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Libertarianism is a short jump away from straight up facism. Don't let them fool you. Ron Paul and his idiot son want to put undesirables in camps. Bill Watts bought into that stuff super heavily like a lot of scared white dudes. He's a fuckin coward. gently caress him. I voted Michael Hayes because I loathe that man's continued existence.
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davidbix posted:...it was? I have always heard in conversations where Moolah's crimes were brought up that she routinely forced trainees into sex with her. If you've not heard of it then I'm gonna assume it was something made up. I've no idea which former student made the claim so I'd have to dig through a lot of crap to try and find it again. e: It was Sweet Georgia Brown and she claimed that all of her children were a result of Moolah's husband raping her while she was a trainee. One of her sons refutes this. TTBF fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Dec 18, 2019 |
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Drunk racist gently caress Michael Hayes still got a job as far as i know
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I kinda wish Michael Hayes and Bill Watts would die in a fire holding hands. I think that'd be a fitting end.
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You really need to read the whole thing. https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1207372372573138944
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coconono posted:Libertarianism is a short jump away from straight up facism. Don't let them fool you. Ron Paul and his idiot son want to put undesirables in camps. Bill Watts bought into that stuff super heavily like a lot of scared white dudes. He's a fuckin coward. gently caress him.
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davidbix posted:Well yeah, I know that and you know that, but in the now almost 27 years since the Watts stuff blew up (and over 28 since the original interview text came out in the 1991 Torch Summer Annual), I don't think I ever saw anyone bring up "because they intermarried and got educated" until the social media era. Even among people who weren't defending him, like the Torch folks, you never really saw any Watts discussions where anyone was like "...but he also said that that the best thing that ever happened to the black race was being able to breed with superior white blood." And even more recently, it's still rare. That's a big reason why I made a point of subtitling and posting the audio. oh I agree. I remember only hearing snippets of the torch audio and thinking "well that's not too terrible" only to hear the actual audio where he does a whole 10 minutes on the moral failures of homosexuals and african americans.
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God I can't believe I forgot about Watt's letter about Hank Aaron
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Not to ignore that he's a tremendous racist, but the idiocy of "people won't go if they know it's predetermined. Now let me tell you about the movie I watched..." makes my brain bleed
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Wait... Bill Watts wrote a letter to Hank Aaron to describe his racist world view in like 10 pages? How did I manage to never know this?
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Jake Roberts was really trying hard to say something positive about Watts in that video posted in the Twitter thread, deflecting it by talking about modern day wrestling for a bit. Is it true that when Jake went to WCW, Watts tore up his (potentially quite lucrative) contract right in front of him, since Jake's negotiations had been with Kip Frey rather than Watts, and the two of them had beef over something?
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STAC Goat posted:Wait... Bill Watts wrote a letter to Hank Aaron to describe his racist world view in like 10 pages? How did I manage to never know this? EDIT: I just checked, and it's over 1,600 words. LOL. But yeah, it's because so much of what we consume is Observer-centric, and I hope nobody takes that as a shot at Dave, because it's not. It's just that there's a LOT more that we need to find, archive, and pore over, on top of better absorbing what was in the Torch, which is easily accessible. It's a big reason I'm so happy that Kris, myself, and some friends compiled a complete collection of the original run of Matwatch, always love when we have Torch-heavy weeks on Between The Sheets, etc. The Observer is the brand name and the Observer and Torch were always the best for breaking news, but there are a LOT of odds and ends in other newsletters, especially when it comes to interviews. John Clark especially did some great interviews in Wrestling Flyer, like Kerry Von Erich's only insider interview (right after he completed rehab, too), Paul MacArthur and Dave Skolnik did in Wrestling Perspective (like the Tom Cole interview), Alex Marvez had some good stuff in Three Count (and some good reporting, too), John Arezzi had some really interesting stuff in Pro Wrestling Spotlight...and that's just among the more well-known non-Torch/Observer sheets. (I almost said shorter-lived, but Perspective ran at least a decade.) The sheet boom of the early '90s resulted in a LOT of content, far from all of it good, but we've barely scratched the surface on it in the internet era. Same goes for the older bulletins, even if Jason Campbell did a great job scanning all of the stuff he had. Hopefully, between Jason, Roy Lucier, Dave Prazak, Phil Wills, and eventually others, we'll get access to more and more stuff. davidbix fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Dec 18, 2019 |
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coconono posted:no idea but Watts being lovely to Jake would not surprise me. They had heat from Mid South, fuzzy on why, wanna say it has to do with Jake not making Muhammad Ali look good for an angle? Watts defenders also like to trot out JYD's push as proof he wasn't racist.
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davidbix posted:I tweeted this and MRT retweeted it on the NY64 account, but it really should be stated here, too: In the letter to Aaron, Watts says 'integrated' rather than 'intermarried.' this is a minor distinction and still represents a white supremacists viewpoint. However, I would be extremely surprised to learn that Watts approves of interracial marriage. Edit: were you referring to the interview rather than the letter? I didn't hear it. I know I've read about lots of dumb racist poo poo Hayes has said over the years. When I hear his name that's one of the first characterizations I associate with him. But Watts seems like the more spiteful and dogmatic racist. His letter denying his racist attitudes was more indicative of his racist attitudes than anything else! Son of Man fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Ok is there any kind of case for Hayes here over Watts?
