Doctor Nick posted:It's just very odd to me that a game with so much disco references and aesthetic wouldn't even bother to include a disco song. In How Music Works, David Byrne discusses a theory of musical development as technological innovation. In our world, Disco was what happened when big bands gave way to small bands amplified by new technology to dance venues just using recordings almost exclusively. In turn the music changed to take advantage of the given technological (and therefore material) reality. I didn't interpret it as a fully Marxist read on music at the time I read it, but I wasn't exactly primed for such things back when I did. I assumed it was Disco the way our world's was Disco on a technical level-- there was music with large bands, then there was music with smaller but technologically amplified bands, then there was music which cut out live musicians and focused on recorded dance hits. Similar enough that we would recognize it as disco, probably influenced just as much through a combination of drugs and queer and minority experience as our version, but distinct in harmonics, tone, style flourishes, etc. All that said, I imagined that the music you hear at Whirling-In-Rags was a sort of soft, mostly instrumental cover of one of the disco classics, the same way you'd hear an easy listening, slightly jazzy version of Funky Town playing in a mall.
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Paladin posted:In How Music Works, David Byrne discusses a theory of musical development as technological innovation. I agree, that makes sense. But if this is the case, then wouldn't the technological timeline of DE be WAY off for that sort of musical development? Reel-to-reel tapes are still the pre-eminent recording method in Elysium and Disco rose and fell in the '30s (so about 10-20 years ago). By comparison, the time Disco rolled around in our world, it was already obsolete, replaced by 8-tracks and cassettes. Doctor Nick fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Doctor Nick posted:I agree, that makes sense. But if this is the case, then wouldn't the technological timeline of DE be WAY off for that sort of musical development? I took it as another instance of technology in DE not lining up with our world at all, kind of like how they have nuclear power and literal cloud computing but not CRT monitors.
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I think you can get into the 60-hour territory if you read every single line aloud, audiobook/streamer style.
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Hmm. Would that ceiling fan be strong enough to support such weight? It's a nice looking fan, but... I dunno.lunar detritus posted:I think you can get into the 60-hour territory if you read every single line aloud, audiobook/streamer style. As an aspiring voice actor, I now want to try and play through again doing this but I think Harry's voice would have me coughing up blood. ( For some reason I assume his voice is the reptile brain voice, it just seems to fit. )
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Dec 16, 2019 06:07
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the ceiling fan is also on when you wake up. it seems like it would be kind of hard to hang yourself on a moving fan
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Counterpoint: Crisis Harry didn't seem to be particularly good at anything besides loving up. Trying to hang himself on a moving fan seems appropriate.
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Shear Modulus posted:the ceiling fan is also on when you wake up. it seems like it would be kind of hard to hang yourself on a moving fan Well, it obviously wasn't a successful attempt, unlike noted musician Gulliame de Million. I think that thought adds a weird amount of credence to the tie's origin story theory.
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Did the game hint anywhere else other then the end about the Claire twins? I don't understand if that was hinted at anywhere else in the game or if it actually explained some previous behavior.
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Doctor Nick posted:Did the game hint anywhere else other then the end about the Claire twins? I don't understand if that was hinted at anywhere else in the game or if it actually explained some previous behavior. Did you ever look at Evrart's eye in his portrait when talking to him?
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Just blazed through it as hard as I could. Jesus gently caress this is GOTY for me. I knew it was going to be amazing within the first few minutes when I saw this:  I tried to fix him. I think I did? Mostly. Now to do a disaster run.
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I finished my first playthrough yesterday, took 27 hours total. Such a miracle of a game. Going into the final section, I was expecting the killer to be Edgar Claire. He was mentioned several times as working behind the scenes for the union, so the motive was there. In retrospect not a bad guess since we learn he did work with the killer in the past. I wasn't expecting *three* deep conversations on the island though, each with completely different themes yet working together as well as they did.
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Also it could just be that this worlds version of Disco has nothing to do with our reality's disco, but sharing the name. also for the tie and fan, I don't think it really adds up. The fan is moving when you wake up, most ceiling fans aren't anchored well enough to hold up a guy who probably weighs 200+ pounds and a silk tie isn't exactly going to be as sturdy as heavy duty rope or a leather belt. Maybe he did think about it, but I don't think it ever got to the point there was a noose around his neck. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Holy poo poo Klaasje was not kidding when she said interrogating her was going to suck.
