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Chomp8645 posted:*Is a Relic developer* I mean poo poo the first few missions from the russian campaign of the original call of duty were straight enemy at the gates ripoffs, complete with stokas divebombing troop boats on the volga and dastardly commissars machinegunning anyone who retreats. Fun missions imo tho E: of course the call of duty united offensive russian missions were better done in every sense
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OctaviusBeaver posted:The Soviet IS-2 is arguably the best heavy tank in the game in the current meta. I don't think any faction has a clear late game advantage at this point. I'd actually venture to say that the Soviets maaaay be the the strongest late game faction at the moment by a slight margin, benefitting from the changes to heavy tanks (which benefitted the IS-2 for instance), the 7th man upgrade for conscript squads and just the sheer survivability of their 6-man infantry squads and weapon teams allowing the Soviets to tank alot more damage than most other factions from indirect fire and tanks in the late game without suffering as many unit wipes. I haven't gotten to play alot myself the past two months or so though, so some of these impressions are based on watching the world tournament games and the occasional replay on youtube. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Dec 9, 2019 |
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Eimi posted:I enjoyed both 40k games. The second warhammer game was a bit janky since it included a lot of CoH2 which doesn't always make sense for 40k, but I like that there was no base building. Doesn't excuse CoH2's story mode but, the gameplay is separate from that. I honestly never tried the second one for reasons I don't remember, I think they removed some of the features I really liked so I just figured it would be crap
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RabidWeasel posted:I honestly never tried the second one for reasons I don't remember, I think they removed some of the features I really liked so I just figured it would be crap The first has a better scale, the second is really micro intensive but manages to really make some races feel different. Your squad of three space marines feels way different from your 15 strong guardsman squad.
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I liked the first Dawn of War. It felt like a tabletop game. But these days, if I'm RTS'ing, I'm playing Age of Empires DE or Wargame Red Dragon.
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I stick to Total War just because in single player at least you can pause and issue commands there so it's not as fast paced or micro intensive.
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I keep trying to get into Total War games, but I can't. The last one I enjoyed was Medieval 2. Since then, they just make me want to play a Paradox game. Particularly since I don't care much for the tactical battles.
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I think the problem with the TW war games is that there are too many battles, they are too similar to each other and they don't have enough impact. The cost of upkeep for a unit is so high compared to the cost of recruiting a new one that destroying an army has almost no effect if you don't follow up with it by the next turn because they can use the money they save in upkeep to build a new army in the span of a few turns. So you end up fighting clone armies again and again and again and it never seems to mean anything. Recruitment costs should be higher, upkeep should be lower and cavalry should be rarer and more expensive in general. Losing an entire army should be a major loss and not a speed bump.
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The too many battles is def a problem even in Total Warhammer but the spectacle of blotting out the sky with dragons or playing rats that are fighting WW1 against medieval humans overcomes that for me.
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Eimi posted:The first has a better scale, the second is really micro intensive but manages to really make some races feel different. Your squad of three space marines feels way different from your 15 strong guardsman squad. Yeah that sounds awful, excessive micro is the thing that keeps me away from the RTS genre (I know that's kind of one of the defining factors but still)
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Eimi posted:The too many battles is def a problem even in Total Warhammer but the spectacle of blotting out the sky with dragons or playing rats that are fighting WW1 against medieval humans overcomes that for me.
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Combining CoH and Paradox in my expert opinion as an rear end in a top hat as the internet, I'm glad that people mostly play MP and that the devs haven't doubled down on their Literal Göbbels portrayal of the Soviet Union, but it still raises an important thing to talk about in historical strategy games. Like, devs and players should ask questions like "why do I want a game about this?" and "what sources do I use in my historically-based video games?" and "what is my bias here?" and "will people treat this as actual historical fact and use it to inform their worldview?" The last absolutely happens with PDX games. It shouldn't of course, but it isn't going to stop any time soon. So I'd rather the issue of "would nazis love this" be a front-and-centre question in PDX's mind and I'm glad they're getting way better than the old days of "invent machine guns to cure the scourge of natives." But modern biases and nonsense still show up. Take national ideas: Like the video says, generally when soldiers from some countries charge into a machine gun to achieve a greater objective, it's heroism and discipline and sacrifice, but when those from others do it it's dogmatism and fanaticism and an oppressive state. Like, the whole "become Prussia to have the bestest soldiers" is Literal Göbbels and while I'm not a german it seems kinda offensive both to actual brandenbugers/prussians/germans and to everyone else? There's not some inherent quality of brandenburgers that makes them want to charge into machine guns and goose step and be An Army With a State and all that, it's literally feeding a nazi propaganda version of history. The same thing happens with other countries too: like how 1444 Valois gendarmes apparently just have inherent élan that just wouldn't be discovered until Napoleon came around.
