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Chichevache posted:We make more of an effort to engage in it than you do. If we've learned anything it's that cops have zero problems engaging.
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https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/11/aurora-police-officer-drunk-driving/quote:On-duty Aurora police officer who passed out drunk while driving kept job, was never charged with DUI So admitting to drunk driving on duty is enough to earn a cop an arrest or a charge, right? quote:“Due to an inability to exclude a medical condition, and absent confirmatory information, a DUI investigation was not conducted,” the statement said. “No blood test was done since there was no felony committed and a blood draw could not be forced.” Oh. The police chief outright states this excuse was irrelevant to his decision: quote:I want you to know I unequivocally stand by my decision regarding the involved officer because I care about the human being who stepped up and owned his incredibly poor decision…and continues to courageously own it. https://www.9news.com/article/news/...28-bf1cac98b71a Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Dec 17, 2019 |
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Smiling Jack posted:hmmm I feel you might not be posting here in good faith Yes. I’ve been the subject of quite a few disciplinary actions with respect to my posting and have been terminated from quite a few forums, nonetheless I quickly received a new job posting the same stuff in a different forum thanks to my connections.
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Fallom posted:https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/11/aurora-police-officer-drunk-driving/ Admitting to drinking without additional evidence usually isn't enough for a charge for anyone around here either. Merely being passed out in a car, absent a chemical test, usually gets the case dismissed. Getting a warrant for a blood draw is only done for cases with injury. Other jurisdictions can apparently get warrants for blood in like, ten minutes, so not sure if this is a typical case or willful malfeasance for that department.
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:Yes. I’ve been the subject of quite a few disciplinary actions with respect to my posting and have been terminated from quite a few forums, nonetheless I quickly received a new job posting the same stuff in a different forum thanks to my connections. sounds like you want to discuss the phenomenon of small towns creating departments for revenue generation and then hiring part time cops at $12 a hour leading to atrocious hiring standards and the lack of a nationwide policing standard but probably not Here's an article about it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_cop Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Dec 17, 2019 |
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Smiling Jack posted:Admitting to drinking without additional evidence usually isn't enough for a charge for anyone around here either. quote:One officer, Eugene VanDyk, can be heard commenting on Meier’s apparent intoxication in his body camera footage. Other officers noted in their written reports that they smelled alcohol on Meier and in the car.
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Yup, absent a chemical test that level of evidence wouldn't even make it to arraignments in NYC. ... maybe Staten island
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I'm sorry, I genuinely don't believe you that an average citizen passing out drunk in their car in the middle of a busy intersection while reeking of booze will not even earn a breathalyzer test or a blood draw order. Do the police in NYC not treat reckless driving, obvious impairment, and alcohol smells like a DUI?
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Fallom posted:I'm sorry, I genuinely don't believe you that an average citizen passing out drunk in their car in the middle of a busy intersection while reeking of booze will not even earn a breathalyzer test or a blood draw order. Do the police in NYC not treat reckless driving, obvious impairment, and alcohol smells like a DUI? You can't breathalyzer an unconscious person and getting a warrant for a blood draw is a 5-6 hour process in NYC and is only done for accidents with injuries. Also, hand held PBT are not common issue here, and aren't usually admitted in court anyway due to calibration issues. Edit: you'd think being caught on video firing a gun and screaming "die bitch" would be a slam dunk murder case but since we didn't recover the gun or any shell casings, the prosecutor argued we didn't know if it was a real gun or if it was firing blanks. Case dismissed before arraignment.
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Fallom posted:I'm sorry, I genuinely don't believe you that an average citizen passing out drunk in their car in the middle of a busy intersection while reeking of booze will not even earn a breathalyzer test or a blood draw order. Do the police in NYC not treat reckless driving, obvious impairment, and alcohol smells like a DUI? That's not what hes saying. Hes saying that without bloodwork done by a lab the case would be thrown out in NYC, even if the entire department testified they smelled the odor of an alcoholic beverage.
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Cool he’s not going to get in trouble in court, whatever. Why is he keeping his job? quote:
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Well, as we as a society have clearly decided, cops aren't average citizens and do not have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Also, I sure hope all of you are willing to agree that there are bad cops, and there are good people who are cops, but that there are major institutional problems with the police in the USA and even if you're a good cop, you're part of a corrupt and problematic institution which makes you part of the problem.
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A Bad Poster posted:Well, as we as a society have clearly decided, cops aren't average citizens and do not have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Fixed
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:Cool he’s not going to get in trouble in court, whatever. union bitch suck on my fat pension edit: may not apply for aforementioned $12 departments
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Also I think you guys may not realize this but the guy in question was also a police officer and there is a tendency for other members of that particular organization to overlook faults and outright crimes for fellow employees. I hope this helps everyone understand what very well may have transpired here.
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The answer is probably that the union will back him because there is no conviction.
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Smiling Jack posted:union bitch suck on my fat pension We’ve got some good old fashioned sexism and homophobia here boys
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At least I learned one weird trick to dodge a DUI that will surely work for me If there’s no accidents just go limp and non-compliant!
