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https://mobile.twitter.com/KidadaEWilliams/status/1206890027881385984 https://mobile.twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1206929905709199360
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Dec 17, 2019 18:26
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So, after reading Lindelof's interview in Rolling Stone, even in his original plan for the ending the theme for the show is "absolute power just has to rest in the hands of the right person." I'm not sure what his reading of the original book is, but he seems to have taken bizarre things from it. I don't understand using the Watchmen IP to tell a story of inept one-dimensional bad guys vs. morally correct super cops. At the end of the Hooded Justice episode I assumed him killing everyone in that warehouse was supposed to be kind of hosed up, but I guess it was supposed to be just badass? And why does he tell Angela that you have to remove your mask to heal, when he removed his a long time ago and seems to be the exact same guy? I also don't like that they give Veidt, out of all the characters in the original, some sort of redemption/chance to really save the day this time, unambiguously. He doesn't even kill anyone with his plan, just some unimportant extras. Laurie gets nothing and still seems miserable, Nite Owl is completely ignored and Rorschach is only remembered for his worst traits.
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Dec 17, 2019 18:34
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Guy A. Person posted:I mean it's still half of season 1's finale numbers, which doesn't seem bad. Obviously GoT became a cultural phenomenon in later seasons and will be near impossible to replicate on purpose, but it seemed to start out popular as well. Watchmen doesn’t have titties, endless sex scenes, dragons, and ultra violence. It does have a black female protagonist and visible penises. The only sex in the show is gay men loving.
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Dec 17, 2019 18:47
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:Watchmen doesn’t have titties, endless sex scenes, dragons, and ultra violence. Pretty sure that’s not the reason why the ratings were bad but go off
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Dec 17, 2019 18:51
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It had some pretty ultra violence
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Dec 17, 2019 18:52
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*Angela looks at the single egg left. Camera changes to a view from inside the kitchen cabinet. Inside is waffle mix and a can of delicious Campbell's Chunky Beef Stew. Angela's hand reaches into the cupboard, shaking. is it from fear? Is it from hunger? Is it from excitement knowing the Campbell's Chunky Beef Stew is within her reach? We never know because the camera cuts to black.* Overall I liked the show but I'll agree that after Manhattan gets revealed the show stumbles a fair bit. I feel like with the few times that multiple characters say that Manhattan could've done more, I think the show really could've explored that. That because God used to be a white guy he doesn't recognize racial injustice, not even out of malice but just pure indifference/ignorance, and how someone who grew up as a minority would handle being God differently.
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Dec 17, 2019 18:53
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i like the thesis of “absolute power corrupts absolutely, unless you are an oppressed minority”
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Dec 17, 2019 18:56
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/KidadaEWilliams/status/1206890027881385984 at the very least the show pushed this atrocity back into the light.
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Dec 17, 2019 18:57
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Definitely interesting looking back on the season and realizing that Night Owl was completely absent. Was there some sort of blink and you miss it reference to what he's up to? Is he supposed to be dead?
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Dec 17, 2019 19:00
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Basebf555 posted:Definitely interesting looking back on the season and realizing that Night Owl was completely absent. Was there some sort of blink and you miss it reference to what he's up to? Is he supposed to be dead? Keene tells Laurie he could pardon him if he becomes president.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:01
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Basebf555 posted:Definitely interesting looking back on the season and realizing that Night Owl was completely absent. Was there some sort of blink and you miss it reference to what he's up to? Is he supposed to be dead? Senator Oklahoma says something about "getting her owl out of a cage" as enticement for her heading to Tulsa. So, it's implied he's currently imprisoned.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:01
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Basebf555 posted:Definitely interesting looking back on the season and realizing that Night Owl was completely absent. Was there some sort of blink and you miss it reference to what he's up to? Is he supposed to be dead? He's in prison, Keene references it and Peteypedia explains him and Silk Spectre were caught being vigilantes, he went to prison and she goes to the FBI.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:01
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Mullitt posted:He's in prison, Keene references it and Peteypedia explains him and Silk Spectre were caught being vigilantes, he went to prison and she goes to the FBI. That also reveals that the OKC bombing didn’t happen in the Watchmen universe, because Laurie killed the poo poo out of McVeigh.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:03
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My uncle works for hbo and told me all the non-cis white male writers actually didnt write the show and were held hostage in the writers room while Lindelof and Tom Perrotta smoked cigars and let a "Centrist Lib Woke Bot 2.0 AI" write the show this the word allegedly from the street dont question this or your a toxic lindeloff doodoo head Anyways, rewatched finale. Its ok. Like I said before, satisfying plot wise but thematically kinda dropped the ball for what it had set up.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:08