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RabidWeasel posted:Yeah that sounds awful, excessive micro is the thing that keeps me away from the RTS genre (I know that's kind of one of the defining factors but still) I've been playing a lot of Northgard recently. It's a more chill take on RTS where the focus is on economy rather than unit micro.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:I've been playing a lot of Northgard recently. It's a more chill take on RTS where the focus is on economy rather than unit micro. Playing free-for-all matches of Northgard where everyone is in the same voice comms together is some good gaming.
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RabidWeasel posted:Yeah that sounds awful, excessive micro is the thing that keeps me away from the RTS genre (I know that's kind of one of the defining factors but still) It also completely lacks base building, and you only have hero units. It's a real-time tactics game, rather than RTS.
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RabidWeasel posted:Yeah that sounds awful, excessive micro is the thing that keeps me away from the RTS genre (I know that's kind of one of the defining factors but still) The best way to play DoW 2 was co op with a good friend because that way the micro didn't become overwhelming. I wish more RTS games let me play through in co-op, two players playing one nation in HoI is also fun in the same way.
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Don Gato posted:The best way to play DoW 2 was co op with a good friend because that way the micro didn't become overwhelming. I wish more RTS games let me play through in co-op, two players playing one nation in HoI is also fun in the same way. Agreedo 100% on co op being awesome in both of these games and yeah it would be real cool if more strategy games had it as well.
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Eimi posted:The most egregious thing is there's a mission as the Soviets where you have to burn down houses with Soviet civilians inside. And then it ends with you burning a field of your own soldiers. It's entirely nonsensical and something that did not happen in reality. Well it did happen except it was perpetrated by the Germans
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I'm not Russian even though it's my native language so maybe I can't feel the shame, but that campaign was indeed more like trying to tell a story you're not equipped to tell. Russians are pretty used to be portrayed as villains but usually, those are cool villains, not disgusting ones. Plus it would have worked much better if it wasn't the second game in the series. In the first game and expansions, everyone was a hero of Sabaton song, it didn't even go to Saving Private Ryan level of self-consciousness (that movie at least had a moment of American soldier executing Czech PoW). Even when you played German campaign those were all honorable men fighting for the fatherland ignoring all the politics and policies. Then turns out CoH world has some bad people after all, and they're all Soviets. Later you got expansions for CoH2 and it back to Western Front where everybody is locked in a tragic but necessary struggle with heroes on both sides. So even with that video of a BadComedian condemning the game (BTW the guy is huge in Russian movie internet culture, probably bigger than RedLetterMedia, you might have even seen him in some movies like Hardcore Henry) a lot of people would still play it. We all probably complain about DRM or even Paradox DLC policy/new launcher shenanigans/questionable QA, doesn't stop us from buying those games. ilitarist fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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Also while we're on RTS wave have you heard about this new game Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition? Has a lot of campaign and factions, and looks nice. And they say that genre is stagnant!
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I find it weird that people are complaining about DOW2 micro when you could literally only ever have 4 units in single player and there is nothing else in the gameplay for you to do but manage those 4 units. There is no micro at all in that game.
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Alchenar posted:I find it weird that people are complaining about DOW2 micro when you could literally only ever have 4 units in single player and there is nothing else in the gameplay for you to do but manage those 4 units. There is no micro at all in that game. The micro was give Cyrus all the best upgrades and watch him solo entire armies. Also some people had trouble with the 4 units having unique abilities that required microing and that's where co-op came in.
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DOW2 campaign only has micro and depending on builds, it can have lots of it. What it doesn't have is macro.
