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drunkill posted:It isn't the most eyerollingly bad thing in the movie, but it is pretty standard superhero fighting fare, just plain boring. So it's 'member OT? I member' the movie, as people are saying. Ehat would you say is the worst moment, and if you absolutely had to grade it, what's your judgement? Just curious hearing from the regular crowd lol, the reviews are all over.
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euphronius posted:One will def be a Mando film by Favreau Yeah, they're announcing the next one in January. That's most definitely it.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Luminara I think was in the first Griveous appearance fight in the Clone Wars cartoon I think she gets killed in a Revenge of the Sith deleted scene? That was Shaak Ti who was the same race as Ashoka.
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Taintrunner posted:Except you've forgotten one very key part of the equation here: Anakin is just a fun side project though. His plans dont hinge on him turning at all. He has absolute power and the Jedi will look like traitorous scum either way. He just rolls with everything that comes his way. Anakin and palpatine don’t become close until the time between II and III in any case. CODChimera posted:Yeah but the funny part was the Droid and worms. Anyone could've done it by that point and why the worms and not a bomb?
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Taintrunner posted:Wrong. This is the official explanation of Anakin's birth: https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2018/12/20/star-wars-comic-anakin-father/ nah this is definitely not real
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I love that a movie titled "The Rise of Skywalker" involves the entire Skywalker bloodline being exterminated root and stem, and the heir of their greatest enemy stealing the name.
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Wild Horses posted:Anakin is just a fun side project though. His plans dont hinge on him turning at all. He has absolute power and the Jedi will look like traitorous scum either way. He just rolls with everything that comes his way. Except it does. How the gently caress else is he going eliminate the survivors of Order 66? Vader's main role after the overthrow is going around hunting down and killing Jedi so they can't turn around and find a way overthrow Palpy. He clearly isn't a side project either because he literally dark sided him into existence. kidkissinger posted:nah this is definitely not real  
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Taintrunner posted:Wrong. This is the official explanation of Anakin's birth: https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2018/12/20/star-wars-comic-anakin-father/ Oh I’m sorry, I thought we were interpreting the prequels as films, not reimagining their themes and basic plot in light of some dumbass comic book made thirteen years after the fact
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Zoran posted:Oh I’m sorry, I thought we were interpreting the prequels as films, not reimagining their themes and basic plot in light of some dumbass comic book made thirteen years after the fact idk, he says it's not fan-fiction so legally we are required to accept that it isn't fan fiction
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Zoran posted:Oh I’m sorry, I thought we were interpreting the prequels as films, not reimagining their themes and basic plot in light of some dumbass comic book made thirteen years after the fact The fact of the matter is that to actually have some idea what is going on with the Sequel Trilogy requires reading external media, so this is 100% defacto a part of the story. Sorry, but rules are rules! This is The Story. This is Canon. If you're going to pick and choose what is and isn't, then neither Episode 1-3 or 7-9 are canon. I'm simply playing by the rules provided by the owners of the intellectual property as endorsed by George Lucas, who sold it to them.
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:Scott Mendelson is such a tool at times. What adult fans is he talking about here? These imaginary quasi fascist boomers who buy starwars toys? Um, but the idea that the Skywalkers are direct descendents of the Palpatines is pretty heavily implied in the prequels. I mean it's stupid, but....the Skywalkers being related to Palpatine makes a lot of sense.
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So I just got back from a midnight screening in AUS, which is on fire. Much like this movie. There's a scene that I feel is a direct and completely unintended reference to The Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy: Rebels, either you let us arrest you, and beat you up a little - though not too much, because we are opposed to senseless violence - or we blow up this entire planet! Bang-Bang: And also, one or two others we saw on the way in! (the two nods triumphantly at one another)[ Because they blow up a random planet the rebel's were on for all of 10 minutes and had no reference too otherwise. The whole movie does this- bring up random plot threads or characters, and then throw them away or do nothing with 10 minutes later! Random plot threads the movie doesn't need or DOES need because Ryan Johnston! Noooooooooooooo. You manic JJ. You blew it up, You blew it up all to hell. eg:: Why did the 2nd Death Star even exist if her had a fleet of A 1000 planet destroyers already?!?! The YouTube reviewers are going to rip this movie apart. It's not as bad as The Last Jedi or the prequels...but it's bad for different reasons. Everything is so rushed, and it didn't have to be.
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Taintrunner posted:Except it does. How the gently caress else is he going eliminate the survivors of Order 66? Vader's main role after the overthrow is going around hunting down and killing Jedi so they can't turn around and find a way overthrow Palpy. Maybe by using the clone troopers that were able to kill most of the jedi in the first place? Taintrunner posted:The fact of the matter is that to actually have some idea what is going on with the Sequel Trilogy requires reading external media, so this is 100% defacto a part of the story. This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
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He could have used maul or grievous or created a new dude if anakin didn’t come around.
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kidkissinger posted:idk, he says it's not fan-fiction so legally we are required to accept that it isn't fan fiction It's literally an officially licensed product made by the same studio with the explicit intent of buttressing the main story being told in the movies. Sorry that the entire expanded universe thing is slapdash and requires reading a bunch of tie-in material just to juice Disney's stock value but the fact of the matter is that Palpatine created the Skywalkers. They might walk that back or paper over it one day but that's the story as it stands and it affects the interpretation of whatever bullshit they put in the movies.
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Wild Horses posted:Anakin is just a fun side project though. His plans dont hinge on him turning at all. He has absolute power and the Jedi will look like traitorous scum either way. He just rolls with everything that comes his way. It is still pretty dumb that Obi jumps out the window after the droid and not Anakin.