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:We’ve got some good old fashioned sexism and homophobia here boys but enough about your posting
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Fallom posted:At least I learned one weird trick to dodge a DUI that will surely work for me There's a reason refusing a DUI test is an option, and also why it results in civil penalties.
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varies massively by department. I know of other departments that can get a warrant for your blood in like ten minutes. Where the crime occurs and the local case law makes a huge difference in enforcement.
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Please don't engage with the FYAD refugee. We don't need these irony ronin, bereft of a homeland, congregating in GIP and becoming ironic highwaymen. A Buff Gay Dude, take the opportunity to leave now, thanks.
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Fallom posted:At least I learned one weird trick to dodge a DUI that will surely work for me Always Consent to A Brethalyzer
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30 TO 50 FERAL HOG posted:Always Taking a breathalyzer is like talking to the cops post miranda- there's no good outcome for you.
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Laws in America are so balkanized. Slapping someone in the face causing no injury can be charged as a felony on Florida, and isn't even a misdemeanor in NYS. It's a violation, which means you can only be locked up if you do it in front of a cop. If the victim feels "significan pain" its a misdemeanor and you can be arrested.
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McNally posted:Please don't engage with the FYAD refugee. We don't need these irony ronin, bereft of a homeland, congregating in GIP and becoming ironic highwaymen. Even on the internet, the cops wont let the homeless camp somewhere so they can safely post for the night.
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Smiling Jack posted:You can't breathalyzer an unconscious person and getting a warrant for a blood draw is a 5-6 hour process in NYC and is only done for accidents with injuries. Would they not just wait for the person to wake up? This seems like a pretty big double standard from the admittedly limited second/third hand knowledge knowledge of DUI convictions I have.
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Chichevache posted:Even on the internet, the cops wont let the homeless camp somewhere so they can safely post for the night. homeless guys are the best informants I ever had
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Dum Cumpster posted:Would they not just wait for the person to wake up? This seems like a pretty big double standard from the admittedly limited second/third hand knowledge knowledge of DUI convictions I have. once the guy goes into the medical system all sorts of weird poo poo apply And tbh if the guy is already passed out in his car he's usually has a suspended license so when you charge him with the suspension and the open containers in the vehicle for the same result
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Guys, keep on mind all this poo poo is HUGELY location dependent. When I refer to American policing as a dysjointed, balkanized, absolutely hosed organizationally, I'm not kidding. For fucks sake the NYPD didnt get most cops emails until 2013 or so and we just stopped faxing paperwork to the various DA offices this year
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Smiling Jack posted:homeless guys are the best informants I ever had A buff gay dude is snitching? Checks out. Never talk to mods.
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I'm not exactly thrilled that a drunk-driving cop is allowed to continue endangering the public but ultimately can't disagree with the conclusion that a combination between the US's hosed up legal systems and strong police unions keeps these people from receiving justice. It also hurts because one of my friends was killed by a sheriff who crossed the center line while texting, and naturally there wasn't even a question of dismissing all charges against him. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Dec 17, 2019 |
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Fallom posted:I'm not exactly thrilled that a drunk-driving cop is allowed to continue endangering the public but ultimately can't disagree with the conclusion that a combination between the US's hosed up legal systems and strong police unions keeps these people from receiving justice. It's not just the cop, you'd be amazed at how many people walk on that. Sometimes (most of the time) being a cop helps, sometimes it doesn't .
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Smiling Jack posted:Guys, keep on mind all this poo poo is HUGELY location dependent. When I refer to American policing as a dysjointed, balkanized, absolutely hosed organizationally, I'm not kidding. Yeah, I get that, and figured different rules might apply once you're at the hospital. Still seems unusual. I know of a couple people who tried to sleep it off in their cars and got hosed. Also quote:I want you to know I unequivocally stand by my decision regarding the involved officer because I care about the human being who stepped up and owned his incredibly poor decision…and continues to courageously own it. I agree with the general idea (maybe not so much with DUIs) but wish everyone was treated as a human being and kept out of our lovely prison system as much as possible, not just people in power.
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Are the cops in Aurora unionized? I know similar cases have been taken to trial in other judicial districts in CO (minus the cop part). Not really doing anything seems suboptimal
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Oh NYPD cops get hit for DUI like, all the time. A non-violent misdemeanor conviction, if you're dumb enough to take it to trial, will get you fired. Most cops are smart enough to refuse to blow, so they'll try and take it to trial on observation / refusal, which usually results in a violation plea, and the cop gets what's known as "thirty and a year" which is 30 days lost vacation and a year dismissal probation, which doesn't sound like much, but you basically agree to spot-check breathalyzer checks and a year without union protection, which makes it very easy to fire you. (btw you'd be amazed at th number of FedEx and UPS drivers with DUI priors) note that refusal to blow is treated differently than inability to blow.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Are the cops in Aurora unionized? I know similar cases have been taken to trial in other judicial districts in CO (minus the cop part). Not really doing anything seems suboptimal Yes, they are
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Proud Christian Mom posted:imagine if literally any of this compassion and understanding was extended to any of the people routinely executed by police for the suspicion of committing a misdemeanor. without googling it how many unarmed people do you think the cops shoot every year? Just off the top of your head Edit: how many are shot and killed to be specific Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Dec 17, 2019 |
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