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Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Thanks for the recommendations about Napoelonic uniforms! I'll check them out.

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Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe
Finished the officer too. I'm very surprised by how much I enjoy painting 28mm. When I need to paint up entire units, I'm sure I'll start to change my mind. For now, I love getting to go all out on details and highlights at my own pace.






Also, Wowshank this is all your fault! Sending me that AWI skirmisher sprue tipped me over the edge to buy some Perry Danes. Something I've thought about doing for years.

Fish and Chimps fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Dec 13, 2019

Wowshawk
Dec 22, 2007
bought with beer
Grimey Drawer
Glad to push you down the rabbit hole!

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Fish and Chimps posted:

Finished the officer too. I'm very surprised by how much I enjoy painting 28mm. When I need to paint up entire units, I'm sure I'll start to change my mind. For now, I love getting to go all out on details and highlights at my own pace.






Also, Wowshank this is all your fault! Sending me that AWI skirmisher sprue tipped me over the edge to buy some Perry Danes. Something I've thought about doing for years.

Nice! And yes, it's nice to take the time to rally make a model look as nice as possible now and then. I kind of tend to forget to do that when I have long periods of just painting big batches of rank-and-file units.

Cassa
Jan 29, 2009
Hey a while back someone was doing some African CoC with a big push on rapid german penetration of lines. Anyone got a link?

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

Cassa posted:

someone was doing some African CoC with a big push on rapid german penetration
Sounds like a porn movie.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
I'm sure that German are reasonably into BBC.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
We're planning on a CoC Gazala 1942 campaign, but I don't think I've written that much about it.

Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe

lilljonas posted:

We're planning on a CoC Gazala 1942 campaign, but I don't think I've written that much about it.

Play more SP2 campaign games dang nabbit! :bahgawd:

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Are you thinking of the TFL blog? There were a lot of blog posts about building the Perry desert figures, the lists, a few battle reports, etc.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Fish and Chimps posted:

Play more SP2 campaign games dang nabbit! :bahgawd:

My campaign opponent got a temporary job in another city and won't be back until spring dang nabbit! :bahgawd:

Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe

lilljonas posted:

My campaign opponent got a temporary job in another city and won't be back until spring dang nabbit! :bahgawd:

Curse him! I just got hooked on your campaign reports.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Youuuuu Russians!

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

JcDent posted:

Youuuuu Russians!



"...and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for your meddling Barclay de Tolly!"

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.

Cassa posted:

Hey a while back someone was doing some African CoC with a big push on rapid german penetration of lines. Anyone got a link?
That was probably me. I wrote a PSC for 8th Panzer Regiment's headlong dash through the 5th South African Brigade during Operation Crusader. If you wait a week or two, you can get it in the 2019 TFL Annual, but if you need it sooner let me know.

Cassa
Jan 29, 2009

Ilor posted:

That was probably me. I wrote a PSC for 8th Panzer Regiment's headlong dash through the 5th South African Brigade during Operation Crusader. If you wait a week or two, you can get it in the 2019 TFL Annual, but if you need it sooner let me know.

Yeah, no rush.

It was mostly because I wanted to ask how you setup your terrain. A desert must provide some challenges when you wanna set up an interesting battlefield.

muggins
Mar 3, 2008

I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash
Just gotta say the Napoleonic and ACW talk the last few pages has been amazing. Good job goons

If you're looking for a good modern ruleset (you should be) Contact Front just came out and it's looking really cool. From God's Eye Games

https://godseyegames.com/product/contact-front-digital-edition/

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.

Cassa posted:

It was mostly because I wanted to ask how you setup your terrain. A desert must provide some challenges when you wanna set up an interesting battlefield.
Indeed, and this one was complicated by the fact that the battlefield in question was billiard-table flat and the bedrock was as little as 9" below the surface (so digging in was basically impossible had they even had the opportunity). The majority of the "terrain" comes from the smoke of burning wrecks and the dust clouds thrown up by moving vehicles. It's kind of cool in that your "terrain" changes as the game progresses.

Han Feizi
Jul 20, 2014
My buddy and I just started dabbling in Chain of Command, and both games we have played have resulted in my near tabling. The last game was the first of our campaign, seeing the Soviets push into Manchuria against the IJA. He had enough support points to bring an HMG. He simply parked it between two squads to soak hits and mowed me down. I tried to smoke it with my knee mortars but it scattered, and he killed the squad entirely. While historically accurate it doesn’t really make for the most enjoyable play experience. How do you guys deal with stuff like that?

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
More terrain.

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.
^^^ This. A lot also depends on the mission. CoC loses a lot if the game is allowed to boil down to "two sides line up and blast each other until one of them breaks." But most of the missions involve some kind of movement or maneuver, and in many cases the defender is better off waiting as long as possible to deploy their units. If the Soviets are "pushing into Manchuria," then presumably they are the ones that need to move. HMGs are only good against targets they can see, so make him come to you, ideally at a position where his HMG is of limited or no utility.

Also, if it comes to it, snipers are great for picking out a particular team, as the hit has to go on the targeted unit.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


I changed my recipe a bit from the test mini and here's a Bren team!



I'm pretty pleased with it.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
Looking good!

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
So it seems Warlord have merged their Bersaglieri and regular Italian infantry sets together to simplify stockkeeping. I ordered the Bersaglieri with sun hats, but was slightly worried when regular infantry with helmets boxes arrived. Turns out they just have ALL the heads in the pack now.