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Captain Jesus posted:Maybe by using the clone troopers that were able to kill most of the jedi in the first place? Understanding what the gently caress is going on in the Sequel Trilogy requires reading a significant amount of outside material. This is by design. To throw your hands in the air and go "nuh-uh!" is refusing to engage with the media on its own terms. ROTS came out after this critical piece of the story, and by the rules of the people who made these movies - it counts. Sorry! Mat Cauthon posted:It's literally an officially licensed product made by the same studio with the explicit intent of buttressing the main story being told in the movies. Precisely. Thank you.
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riseofmydick posted:Um, but the idea that the Skywalkers are direct descendents of the Palpatines is pretty heavily implied in the prequels. George cut that out from Episode 3 where it was intended to be revealed. Pre disney all the expanded universe had varying degrees of Canoninity. Wookiepedia used to have a whole segment dedicated to discussing canon, complete with various levels and all that. So I'll accept that it was definately entertained but never solidified. Even still, it's not relevant to this movie anyway since it can't even explain how Palpatine survived, or deal with the fact that sith don't have force ghosts per se since they give that up for power in their one life. Skywalker and Palpatine being related fades in importance since this is most likely a tone deaf statement about being able to pick your own family or somesuch crap. Yeah that might work somewhat given adoptions or so, but force sensitivity is an inherited trait. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Dec 18, 2019 |
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dex_sda posted:So it's 'member OT? I member' the movie, as people are saying. Ehat would you say is the worst moment, and if you absolutely had to grade it, what's your judgement? Bad CGI young(er) Leia. Like, much worse than RO which wasn't terrible in comparison. It is all of 3 seconds long but looks terrible. Carrie Fisher dying really hosed up a few third act plot points of this movie. Grading? C or C+. Too busy, remove 3 locations and 2-3 of the new characters who have no time to be fleshed out. The script needs a bit edit, even if they kept the same plotline, the dialog is pretty awful in sections. Episode 1 and TLJ are looking better in comparison, just in how they are structured, better pacing, even if TLJ has problems with pacing and structure. euphronius posted:The worms are an homage to Dune. Well they went all out with Dune references in this. Poe is revealed as a former Spice runner. (drug runner) working with a crew. He also avoids a sky sandworm while doing short hyperspace jumps, was shown in the trailer. And then they filmed in the desert where the new Dune move was filmed too... where he plays Duke Leto Atreides. drunkill fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Dec 18, 2019 |
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Taintrunner posted:Wrong. This is the official explanation of Anakin's birth: https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2018/12/20/star-wars-comic-anakin-father/ That thing is most definitely fan fiction, and even in the comic that scene is some kind of dream.
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spacetoaster posted:Why would he keep shooting lightning if his own lightning is killing him? Once you activate Force Lightning you have to wait until the ability finishes and goes on cooldown, moving does not cancel the channel.
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if lucas wasn't involved then it's not canon as far as i care, and one day i will be sent to the disney gulag for this belief
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Taintrunner posted:Understanding what the gently caress is going on in the Sequel Trilogy requires reading a significant amount of outside material. This is by design. To throw your hands in the air and go "nuh-uh!" is refusing to engage with the media on its own terms. ROTS came out after this critical piece of the story, and by the rules of the people who made these movies - it counts. Sorry! i'm not going to read anything in order to watch a movie. my interpretation is based on the films and the films alone. and my interpretation is correct. i don't care if the denny's placemat says something that contradicts my interpretation.
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drunkill posted:Bad CGI young(er) Leia. Like, much worse than RO which wasn't terrible in comparison. JJ Abrams presents: a C, Maybe C+.
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JJ abrams has always gone too fast. I don’t get it. He says after every movie too “yeah I went a bit too fast”
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Taintrunner posted:Wrong. This is the official explanation of Anakin's birth: https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2018/12/20/star-wars-comic-anakin-father/ that was a thing in the old canon too. it was just more implied than stated out right.
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Taintrunner posted:
Everything after the OT is fanfiction. Yes, that includes everything else written by Lucas.
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So is it true? All of it?
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Canon is an illusion. It's a marketing gimmick to trick you into thinking some fiction is somehow realer than others
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So if Palpatine is Anakin's dad are Rey and Kylo cousins? Sheesh.
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First cousins once removed
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Taintrunner posted:Except it does. How the gently caress else is he going eliminate the survivors of Order 66? Vader's main role after the overthrow is going around hunting down and killing Jedi so they can't turn around and find a way overthrow Palpy. It’s just a hobby my guy. Turning guys “on the fence” is recreational sith stuff. Anakin comes to him and he works him as a little “extra”. Of course when anakin starts looking promising he incorporates him to a larger extent, but in no way is Sheev’s plan “silly” or “convoluted”, which was your main argument. Sheev is confident he can’t fail and things will work out as intended
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Genuinely pleased that we were able to somehow reprise the jivjov debate before episode 9 after all. It's a JJ eve miracle
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No Mods No Masters posted:Genuinely pleased that we were able to somehow reprise the jivjov debate before episode 9 after all. It's a JJ eve miracle Ikr. We even had a placemat reference.
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Even if Sheev created Anakin, they probably have no genetic relationship. So it's fine, just like it'd be fine if C-3PO and Luke kissed.
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Mooey Cow posted:That thing is most definitely fan fiction, and even in the comic that scene is some kind of dream. It's fanfiction sure, but it's also established canon per Disney. Just like the trash monster in ANH being a powerful force user and rape survivor that only grabbed Luke to baptize him in the force and may have reincarnated into Rey after dying. That is also canon.
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