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I'm one of the few people I know who actually like the new movies. I honestly don't know what you would need to do in order to create a trilogy of sequels that live up to the originals, so I feel like no matter what happened the new movies were bound to piss off a lot of people.
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Who cares because as a Star Wars fan I can tell you that Star Wars fans are awful. I'm going to the movie tomorrow, I'm going to sit down, eat my popcorn and enjoy watching lightsabers and huge space ships fight and maybe Kylo and Rey make out and then I'm going to go home.
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Dec 18, 2019 17:43
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Seconding "Star Wars fans are terrible", as a Star Wars fan. I like the new movies, and I like the Mandalorian.  My main concern for the new movie is that I had originally read that the "Rise of Skywalker" was supposed to refer to Leia, but then they had to do a whole bunch of rewriting when Carrie Fischer died. I'll still probably enjoy it a lot Also I actually was underwhelmed by Fallen Order, but it's certainly not a bad game.
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Dec 18, 2019 17:46
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FrostyPox posted:Seconding "Star Wars fans are terrible", as a Star Wars fan. I like the new movies, and I like the Mandalorian. It’s a huge bummer about Fisher because I was excited for this to be her movie. I’m actually enjoying taking it slow in Fallen Order, I just 100% my second planet and plan on finishing all 4. Last the EU was 99% garbage and anyone who complains about it I can’t take their complaints about the movies seriously.
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Dec 18, 2019 17:53
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I'm something of a trash connoisseur so I enjoyed a lot of the terrible EU stuff, but rebooting the whole thing is both understandable and a good idea, so I don't have any complaints. Especially since the new stuff, so far, seems to be at the very least not completely terrible!
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Dec 18, 2019 17:56
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FrostyPox posted:I'm something of a trash connoisseur so I enjoyed a lot of the terrible EU stuff, but rebooting the whole thing is both understandable and a good idea, so I don't have any complaints. Especially since the new stuff, so far, seems to be at the very least not completely terrible! Sorry wasn’t calling you out specifically I just meant the people who want to yell about the EU being thrown out and then want to sit and bitch about the movies. Like whatever you like my man.
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Dec 18, 2019 17:58
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I'll happily admit that the only parts of the EU I cared about were KOTOR 1 and 2 and the second Disney acknowledges and reincorporates them, all will be forgiven.
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Dec 18, 2019 18:38
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Spergatory posted:I'll happily admit that the only parts of the EU I cared about were KOTOR 1 and 2 and the second Disney acknowledges and reincorporates them, all will be forgiven. They'd pull in SWTOR too which ruins KOTOR 1/2
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Dec 18, 2019 18:50
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hobbesmaster posted:They'd pull in SWTOR too which ruins KOTOR 1/2 I'm not up on TOR, how's it ruin them?
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Dec 18, 2019 18:52
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Owlbear Camus posted:I'm not up on TOR, how's it ruin them? It shits all over both Raven (eeeeevil) and The Exile
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Dec 18, 2019 18:57
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ImpAtom posted:It shits all over both Raven (eeeeevil) and The Exile Wasn't Revan a battery at one point with the Exile his Cortana?
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Dec 18, 2019 19:15
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Finished the game last night. Felt like the ending was a little abrupt and lackluster. The lack of a new game+ or any kind of teleporting abilities makes wanting to go back and uncover all the hidden goodies a little tiresome. I don't know how much more time I'll put into this, considering those facts. I'll gladly play another one but I hope it has more exploring and platforming rather than parry-based fighting, since I didn't prefer those aspects of the game.
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Dec 18, 2019 19:42
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Captain Hygiene posted:Back to the game for a second, I was extremely disappointed to find you can't skip cutscenes, I absolutely thought I remembered being able to do that after the intro section. That's just unacceptable for a modern game, I guess it apparently didn't bug me much the first time around since I was engaged by the story, but it kinda kills my interest in going back to do a quicker run any time in the near future. Much better to let you just go back to dabble in the gameplay and exploration while skipping all that. You 100% can. Hit a button and then you have to hold down whatever your heavy attack button is in the default control scheme.