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Alchenar posted:I find it weird that people are complaining about DOW2 micro when you could literally only ever have 4 units in single player and there is nothing else in the gameplay for you to do but manage those 4 units. There is no micro at all in that game. They brought back buildable units in the expansions.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:I've been playing a lot of Northgard recently. It's a more chill take on RTS where the focus is on economy rather than unit micro. its a fun game and with a largely chill community but once u get to the higher levels you definitely need a lot of unit micro to win, and every victory but domination becomes impossible outside of specific game setups
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Like, the whole "become Prussia to have the bestest soldiers" is Literal Göbbels and while I'm not a german it seems kinda offensive both to actual brandenbugers/prussians/germans and to everyone else? There's not some inherent quality of brandenburgers that makes them want to charge into machine guns and goose step and be An Army With a State and all that, it's literally feeding a nazi propaganda version of history. The same thing happens with other countries too: like how 1444 Valois gendarmes apparently just have inherent élan that just wouldn't be discovered until Napoleon came around.
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ilitarist posted:Also while we're on RTS wave have you heard about this new game Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition? Has a lot of campaign and factions, and looks nice. And they say that genre is stagnant! It's hardly new, the original came out 20 years ago, and this is the second time it's had an updated re-release. The gameplay is peak 90s RTS, the campaigns are kind of a slog and from what I've seen recently the multiplayer strategies make Starcraft seem sane. I'm talking a solid 20-30 minutes of doing nothing but building your economy and fending off early tech raids, until you get to castles and spam huge amounts of your civ's unique unit and siege weapons. Still fun if you're into that kind of thing though. Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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Bloody Pom posted:The gameplay is peak 90s RTS, the campaigns are kind of a slog and from what I've seen recently the multiplayer strategies make Starcraft seem sane. I'm talking a solid 20-30 minutes of doing nothing but building your economy and fending off early tech raids, until you get to castles and spam huge amounts of your civ's unique unit and siege weapons. It's true that the economy build up takes a lot longer than in say Starcraft, and that results it really long games, but that ultra defensive UU-heavy play style is mostly a low skill player on specific maps kinda thing (never play Black Forest). The competitive side of multiplayer is full of short games and weird gambits, I find it way more enjoyable than say Starcraft to watch. The complexity of the economy and non fixed resource locations make it far less repetitive too.
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PittTheElder posted:It's true that the economy build up takes a lot longer than in say Starcraft, and that results it really long games, but that ultra defensive UU-heavy play style is mostly a low skill player on specific maps kinda thing (never play Black Forest). Can you link a couple good videos? You have me interested.
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Senior Dog posted:Can you link a couple good videos? You have me interested. Not a specific video sorry, but this guy posts a lot of aoe2 content, both quick matches as said above, but also longer ones (and in different formats). I don't know enough to recommend a specific video as "good pro play" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZUT79WUUpZlZ-XMF7l4CFg/videos
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Not a specific video sorry, but this guy posts a lot of aoe2 content, both quick matches as said above, but also longer ones (and in different formats). I don't know enough to recommend a specific video as "good pro play" thanks!
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Senior Dog posted:Can you link a couple good videos? You have me interested. T90 as linked has a lot of content, though a lot of it is community players playing strange gimmick maps like Forest Nothing (a map with 100% trees less the starting town centres). His casts of competitive players are good though, his Hidden Cup 2 tournament from a couple months ago was solid. I maintain the guy to watch is TheViper, he's probably the best player in the entire world and reasonably humorous to boot. Here's a video where he's playing an absolute gimmick (admittedly against a much lower rated player). The new edition added a bunch of new civs and there's lot of not super balanced stuff, so people are playing a lot of non-optimal stuff for fun. But if you don't know anything about AoE2 it might not stand out the same way. Here's a video of him playing with a couple other professional level players, where they run an all-in early rush. Here's a properly competitive best of 7 which takes four god damned hours. I have not watched it. He also has played through the campaigns if you remember them from back in the day. Extra amusing because he's good at forgetting what his heros are doing and getting them killed. If you played the game as a kid, I highly recommend you give the William Wallace Ultra Hardcore campaign a watch. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Hera is another good player with informative videos in youtube.
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Anyone remember Blood in the Bosphorus? That Byzantine mega-campaign let's play from, like, a million years ago? anyway it's back 
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Empress Theonora posted:Anyone remember Blood in the Bosphorus? That Byzantine mega-campaign let's play from, like, a million years ago? gently caress. Yes.
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Empress Theonora posted:Anyone remember Blood in the Bosphorus? That Byzantine mega-campaign let's play from, like, a million years ago? 
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I don't even remember that at all, are the first bits on the LP archive?
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Pharnakes posted:I don't even remember that at all, are the first bits on the LP archive? The first thread is in the SA archives. The last gameplay post in that thread was in 2015.
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