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VitalSigns posted:wait are you saying it was wrong for Republicans to try to #cancel Bill Clinton for sex crimes? I don't think he's gonna answer that.
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VikingofRock posted:What's this now? I haven't heard anything about this and I'm not seeing anything on a skim of the Wikipedia page. Check out there work in Haiti. poo poo is wild. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/11/haiti-and-the-failed-promise-of-us-aid Oh and the saudis of course and their work in Africa is real suspect. Oh and straight up the clinton foundation is like every foundation in that it is used to launder money for those whose name grace it. Trump's foundation is nothing compared to it. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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theflyingorc posted:you idiot fucker You can do better. Not in a, like, “be a better person” way because you obviously can’t. But the least you can do is put a modicum of effort and creativity into these performative insults. quote:Yes, and the Republicans could be openly segregationist in the 60s. You're discussing events from over 20 years ago - and, even though it was wrong, the standards of the time were extremely different. Point to the timeline where rape switches from acceptable to not, I’m curious. quote:Also, you don't get to use their marriage that way. You just don't. Sorry, I’ll treat Hillary the same respectful understanding the thread gives Melania  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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She really doesn't have anything better to do with her time than make up crap like this? VitalSigns posted:He says he was just joking and he apologized too I think there's a tremendous distinction between parroting the propaganda you've grown up with regarding the Armenian genocide and bragging about using your power to systemically sexually assault women over the course of your career up until that point. The thing is, though, it's not like there's an objective scale for this! Ultimately, if somebody wishes to support or reject a politician, they'll find a way to justify their past actions.
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VitalSigns posted:He says he was just joking and he apologized too The difference is that Trump says offensive poo poo every day and is regularly sexist. Cenk was wrong about the Armenian thing, apologised and hasn't repeated it. Trump was admitting to a crime. Saying "I regularly sexually assault women" is disqualifying. Theres a huge difference between that and what we're talking about and the false equivalency on your behalf is very disingenuous.
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loving Czenbk and primary chat all loving day gently caress Edit: FUCJ
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Holy poo poo, is this proceeding still going on? What, are they giving every dipshit a chance to complain about the Mega-Holocaust trump has to endure?
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TheDisreputableDog posted:You can do better. Not in a, like, “be a better person” way because you obviously can’t. But the least you can do is put a modicum of effort and creativity into these performative insults. So Kavanuagh is bad, then? Because deflecting to Clinton (who is a rapist) doesn't mean Republicans should put a rapist to the nation's highest court for the rest of his life. No, not that one, the other one.
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Unoriginal Name posted:So Kavanuagh is bad, then? No, he thinks Kavanaugh is innocent and was unfairly attacked TheDisreputableDog posted:There once was a Justice named Beer
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Holy poo poo, is this proceeding still going on? What, are they giving every dipshit a chance to complain about the Mega-Holocaust trump has to endure? They have it set for 6 hours to debate articles one and two of impeachment; the 6 hours is extended a lot because of all of the parliamentary speak and passing minutes from the majority/minority leaders to their individual members. The republicans spent the first hunk of the day attempting to delay as much as possible with nonsense procedural motions, including doubling it to 12 hours of debate, which probably would have been ever so much more enlightening. I wonder what terrible metaphors we were deprived of by the limited "debate." Truly, a loss for all of us.
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Dammerung posted:I think there's a tremendous distinction between parroting the propaganda you've grown up with regarding the Armenian genocide and bragging about using your power to systemically sexually assault women over the course of your career up until that point. The thing is, though, it's not like there's an objective scale for this! Ultimately, if somebody wishes to support or reject a politician, they'll find a way to justify their past actions. Oh I agree, I think the Armenian genocide denial isn't an issue, he was 20, he grew up with propaganda, and he learned. I don't think that excuse flys for misogyny at 40 though Nephthys posted:The difference is that Trump says offensive poo poo every day and is regularly sexist. Cenk was wrong about the Armenian thing, apologised and hasn't repeated it.