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Pretty sure that’s not the reason why the ratings were bad but go off The ratings were not bad, they were on par with another HBO drama prestige show, Big Little Lies (which has an all-star cast). That’s really good! And the finale had higher ratings than the premiere, which is also really good- people stuck with the show and even recruited new viewers through word-of-mouth. Watchmen is a critical darling, which is also good for HBO. That usually leads to lots of awards, which drives the ability to recruit top talent for projects. Game of Thrones was a perfect storm, it had lots of bloody violence, sex, and nudity, in a fantasy setting. Action Movies always draw better than serious dramas. Watchmen was a thoughtful serious drama in a hard sci-fi setting. No one has super powers, with one exception, and he doesn’t use them in a typical way. There is no Batman or Iron Man to root for. There are no action scenes with capes fighting. And there is lots of weird poo poo, like raining squid. The show looks hard at America’s history of racism, another turnoff for casual viewers. Game of Thrones is ‘Avengers: Endgame’. Watchmen is ‘Phantom Thread’. The two have very different performance expectations. Watchmen is excelling in its category. (You can skip the buh buh buh if it was really popular it would be really objectively popular like Big Bang Theory response since that is not how Television executives think.)
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Dec 17, 2019 19:10
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scary ghost dog posted:i like the thesis of “absolute power corrupts absolutely, unless you are an oppressed minority” "But if you are oppressed and choose to pursue power you're already corrupt"
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Dec 17, 2019 19:15
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Who you gonna believe a guy with the straight dope right off the grapevine or Variety magazinequote:The big question now: Will Watchmen return for another season? HBO isn’t saying anything about future cycles of the show, with a network rep declining to comment on the series’ fate. Based on the ratings, however, there’s little doubt the network would love to bring it back. Though the show’s same-day linear numbers don’t qualify it as any sort of blockbuster, they’re solid enough for a new premium cable drama in 2019. The show’s ratings growth in-season and strong word-of-mouth, combined with impressive digital viewership, are all reasons to think HBO brass is eager to do more. (What’s more, HBO owners AT&T would no doubt love to have a buzzy critical darling such as Watchmen as part of the company’s upcoming HBO Max streaming service.)
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Dec 17, 2019 19:16
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zoux posted:Who you gonna believe a guy with the straight dope right off the grapevine or Variety magazine This show is a weird case where I'm equally happy if it's one-and-done, or if they renew it for a second season down the line.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:18
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I think the worst thing they could do is do a second season that continues plot and uses the characters from the first. Either do an anthology type deal or stick with one season. Or Watchmen Babies: The Series
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Dec 17, 2019 19:22
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Ugly In The Morning posted:This show is a weird case where I'm equally happy if it's one-and-done, or if they renew it for a second season down the line. Same. This definitely falls into the “do it right or not at all” sector. Please no Baby Yodas.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:25
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I think the second season should continue the Manhangela plot and have her go on an apocalyptic murder & brainwashing spree to end racism so that I can watch the thread rip itself apart over whether or not her totalitarian barbarism is justified.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:25
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I hope they just give it a lot of time. It took them 2 years to write and shoot season 1 so season 2 if it is done should take just as long IMO. And as much as I like Lindelof, Id honestly like to see him not return as showrunner and only serve as a consulting producer. I think theres a ton of potential in having future seasons serve as a semi-anthology vehicle for writers to view and expand on Watchmen through a very specific lens/interpretation. I.E. setting a Watchmen-esque story in a southern border town and creating some kind of analogue for the current immigration crisis while also adressing the long and horrible relationship the West/U.S. has had with the indigenous cultures of the Americas.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:29
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, that film is loving horrible disgrace. i do think it should be shown in history classes though to show how awful people were (well more awful than now in someways.) That’s where I saw it. You can be told in advance that it is really racist but nothing prepares you for seeing it with your own eyes. No matter how much you think you are prepared to see it, you really aren’t. (Like Dr Manhattans blue enormo-hog)
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Dec 17, 2019 19:29
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lol, this was probably the boringest, blandest end to this dumb and awkward show. The good cops defeat and arrest the bad guys and everyone go home to be sad about the big blue pedo war criminal being dead. Also the goodest cop gets to be God, roflmao. Though I gotta hand it to them, at least it wasn't time travel poo poo.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:32
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Season 1 would be a strange jumping off point for an anthology series since it's basically a repeat/remix of the comic with a lot of the same characters. I'm not sure what else would be worth exploring in the world they've presented, since everyone important seems to be related to eachother and/or dead.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:32