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Dec 18, 2019 20:10
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Fuzz posted:You 100% can. Hit a button and then you have to hold down whatever your heavy attack button is in the default control scheme.  Ok I'm just going insane then. I could not get a "hold to skip" prompt to pop up for the life of me, and when I looked it up all I saw was a bunch of complaints that you couldn't skip stuff. Oh well, thanks.
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Dec 18, 2019 20:16
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I've never understood why TLJ is considered some egregious insult to star wars while TFA is considered "fine" by and large. TFA seems like a far more heartless use of the IP. You know, at least TLJ tries.
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Dec 18, 2019 22:31
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Spergatory posted:The complaints I'm seeing also run the gamut of "Abrams wanted to do episodes 8 and 9 so he just crammed his episode 8 into episode 9 and it shows and it suffers for it." They should've either given him the entire trilogy and let him make dumb popcorn fun, or followed through on the pivot of TLJ. Instead, they just pivoted again. Nobody likes a double pivot. "Run the gamut" refers to traversing an entire range. You can't use that phrase with a single point. Well, you can. You did. But it's jarring and nonsensical.
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Dec 18, 2019 22:53
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JBP posted:I've never understood why TLJ is considered some egregious insult to star wars while TFA is considered "fine" by and large. TFA seems like a far more heartless use of the IP. You know, at least TLJ tries. The Star Wars films are at core stories about an ensemble cast going on an adventure together, with the Jedi character having to step slightly aside from the others because of their SPECIAL DESTINY. TLJ does the SPECIAL DESTINY thing but then tries to pretend it isn't doing it (you can't try and tell the audience that Rey isn't special when she's the character the title of the film is secretly about), but then even worse and it's real crime is that the rest of the cast are scattered into a series of individual bitty plots that go nowhere. In Empire Han, Leia and Chewie spend the film achieving nothing other than running from the Empire, getting tortured by the Empire, then escaping from the Empire, but the film uses that time to develop the relationship between the characters while Luke is having his training montage. TLJ does nothing to move the relationship between the not-Rey characters forwards while having exactly the same functional plot.
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Dec 18, 2019 22:54
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Fuzz posted:You 100% can. Hit a button and then you have to hold down whatever your heavy attack button is in the default control scheme. Captain Hygiene posted:
Wait, I just tried everything again and still can't do it. Am I being punk'd? WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME FALLEN ORDER THREAD
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Dec 19, 2019 00:02
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I liked Merrin a lot. I liked the general story arc I liked the setpieces. I didn't like the combat or the lack of fast travel or ability to put markers on your map nor the fact that 90% of all loot is lovely cosmetics. 7/10
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Dec 19, 2019 01:11
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Rad Valtar posted:It’s a huge bummer about Fisher because I was excited for this to be her movie. Zeffo is going to have one section at 94% or something and you'll have all the secrets, chests, and memories. In order to fully clear that section of the map, you have to go to the one with a bunch of air vents and a temple like structure with an air vent that will shoot you up onto an ice slide that zips you into the incomplete map. There is pretty much no reason you'd go that way naturally and it took me forever to find the proper result on google, most of them just reference a hidden short cut that leads to a secret.
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Dec 19, 2019 01:23
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Bruceski posted:"Run the gamut" refers to traversing an entire range. You can't use that phrase with a single point. I meant from ImpAtom's point to mine. So from "it's too safe and pandering" to "there's way too much stuff in it."
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Dec 19, 2019 01:37
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I thought it was funny that they couldn't be arsed to animate the droid jumping into the chest when you're underwater but they left the chest shaking animation in
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Dec 19, 2019 02:27
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JBP posted:I've never understood why TLJ is considered some egregious insult to star wars while TFA is considered "fine" by and large. TFA seems like a far more heartless use of the IP. You know, at least TLJ tries. People seriously memory hole how bad most Star Wars movies are/were. Episode 1 had the most infamously terrible main character of any movie and was an absolute joke by everyone’s standards at the time; episode 2 was even worse with less than zero chemistry between the romantic leads and scenes on Naboo that are still unwatchably bad. I also distinctly remember all the die hard Star Wars fans who said the series was irreparably ruined by the Vader “Noooo” scene in episode 3. TLJ is the “worst” Star Wars by virtue of being the most recent one to come out. From what it sounds like Rise of Skywalker is a massive pander to the fans, so I think it’s safe to expect something inoffensive and by the numbers that takes zero risks.