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Paladin posted:In How Music Works, David Byrne discusses a theory of musical development as technological innovation. On the other hand, all the other aesthetics of disco (dress, grooming, disco balls...) seem to have carried over along with disco's chronological place (along with its influence on
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itry posted:Well... the other person is a guy who calls himself Measurehead and believes in Craniometry as a way to measure depravity.
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:She might've been an Ultra back in her younger and hungrier days, but both her demeanor and the color of scheme of her portrait suggest Moralist leanings. She's surprisingly understanding about it if you take a hardline communist stance in your interactions with her. That and the self-deprecating way she talks about her role in society, I interpreted it as some kind of subdued remorse. She also clearly doesn't want the situation to escalate to bloodshed. She didn't even want mercenaries in the first place.
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Joyce is an absolutely excellent counterpart to Evrart in the sense that she is ideologically corrupt (DIOS MIO) but has tremendous personal integrity. There are several cues of this: when she talks about her daughters, when one of the Motorics chimes in when you are shaking her hand, and particularly she argues against the Moralintern ("We should have burned this city to the ground instead of letting them have it"). (also, another trait I find very curious about her is how she presents herself - "I am a serpent, the vilest of the vile" - and you learn about reality itself from her. You know, like that old story about a tree of knowledge and a snake. And her theme has a choir singing. I MEAN IT ADDS UP) Evrart, on the other hand, believes that he is self-justified in doing anything for the workers of the world, ultimately undermining the cause. He is morally bankrupt. He believes in socialism, but does not think that anyone else should lead the débardeurs, thus making the Union momentarily stronger for his shenanigans but fatally damning it for sabotaging the necessary bases for democratic socialism.
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Joyce is a lot more powerful than she initially lets on, and (ending spoilers) if the Union ends up in control of the port and she’s faced once again with choosing between ‘burn it all down’/‘let them have it’, she goes with ‘let them have it’ That all does fit with here being more of a moralist than an ultra libertarian, though that’s quite at odds with the attitude the writing takes to centrism elsewhere.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Joyce is an absolutely excellent counterpart to Evrart in the sense that she is ideologically corrupt (DIOS MIO) but has tremendous personal integrity. There are several cues of this: when she talks about her daughters, when one of the Motorics chimes in when you are shaking her hand, and particularly she argues against the Moralintern ("We should have burned this city to the ground instead of letting them have it"). that's not a definite thing with evrart. the brothers are extremely good at prevarication to a degree that we barely even glimpse during our dealings with them, and it's entirely possible that the slimy, morally bankrupt toad we see every time we go into evrart's office is just another act he puts on to get the detectives caught up in the conflict between himself and joyce
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DoctorTristan posted:That all does fit with here being more of a moralist than an ultra libertarian, though that’s quite at odds with the attitude the writing takes to centrism elsewhere. But Joyce's choice when she realizes that the situation is 'escalate to much more violence' or 'the workers will have the port' is hardly a centrist choice. She's not abdicating responsibility; when confronted with that crisis point where things cannot be the status quo any longer she does in fact make a better choice.
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Avalerion posted:What happens if you actually succeed with the expression on her, anyway. It's secretly a check to see if you can stop yourself from pointing The Expression at her in an idle fancy.
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DoctorTristan posted:That all does fit with here being more of a moralist than an ultra libertarian, though that’s quite at odds with the attitude the writing takes to centrism elsewhere. Pretty sure the attitude the writing ultimately takes is the rejection of such simple absolutes.
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In general the writing mocks the idea that there's an 'above it all' opinion that can avoid engaging with the situations you run into and presents a status quo that cannot hold. The Sunday Friend is ridiculous (and bad) because he's there in a slum quoting abstract economic metrics while next door the Working Class Woman is trying to paper over her broken windows with newspaper, that sort of thing.
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Avalerion posted:What happens if you actually succeed with the expression on her, anyway. you have the wherewithal to realize that a pickup line isn't going to work and it makes you sad. this makes klassje sympathetic enough to hang around a little longer, which lets you ask her about what went down in your room the previous night
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