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oxsnard posted:They're not doing impeachment again unless there is actual republican support for it. So they're not doing impeachment twice There is a value to impeaching him again for the sake of the law. So if you only impeach him once on something that fits, but you leave the others out it appears arbitrary. That said being the only president so far to be impeached multiple times and shielded by his party is a major history black mark. Something that will piss him off forever, something that will always loom over the Republican Party and a rallying cry to fix poo poo.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:There is a value to impeaching him again for the sake of the law. So if you only impeach him once on something that fits, but you leave the others out it appears arbitrary. That said being the only president so far to be impeached multiple times and shielded by his party is a major history black mark. Something that will piss him off forever, something that will always loom over the Republican Party and a rallying cry to fix poo poo. i agree but id almost wait for the next whistleblower and the various reports of new crimes before throwing the impeachment gauntlet down again.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:I've also been hoping they'll impeach him twice. If if if this country is hosed up enough to vote him for a second term, they'd better impeach him again. This country is irreparably broken if Trump wins again (he's not winning again)
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oxsnard posted:Trump's gonna go on a brazen crime spree after the senate trial
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oxsnard posted:This country is irreparably broken if Trump wins again (he's not winning again) Barring foreign election interference and voter suppression, you're probably right. So in summary, LOL. e: SubG posted:Trump's gonna go on a brazen crime spree after the Senate trial. Also before and during the Senate trial. Also this. If he isn't removed, which is most likely, he and the rest of the GOP are just gonna crime harder. e2: I don't really think he'll win reelection but I'm not super confident about it.
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Pelosi had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to impeaching after the orange faced fucker stood on live national television and said "Yeah I did the thing, it was a perfect thing, here's the documentation of me doing the thing, and I'd do it again with China because it was perfect!" I have a really hard time believing she'll do it again.
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Djarum posted:This is how I counter all the Biden nonsense. This is not about Biden, this is about Donald Trump and the actions he took. Just because you are starving and steal to feed yourself doesn't change the fact that you committed a crime. javert kills himself you know
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bird food bathtub posted:Pelosi had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to impeaching after the orange faced fucker stood on live national television and said "Yeah I did the thing, it was a perfect thing, here's the documentation of me doing the thing, and I'd do it again with China because it was perfect!" Yeah, they're not gonna impeach a second time. Raskolnikov38 posted:javert kills himself you know Was going to reply about Javert and was surprised no-one had when I read that post, thank you. e: Republicans and Libertarians hyperfocus on "they broke they law" (especially when it comes to immigration) because they think it excuses them from the moral implications of the situation. But if you point out that crossing the border illegally was a civil offense that generally resulted in a $10 fine while speeding tickets are much larger fines and they undoubtedly speed on a regular basis they have no response for that. RandomBlue fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Dec 17, 2019 |
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bird food bathtub posted:Pelosi had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to impeaching after the orange faced fucker stood on live national television and said "Yeah I did the thing, it was a perfect thing, here's the documentation of me doing the thing, and I'd do it again with China because it was perfect!" The votes weren't there before. It would be a real dumb move to move for an impeachment without the votes.
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Djarum posted:This is how I counter all the Biden nonsense. This is not about Biden, this is about Donald Trump and the actions he took. Just because you are starving and steal to feed yourself doesn't change the fact that you committed a crime. you're a fucker
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Djarum posted:This is how I counter all the Biden nonsense. This is not about Biden, this is about Donald Trump and the actions he took. Just because you are starving and steal to feed yourself doesn't change the fact that you committed a crime. Please don't equate what Trump did with a crime of necessity. Crimes of necessity are often looked upon sympathetically especially with nonviolent offenders with a decent story and lawyer. At worst they run the risk of a light sentence, at best an acquittal by a sympathetic jury.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Please don't equate what Trump did with a crime of necessity. Crimes of necessity are often looked upon sympathetically especially with nonviolent offenders with a decent story and lawyer. At worst they run the risk of a light sentence, at best an acquittal by a sympathetic jury. I am not equating what Trump did as a crime of necessity. It doesn't matter why you are stealing it is a crime. The reasoning doesn't matter the second you decide the break the law you have to be able to accept the consequences. Which if you are starving the option of being arrested and going to jail is worth it to be able to eat. Trump has knowingly broken the law. Period. It doesn't matter what his reasoning was if you break the law you need to accept the consequences.