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Dec 19, 2019 02:40
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I see some people on the internet saying that this is going to be THE END of Star Wars as a franchise and ruin its future potential forever Clearly none of them remember the original trilogy, which was considered pretty bad but very obviously did nothing to kill peoples' enthusiasm for Star Wars stuff
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Dec 19, 2019 02:44
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Star Wars as a setting, an aesthetic, and, perhaps most importantly, as a collection of storytelling tools, is evergreen. It's a fun playground for your mind to wander around in, and no amount of bad movies will change that. If anything, the bad movies just spur people on to imagine how it could've been cooler and better.
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Dec 19, 2019 02:55
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I'm not that interested in watching ROS but the last Mandalorian was good as hell.
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Spergatory posted:I meant from ImpAtom's point to mine. So from "it's too safe and pandering" to "there's way too much stuff in it." Ah.
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Dec 19, 2019 04:02
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Dillbag posted:I thought it was funny that they couldn't be arsed to animate the droid jumping into the chest when you're underwater but they left the chest shaking animation in Underwater diving felt like a literal last second addition to get some “”””additional value”””” in the game.
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Kibayasu posted:Underwater diving felt like a literal last second addition to get some “”””additional value”””” in the game. Cal needs to be able to go underwater for Ilum to make sense
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Spergatory posted:Star Wars as a setting, an aesthetic, and, perhaps most importantly, as a collection of storytelling tools, is evergreen. It's a fun playground for your mind to wander around in, and no amount of bad movies will change that. If anything, the bad movies just spur people on to imagine how it could've been cooler and better. This is what I keep trying to tell people about Star Wars. My first exposure to Star Wars was finding "Luke Skywalker" scrawled in Crayon on the underside of our coffee table by my older sister. We watched the movies anytime they were on TV. Later I realized they existed on VHS and I borrowed ESB from a family friend and watched it countless times. I'd wrap myself up in this big brown beach towel and pretend to be Obi-Wan. When we went to Food Lion, I'd sit underneath the cart and pretend I was Luke manning the gun of the Falcon in A New Hope. I'd draw Death Stars and X Wings in my notebooks. Were the original movies great? Probably not -- it's been a while since I've actually sat and watched them. Star Wars, to me, is the aesthetic and the universe with all the creatures and planets and "what ifs". The movies should be fun and expand those thoughts and provide us with more interactions to imagine how these characters get along.
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JBP posted:I've never understood why TLJ is considered some egregious insult to star wars while TFA is considered "fine" by and large. TFA seems like a far more heartless use of the IP. You know, at least TLJ tries. Because TLJ is, structurally, a very bad and sloppy movie. Say whatever you want about TFA, it has a clear through line and the movie’s acts all make sense and contribute to the storyline. All of the major plot points from TLJ basically don’t matter or are generated by the characters behaving incredibly stupidly, and the casino planet scene is like 40 minutes of runtime that leads to absolutely nothing. Poe being at odds with the rebel captains adds such a bizarre level of strain on the film with no payoff, and Rey/Ren’s relationship sequences feel like they written for a different movie. The problem is that it’s impossible to criticize TLJ without nerds claiming that you just hate minorities or women or whatever, there are two distinct camps of people who hated TLJ. The people who hated it because it has a blue-haired lady, and the people who hate it because it’s just extremely badly written, shits all over TFA for no reason, and basically doesn’t further the plot that TFA started at all.
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Bust Rodd posted:Because TLJ is, structurally, a very bad and sloppy movie. Say whatever you want about TFA, it has a clear through line and the movie’s acts all make sense and contribute to the storyline. TFA was far more poorly written than TLJ and the best thing it did was to tell TFA to gently caress off. TLJ is far more thematically coherent especially in modern times when plots about angry self entitled dudes assume they know better than women because they are men (I.e most of TLJ) resonate more than "what if Star Wars but again" The reason why the misogyny so often gets intertwine with hatred of TLJ is because it is so often the root. It gets dinged for flaws all Star Wars have not because they are movie ruining flaws but because they provide an excuse. That isn't to say everyone who dislikes TLJ is that way but any online conversation brings them out.