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VitalSigns posted:Oh I agree, I think the Armenian genocide denial isn't an issue, he was 20, he grew up with propaganda, and he learned. On this, I agree. There was no reason for him to make those misogynistic/transphobic "jokes" in a public setting, period. At the very least I hope he has made a serious apology for what he has done, and is promising to take proactive steps to improve the lives of those he smeared should he be elected to serve as a Congressperson.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Cool, you're exposing intersectionalism and cancel culture for the bad faith, hypocritical partisan truncheon that it is. I hope I never get whatever disease leads you to believe the things that you do. TheDisreputableDog posted:The point is that many of the same people screaming for his head would instead just grumble and shrug if he were a pro-choice liberal, like some of the Cenk posts in the last few pages evidence. I’d love to engage with this.....argument you made, with all of its intangibles. First though- Why don’t you tell us what you really think about abortion? See, I personally wouldn’t “grumble and shrug” if this hypothetical liberal nominee wound up being a sex pest. I would want them immediately replaced with a non-sex pest alternative. Of which there would undoubtedly be many. But also I can’t say that I view “supports abortion” and “opposes abortion” on equal, impartial footing either. In fact extrapolate that to any of the incredibly damaging and destructive political views and aims that somebody like  brings to the Supreme Court. You ask us to equivocate between the two parties and only look at personal character but that doesn’t actually work if you care at all about policy or real-life effects.Saying “you’d like him if he was a pro-choice liberal” is bad faith horseshit to me, because literally any pro choice liberal getting on the Supreme Court is going to be better for American women and the American people as a collective than any regressive Federalist society cretin. Ramsay Bolton could be the loving nominee, and if his policy positions/judicial record were in line with the Justice Dems he’d be immeasurably better for the nation than an arch conservative with a spotless background. But again, there are tons of liberal judges who aren’t rapists. Nobody has to go to the mat defending them in 2019, because the party has established a precedent of zero tolerance for that poo poo since And then ok, in TDD’s fever swamp Topsy Turvy World of Only Two Noms I suppose I would have to choose a Pro-choice rapist to put on the bench rather than an anti-choice non-rapist, because I understand that policy directly impacts people’s lives and direct effects take importance over personal character. I guess you got me there. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Electric Bugaloo posted:I hope I never get whatever disease leads you to believe the things that you do. Dude just pops in to try and plant a "whatabout" line every few pages and people fall for it every time. An incredible success rate.
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Seriously I just don't know what I'll think or how to remotely process the growing mounting evidence that Epstein probably was in fact murdered and in a spectacularly incompetent manner.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Jesus Christ. A liberal version of Kavanaugh served two terms as President, was let off the hook for perjury related to sex crimes by his own party, and his biggest enabler won the democratic primary three years ago. Deflect TheDisreputableDog posted:You can do better. Not in a, like, “be a better person” way because you obviously can’t. But the least you can do is put a modicum of effort and creativity into these performative insults. Attack TheDisreputableDog posted:Sorry, I’ll treat Hillary the same respectful understanding the thread gives Melania Reverse Victim and Offender Nicely illustrated, thank you for your opfor service.
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Bugsy posted:https://twitter.com/KyleClark/status/1207442194531045376 Hey, my local nazi adjacent radio station! They just fired a host for having the audacity to say he supported impeachment. Colorado is a weird place. Lots of socially progressive libertarians, business republicans, third way type Democrats, and the straight up loving Nazis.
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Raenir Salazar posted:in a spectacularly incompetent manner. that's how you know it's true
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Jaxyon posted:Dude just pops in to try and plant a "whatabout" line every few pages and people fall for it every time. An incredible success rate. Getting a couple of rounds in on the TDD speed bag is exponentially more interesting than literally anything else that’s been discussed today, the Day of Impeachment. If you don’t think we genuinely enjoy going for these when he shows up then look at the ~10 pages of people screaming past each other about Cenk. TDD may be a fake gimmick, but so is the mechanical rabbit at a greyhound track.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:If you don’t think we genuinely enjoy going for these when he shows up then look at the ~10 pages of people screaming past each other about Cenk. TDD may be a fake gimmick, but so is the mechanical rabbit at a greyhound track.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:You can do better. Not in a, like, “be a better person” way because you obviously can’t. But the least you can do is put a modicum of effort and creativity into these performative insults.
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And we say they can't be honest! Shame on us. AmiYumi posted:You are way more hosed up and broken than he is if you actually enjoy “arguing” with one step above fartnoise.mp3 I mean, farts do have a certain entertainment value of their own.