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Djarum posted:I am not equating what Trump did as a crime of necessity. It doesn't matter why you are stealing it is a crime. The reasoning doesn't matter the second you decide the break the law you have to be able to accept the consequences. Which if you are starving the option of being arrested and going to jail is worth it to be able to eat. Ah yes, appealing to an unbending sense of absolute black and white justice seems like a winner 
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Stickman posted:Ah yes, appealing to an unbending sense of absolute black and white justice seems like a winner There is nothing to do with an a black or white sense of justice. Everything you do in your life you make a choice based on a variety of information. Like you decide to have an extra scoop of ice cream after dinner because you are craving it despite knowing you are going to have to put in extra work at the gym to make up for it. Or you don't just run into the middle of the street without looking because you know there is a chance you might get hit. This is the same with someone who is committing a crime. Very few criminals are going to be able to say they didn't know what they were doing was illegal. They know what they are doing is not legal, you can have an argument on if a law is "right" or "wrong" that is an entirely other argument, but they chose to do it anyway. Be it doing illicit drugs, jaywalking, bribery, theft or murder. We live in a society governed by rules and laws. If we stop following these then we might as well openly declare anarchy and start up the Mad Max world already. I am fine with either but I'd like to know. The Trump defense is like when a kid gets caught doing something and uses the defense of "Well Tommy did it too." You would get the response of "It doesn't matter if Tommy did it or not. Tommy isn't the one in trouble here." It is incredibly disturbing that the defense of the president's crimes is no better than what a six year old comes up it.
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People who commit crimes aren’t weighing up the sentences when they’re ‘deciding’ whether to break the law or not, djarum. They’re either not thinking about the consequences at all or simply think they won’t get caught. There’s a reason ‘tough on crime’ laws fail so hard as a deterrent.
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bird food bathtub posted:Pelosi had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to impeaching after the orange faced fucker stood on live national television and said "Yeah I did the thing, it was a perfect thing, here's the documentation of me doing the thing, and I'd do it again with China because it was perfect!" It wasn't even the first time he went on national television and confessed to a crime. It really is the fact that Trump went after Biden more than the fact that he keeps doing crimes that made the democrats finally move.
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Lemming posted:Trump is a rapist and a pedophile. this.
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Djarum posted:There is nothing to do with an a black or white sense of justice. Everything you do in your life you make a choice based on a variety of information. Like you decide to have an extra scoop of ice cream after dinner because you are craving it despite knowing you are going to have to put in extra work at the gym to make up for it. Or you don't just run into the middle of the street without looking because you know there is a chance you might get hit. so if you would literally starve to death?
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They’re taking issue with the crime you decided to compare Trump’s actions to. You could have picked a better example
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PIZZA.BAT posted:They’re taking issue with the crime you decided to compare Trump’s actions to. You could have picked a better example perhaps one that victor hugo didn’t write an entire book about even
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Dig UP, stupid! https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1206908888320221186?s=19
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How is it that nobody realizes that Rudy is the hero of this tale?
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Dig UP, stupid! One way to maybe combat the hurricane of brazen bullshit lies coming out of the right wing would be to perhaps hold them accountable with libel or defamation lawsuits or whatever would be applicable. Like if Judge Jeannie says Obama is a "danger to this country," that's just opinion, who cares. But if she says he's orchestrating a muslim overthrow of the government, then she needs to be asked for documentation or face some kind of censure or whatever. Hannity keeps insisting that Hillary killed Seth Rich? He'd better phrase that carefully as an opinion, or he'll have to show receipts. Preface all such "opinion" shows with huge disclaimers, and maybe even disclaimers after each commercial break. We've almost completely lost "truth" and nobody seems willing or able to plant a flag and defend reality anymore.
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:One way to maybe combat the hurricane of brazen bullshit lies coming out of the right wing would be to perhaps hold them accountable with libel or defamation lawsuits or whatever would be applicable. Well, considering conservative hyper-chuds are being appointed at record rates, its less surprising that folks thing fair application of jurisprudence is a colloquialism and not an actual structural system with fairness/impartiality as its theoretical cornerstone.
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:One way to maybe combat the hurricane of brazen bullshit lies coming out of the right wing would be to perhaps hold them accountable with libel or defamation lawsuits or whatever would be applicable. This is a solved problem - we have Verritt codes for that
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zonohedron posted:Hey I never said I wasn't taking the bait. I just responded in exactly the same way I'd explain it to my 7-year-old if he told me one of his classmates' parents had been listening to Fox News. And I'm stealing it for my 11 year old, thanks!
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I continue to be surprised at how poo poo a journalist Haberman is, despite her job as NYTimes White House correspondent. She's bull horning Giuliani without providing any context or additional information. May as well be a retweet by totally-an-american @Jane1776USA
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:We've almost completely lost "truth" and nobody seems willing or able to plant a flag and defend reality anymore. Working as it was intended.
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DARPA posted:I continue to be surprised at how poo poo a journalist Haberman is, despite her job as NYTimes White House correspondent. She's bull horning Giuliani without providing any context or additional information. May as well be a retweet by totally-an-american @Jane1776USA I think Maggie is dumb or credulous enough to think that the absurdity of Giuliani's statement speaks for itself, but that might be giving her too much credit.
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eke out posted:also lol even the republican voter base thinks top trump aides should testify, because they've been successfully convinced nothing wrong happened and he will be totally vindicated yeah. can't wait for the poo poo show circus thats coming.
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eke out posted:also lol even the republican voter base thinks top trump aides should testify, because they've been successfully convinced nothing wrong happened and he will be totally vindicated Anything that makes Mitch McConnell's life more difficult is a good thing, especially if it comes in the form of his own party being staggeringly incompetent.
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