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Season 2 should be a completely new story where it's revealed at some point that the show is now taking place in the universe of the movie, not the comic.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:34
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If Dr. Manhattan's line about the relationship ending in tragedy is a reference to Angela ending up inheriting his powers that could sorta kinda make sense but this is highly unlikely.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:34
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They should just skip season 2 and go straight into season 3.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:35
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me before watching this show: a watchmen spinoff is wholly unnecessary me after watching the show: hey i was right
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Dec 17, 2019 19:36
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Well that was a big dumb (but entertaining) ending. Trieu just let’s Angela hang out by the cage while all of her assistants gently caress off, squid rain that can punch holes through a hand but Angela can put a box over her head and run a block and be fine (remember Veidt saying everything within 5 blocks will be destroyed), Looking Glass and Laurie do nothing for most of the show, “guys guys the FBI will totally go after the president...wink”, the cop with clear unresolved anger issues becoming Dr M and the show treating that like a good thing, etc. How did we get from the Leftovers (one of my favorite shows) to this? Forgot the inscrutable oriental character who is smart because of her genius white father.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:37
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Raxivace posted:They should just skip season 2 and go straight into season 3. Genius. I have every faith that Watchmen season 2 will go about as well as True Detective season 2. When you have a show with a high degree of difficulty and you pull it off, quit while you're ahead.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:39
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Mullitt posted:Season 1 would be a strange jumping off point for an anthology series since it's basically a repeat/remix of the comic with a lot of the same characters. I'm not sure what else would be worth exploring in the world they've presented, since everyone important seems to be related to eachother and/or dead. Yeah, really the only thing is Night Owl from the original comic, and you could potentially explore police departments and 7th Kalvary groups elsewhere in the country, since there could be some interesting stuff going on there. But since S1 already included Laurie, Veidt, Doc, Hooded Justice and already showed a bunch of the elements I mentioned (which themselves were heavily tied into the original comic like the 7K with Rorschach), it would be pretty underwhelming to focus just the scattered handful of elements that were left out. They could potentially double back and base a season around some of the in-between stuff like Laurie and Dan's foiling of the Oklahoma City bombing or the Long Night, while expanded outward during those, I guess.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:41
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zoux posted:I have every faith that Watchmen season 2 will go about as well as True Detective season 2. When you have a show with a high degree of difficulty and you pull it off, quit while you're ahead. Yeah this is the most likely outcome. But these are TV execs and theyll ride this high until ratings and critical good will tank.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:43
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Was treiu's mom really smart too? The clone was working on a dissertation but I thought the original was a cleaning lady or something
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Dec 17, 2019 19:44
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It's funny looking back on the season how little of that Veidt stuff even mattered in the end. How would the season have been any different if he just wasn't involved at all(maybe Looking Glass sees the video but that's it) until the last episode reveal that Trieu had him locked up the whole time?
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Dec 17, 2019 19:45
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Basebf555 posted:It's funny looking back on the season how little of that Veidt stuff even mattered in the end. How would the season have been any different if he just wasn't involved at all(maybe Looking Glass sees the video but that's it) until the last episode reveal that Trieu had him locked up the whole time? It would be less fun because you wouldn't have Jeremy Irons hamming it up and loving with a bunch of weird clones
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Dec 17, 2019 19:48
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Early in the season they talk about Russia getting their own portal tech and its brushed off by the senator. Treiu could have injected some hero dna into her mom clone, 7C isnt all destroyed just that current leadership, if Russia thinks there's no Dr. M to "come back" and save the USA they might respark the cold war. You could get into how Veidt might be needed to save the world again while in prison. It seems like there's enough in the world to continue good stories in it.
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Dec 17, 2019 19:50
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just another posted:I think the second season should continue the Manhangela plot and have her go on an apocalyptic murder & brainwashing spree to end racism so that I can watch the thread rip itself apart over whether or not her totalitarian barbarism is justified. Now that's a Game of Thrones deja vu right there
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Was treiu's mom really smart too? The clone was working on a dissertation but I thought the original was a cleaning lady or something The show argues that only Men beget intelligence, alas and smh.
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