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Democratic Senators are Tweeting Photos of the Giant Pile of 'Dead' House-Passed Bills on Mitch McConnell's Desk newsweek.com/12/18/19 "The pile of more than 275 bipartisan bills that stymie on Senator Mitch McConnell's desk is photographed on December 18, 2019 in the U.S. Capitol." Disparate group of Republican senators worry White House and GOP leaders ahead of impeachment trial cnn.com/December 17, 2019 "Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's high-profile push for witnesses to testify in the Senate's expected impeachment trial of President Donald Trump shifted attention and political pressure on Monday to a handful of Republican senators who have worked diligently to avoid the spotlight. The disparate group's views on the trial are a concern to the White House and GOP leaders, who are worried some could break and vote with Democrats on key trial-related issues, sources tell CNN. If four of them were to buck calls from GOP leaders for a short, witness-free trial, it could upend the process and create the kind of wild uncertainty Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says he has been carefully "coordinating" to avoid in ongoing talks with top White House officials." No One in the Senate Is Going to Follow the Rules on Impeachment. Try This Instead. slate.com/Dec 18, 2019 "Mitch McConnell is a nihilist who is impossible to hold to account. But John Roberts may yet be swayed." .... 'Lawyerly Democrats and principled Republicans have already expressed their outrage at McConnell’s decision to marry the Senate impeachment trial to the president’s tactical defense effort. A close reading of the special oath senators must take, as provided in the Constitution itself, underscores the right to outrage—Rule XXV of the Senate rules in impeachment trials states “I solemnly swear (or affirm) that in all things appertaining to the trial of ____, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws, so help me God.” Yes, there it is, right there, in the rules. And therein lies the problem we seem to be having. Three years after Merrick Garland was denied a hearing and vote, we continue to believe that the norms, or even the rules mean anything. Yes, Senate “rules” suggest that senators should behave as unbiased jurors. But rules are not enforceable if nobody cares to enforce them, which is why McConnell has just announced that the Bill Clinton impeachment rules will not govern the Trump impeachment trial.' Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wants you to know that it’s not only women who get pregnant pinknews.co.uk/December 17, 2019 "US Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has shown how simple it is to include trans people in conversations about pregnancy during a speech about maternity leave." Appeals court says Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional and sends law back to lower court cnn.com/December 18, 2019 "A federal appeals court has found the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate unconstitutional but did not invalidate the entire law, which remains in effect. The 2-1 decision by the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals likely pushes any Supreme Court action on Obamacare until after the 2020 election but again thrusts the issue of health care into the forefront of the campaign -- and extends the uncertainty surrounding the future of the landmark law, long a political target for President Donald Trump and other Republicans." Pro-impeachment protests swelled in cities across the country — but there’s still no real impeachment movement vox.com/Dec 18, 2019 "Protest organizers said over 200,000 people attended an evening of national protest, but it isn’t clear whether this momentum will be built upon."
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AmiYumi posted:You are way more hosed up and broken than he is if you actually enjoy “arguing” with one step above fartnoise.mp3 probably, but not broken enough to post links to my own tweets for validation
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Awhile back, some crazy judge in Texas threw out the individual mandate in Obamacare and then claimed that it invalidated the entire law. A federal appeals court reaffirmed that the mandate is unconstitutional but did not agree that the entire law had to be scrapped. https://twitter.com/politico/status/1207422008637710342
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VikingofRock posted:Do we know what time the actual impeachment vote is scheduled for? Right now, more or less.
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Ershalim posted:Right now, more or less. drat, I should have checked C-Span before posting! Thanks.
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Roommates husband who’s on leave finally cornered me into a discussion about the “monkey show” with the impeachment. How do you discuss politics with someone who thinks trump did nothing wrong, Hillary deserves jail for Benghazi, the Kurds had to be abandoned, and that trump fixed the unemployment problems? I get I don’t have much a chance because he’s white, highschool educated, male, and a marine, but how do you have a real discussion with these sorta dudes? I just sorta nodded and went “yeah good point, that’s really somethin” because I wanted to get back to my own business, but now he’s pretty happy now that he feels he’s won. It’s all odd because he opened up this by saying “we should have a serious discussion about this (impeachment).”
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