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It’s been a while since I saw TFA but I don’t remember the writing in it being bad as much as it just being as transparently a remake of ANH as possible. I was disappointed to see the same story again, but at least it’s a story that makes sense. TLJ feels like 160 minutes of “what? Why are you doing that?”
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Dec 19, 2019 15:51
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ZentraediElite posted:This is what I keep trying to tell people about Star Wars. A new hope and empire are fantastic films on their own merits. Jedi can’t stand alone but is a fine film.
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Dec 19, 2019 16:01
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Yeah I really don’t understand the “original movies were bad” Ewoks were bad. Everything else was pretty much good.
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Dec 19, 2019 16:36
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ImpAtom posted:TFA was far more poorly written than TLJ and the best thing it did was to tell TFA to gently caress off. TLJ is far more thematically coherent especially in modern times when plots about angry self entitled dudes assume they know better than women because they are men (I.e most of TLJ) resonate more than "what if Star Wars but again" The problem with the new movies, though, is that in their attempt to make Rey a strong and powerful female protagonist, they also made her utterly pure of heart and infallible. In TFA she is a crack pilot despite having never flown before, doesn't actually need anyone's help to escape the First Order (which would have been fine and great on its own, but combined with everything else just made her even more ridiculous), and totally kicks the rear end of a dude who has been living and breathing using a lightsaber since he was a child. In TLJ this theme continues with her showing Luke how he's being a silly lump, trying to endear/turn Kylo around to the point where he seizes power to try to rule with her, and dives down into a dark side cave to... look at a mirror or something, it wasn't much of a fail. Top it all off with her saving the day at the end. I guess she kinda fails when she cuts a rock in half? That's the closest she comes to not being perfect. She has Superman/Jesus syndrome - she's inordinately powerful to the point of it being pretty ridiculous, it all mostly comes naturally without her having to actually work for it, all of the "tests" that get thrown at her are mild challenges at best, and she never, not once, straight up fails and falls on her face and has to get back on her feet again. She's too infallible. If I wanted to watch a supposedly infallible woman who somehow keeps succeeding without much effort or training, I'd watch a biopic about Ivanka Trump. Rey's story is infuriating in the same way. They had an opportunity to really tell something good and inspiring and truly turn Rey into an inspirational and strong female protagonist, but all we get is a girl that the movies keep TELLING us, "OH MY GOD, ISN'T SHE GREAT?!" instead of them actually SHOWING us or her actually earning a deep respect by overcoming hardship. Han dying was supposed to be that story beat, maybe, but then again she'd only met him like 24 hours prior and everyone felt worse for Chewie, especially when Leia doesn't hug him and instead hugs the random white girl she met for 15 minutes before. And that's just talking about Rey, when there's so much else to discuss when trying to encompass everything bad in the new trilogy. It's just the most frustrating part because you really WANT Rey to become this classic heroine of cinema for all time a la Luke, but she never will and honestly shouldn't be, not because of her gender at all but because the people writing her have brain worms and just don't understand what endears characters to viewers and makes us respect them. Fuzz fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 16:40
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah I really don’t understand the “original movies were bad” I think it would be fair to call ROTJ a rehash of ANH, same as TFA. If anything TFA leans closer to ROTJ than ANH when it comes to specific set pieces and scenes. But I’ve been watching/playing rehashes of action movies/games for my entire life so who am I to cast judgement.
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Movies aside, I’m about halfwayish thru the game and ... will I get the opportunity to have a ranged attack at some point?! I’ve got Force Push which helps a little, but being able to toss my lightsaber like the axe throw in God of War would be nice. Also, someone please make a game where I’m an Inquisitor hunting down the remaining scattered Jedi.
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Braincloud posted:Movies aside, I’m about halfwayish thru the game and ... will I get the opportunity to have a ranged attack at some point?! I’ve got Force Push which helps a little, but being able to toss my lightsaber like the axe throw in God of War would be nice. You get a saber throw, yes.
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Braincloud posted:Movies aside, I’m about halfwayish thru the game and ... will I get the opportunity to have a ranged attack at some point?! I’ve got Force Push which helps a little, but being able to toss my lightsaber like the axe throw in God of War would be nice. Throwing your lightsaber is eventually an upgrade. Depending on how fast you’re getting skill points it may be a fairly late game upgrade though.
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