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Arquinsiel posted:

So it seems Warlord have merged their Bersaglieri and regular Italian infantry sets together to simplify stockkeeping. I ordered the Bersaglieri with sun hats, but was slightly worried when regular infantry with helmets boxes arrived. Turns out they just have ALL the heads in the pack now.

They've been like this for years - all Italian infantry comes with ALL of the heads.

Unfortunately none come with 28mm Adrian helmets, which would be great for Spanish Civil War.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
The first box I got was just Bersaglieri with the sun hats, but I have no idea how long it had been sitting on a shelf before I picked it up. I could check for a packing date or something maybe.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Speaking of Warlord, they've just redesigned their webstore so actually finding things is easy now.

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.
Can confirm, the Warlord Italian Brixia mortar team I just got had all the heads. As I'm closing in on finishing my standard Italians, I think Bersaglieri in sun hats will be my next Italian unit. I have a few now, but not enough for an entire platoon. But I have so much other poo poo to do before that (complete Russian and Japanese platoons, more supports for all my other armies) that it will probably be a while until I get around to it.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Aren’t Italian platoons enormous? I seem to remember their sections being at least twice the size of other nations’ armies.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Endman posted:

Aren’t Italian platoons enormous? I seem to remember their sections being at least twice the size of other nations’ armies.

The sections are huge but most of the platoons have just two, one with riflemen and one with the LMGs afaik.

E: wrong, but two sections where half the section is a group of two Breda teams, and half the section is a ten man riflemen team. So two huge sections per platoon.

lilljonas fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Dec 16, 2019

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


I found this via some googling:



It's tempting to paint some to fight my Brits.

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Endman posted:

Aren’t Italian platoons enormous? I seem to remember their sections being at least twice the size of other nations’ armies.

My 19-man Polish rife squads laugh at the flexibility!

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006


I ordered two 3-man packs of models from North Star miniatures for Dracula's America and instead they sent me two 10-packs of models. So, uh, A+ would shop again.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
My mid-life crises continued and I now have 2nd hand reprints of CHARGE! Or how to play wargames and Donald Featherstone's War Games. Anyone here ever played them, and how do they compare to modern ones? Certainly a difference in the 3 or 8 pages of rules compared to the 50+ of General de Brigade and General de Armee I have already got.

I note the Lional Tarr Periscope can now be replicated by 21st century phones, so the rules for that can be used as is I hope.

Comstar fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Dec 17, 2019

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Endman posted:

Aren’t Italian platoons enormous? I seem to remember their sections being at least twice the size of other nations’ armies.
They vary from source to source. I've seen anything from the picture you posted above to the standard-ish "ten men with an LMG times three" platoon structure. There seems to be some difference of opinion as to what a Bersaglieri platoon looks like at the same time as regular army too.

tomdidiot
Apr 23, 2014

Stupid Grognard

Endman posted:

Aren’t Italian platoons enormous? I seem to remember their sections being at least twice the size of other nations’ armies.

I think they definitely changed from theatre to theatre. I think in North Africa at least, they were quite small because they stripped out most of the unneccessary personnel and adopted semi-German doctrine with fireteams based on LMGs.

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.

Endman posted:

Aren’t Italian platoons enormous? I seem to remember their sections being at least twice the size of other nations’ armies.
They are. The one you linked is from slightly later in the war when they decreased the size by a few men. Also, at some point they went from a two-squad platoon to a three-squad platoon, but finding information on when and how has been really difficult to pin down (I don't speak Italian, and Italy wasn't big on KStN-style documentation). And Bersaglieri/Alpini are all over the map in terms of how they were organized. I came across this at one point:

quote:

Unit Structure: The 1942-43 Bersaglieri light infantry platoon was truck or motorbike transported and commanded by a Tenente and two NCO Sergentes. It included two sections of 24 men each (48 Soldatos), with each section subdivided into three Squadra (squads) of eight men each. Each Squadra was commanded by a Sergente and composed of a light machine gun group (mitragliatori gruppo) of four men and a rifle group (fucilieri gruppo) of four men, each commanded by a Corporale.
...but it's hard to verify its accuracy. It's a "three squad" format, but there are two sections of three squads per platoon. That would effectively make it a six squad platoon, which is just :stare: It yields a platoon size that is either 51 or 57 men depending on whether the sergeants commanding each 8-man squad are supernumerary or not (which again, I can't find a definitive source on). That's pretty massive compared to most other nations' platoons. And this in no way addresses the "field expedient" organizations that may have occurred in places where the Italians were under German C&C.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
Here's how my Stugs are coming along... Still nervous about the camo scheme but I've started doing some black lining.







I don't spend enough time painting so I think I'm going to try and push to get a lot of this army done over the holiday break.

tomdidiot
Apr 23, 2014

Stupid Grognard
Battlefront have put out their road map for 2020 releases

https://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=6844

Basically: Plastic Daimlers, Dingos and Crusader AAs for British in Normandy

IV/70s, hetzers, ba-64s and SU-76s for Bagration.

For Team yankee, the brits get the lions share of releases with Foxes, Challengers and Warriors. Amis get Bradleys, Apaches and M1A1s (pretty sure that’s just a re release as their M1AQ1 120 mmp is already on the spire). EDIT: NATO also gets plastic M109s (already in army books - but now in plastic!) and the Brits and Amis get MLRSs.

Soviets get their T-80s, BMP3, Tunguska, TOS-1.

There’s also a Team yankee starter set being teased which is US vs Soviets.
Surprised there’s no Plastic Sextons for Normandy Brits.

tomdidiot fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Dec 19, 2019

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JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Well, at least the models look nice

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