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flashy_mcflash posted:Ok is there any kind of case for Hayes here over Watts? there really isn't. Watts is a virulent shithead so toxic even Vince McMahon doesn't keep him on the payroll. He's a nazi that straightened out his swatztika into a crucifix. Hayes is a middle manager in a death cult. He's the exact kind of handsy racist poo poo head that vince likes and enables.
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I'm still voting Watts but the only possible case for Hayes that I could see is that their era of backstage influence (Watts from roughly 1980-1995, Hayes from 2000-present) making Hayes's position even worse given the (admittedly insufficient and in many ways marginal) progress society at large has made between those two eras. Also the fact that Watts was his own boss in an independent company being a dumb racist for the vast majority of that time and suffered at least something resembling real consequences for his racism, whereas Michael Hayes is a lackey in a billion dollar publicly traded company who I guess got briefly suspended once over a decade ago? Though like so much of this list, that really rolls back to "Vote for Vince". Also if we're factoring personal fashion into this, Michael Hayes would have been a 1 seed.
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Watts vs. Hayes is a tough choice. Jesus ever-loving christ. Watts is a piece of poo poo. Hayes is racist. Goddammit. Watts. He helped book WCW in oblivion because he didn't like African American wrestlers. Seriously, GI Bro?! gently caress. You. And was a complete rear end in a top hat on top of that. At least Hayes did some sorta things in WCCW. I suppose.
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Burning Beard posted:Watts vs. Hayes is a tough choice. Jesus ever-loving christ. Watts is a piece of poo poo. Hayes is racist. Goddammit. I thought Gi Bro was in Global?
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Burning Beard posted:Watts. He helped book WCW in oblivion because he didn't like African American wrestlers. Seriously, GI Bro?! gently caress. You. And was a complete rear end in a top hat on top of that. At least Hayes did some sorta things in WCCW. I suppose. I don't know the timeline of WCW 1993 by heart, but Watts may have been booking when Harlem Heat debuted, and their early gimmick was literally shackled black men led to the ring by their Plantation Owner Looking manager Colonel Parker. If that was under Watts it's about a million times worse than GI Bro.
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Edge & Christian posted:Unless I'm forgetting something, Booker was only GI Bro super early in his career (circa 1991 in Texas) and then in late 1999 under the Bischoff/Russo tandem regime. The plantation thing was a suggestion by Sid that I don't think got done (It is loving horrifying thpugh)
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El Gallinero Gros posted:The plantation thing was a suggestion by Sid that I don't think got done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8irxI14vyOE Here he is describing the whole thing as Sid's pitch. He suggests Dusty was booking, not Watts at the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDD8NC7yPhc Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Edge & Christian posted:Unless I'm forgetting something, Booker was only GI Bro super early in his career (circa 1991 in Texas) and then in late 1999 under the Bischoff/Russo tandem regime. Looking it up, yes you are right. Sorry. Still a lovely gimmick that killed Booker.
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I thought the GI Bro was just a silly thing that they did with MIA and all the stupid military 'puns' in WCW, (General Rection, Major Gunns etc.) It was pretty stupid and forgettable, and if i remember right, didn't last that long.
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Snuka. At least Benoit had the sense to off himself.
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flashy_mcflash posted:Snuka. At least Benoit had the sense to off himself. He killed himself so he wouldn't have to go to prison
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Son of Man posted:In the letter to Aaron, Watts says 'integrated' rather than 'intermarried.' this is a minor distinction and still represents a white supremacists viewpoint. However, I would be extremely surprised to learn that Watts approves of interracial marriage. https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1200255286994452480 He clearly says "intermarried," and Wade's transcript reflected that in 1991. But yes, almost 2 years later, in trying to smooth it over with Hank Aaron, he said "integrated." Maybe "intermarried" was a slip in 1991, but if it was, it's pretty clearly a freudian one. And as noted by Wade in 1993 after Clark published the letter, Watts, in spite of claiming other wise, never requested any kind of correction to the 1991 interview or the 1993 coverage of his departure.
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BrigadierSensible posted:I thought the GI Bro was just a silly thing that they did with MIA and all the stupid military 'puns' in WCW, (General Rection, Major Gunns etc.) The Russo/MIA thing was a callback to a lovely gimmick he had early in his career. He was supposed to be "taking it back" or some nonsense.
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Edge & Christian posted:The explicit prisoner/slave thing doesn't seem to have made it to TV (or at least it's not online), but Colonel Robert Parker as a Boss Hogg motherfucker manager of KOLE and KANE definitely made it to TV and lasted for a couple of years, if I remember "The Posse" with Booker and Stevie as a chain gang managed by Parker never made TV, and yes, the consensus these days seems like it was Sid's idea. (Watts was absolutely gone by then.) But...it MAY have made TV overseas. It's not online anywhere anymore, but there used to be a match on YouTube from German TV where they were Harlem Heat...but with prison uniform tops along with their wrestling tights. Parker wasn't at ringside and they clearly weren't The Posse, but this didn't air in the U.S. So if that could air internationally...then maybe The Posse did, as well. Yeah.
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A part of me feels that Shawn deserves "better" than being squashed by Snuka... EDIT: In another match-up I mean, he absolutely should be squashed by Snuka.
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maybe but it's hard to find good matchups for middle of the road assholes at this stage. he would probably even lose to the guy losing to bill watts
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Shawn's an rear end in a top hat and probably some kind or another of a sex pest but the more this goes on it becomes a tournament of racists, abusers, predators, and killers. In a lot of ways HBK is just "lucky" that he was one of the pure "assholes" who made it through the first round. I mean, unless I'm forgetting something HBK did.
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