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Agony Aunt posted:Anyone know what the next big tech after server meshing is going to be when server meshing fails to solve all CIG problems? I think once the Laterally Integrated Gaussian Master Architecture is coupled with Boundary Attached Low Level States everything will come together.
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Dec 19, 2019 16:07
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built my spaceship railjack thing in warframe and its pretty fun and impressive, although the bugs are loving terrible things that it actually has, gameplay wise multicrew - use turrets, fix damage to the ship command module - call out enemies, issue commands, use helpful abilities across the map EVA - fly outside the ship and use your archwing spacesuit thing to shoot down ships boarding - get launched from the ship like a torpedo and board enemy ships and blow em up pretty cool TheAgent fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 16:10
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TheAgent posted:built my spaceship railjack thing in warframe and its pretty fun and impressive, although the bugs are loving terrible I bet the containers are barely streamed from the server-side. Their objects are probably loaded, like som weak baby infant with weak baby arms. Are they even rendering to texture?
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Dec 19, 2019 16:13
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IcarusUpHigh posted:I don't think Star Citizen is very good personally. I think infact, it is the opposite of good. To be fair, I bet it's more fun than playing any of the Wing Commander games.
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Dec 19, 2019 16:19
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Hav posted:I bet the containers are barely streamed from the server-side. Their objects are probably loaded, like som weak baby infant with weak baby arms. Are they even rendering to texture?
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Dec 19, 2019 16:25
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Bubbacub posted:To be fair, I bet it's more fun than playing any of the Wing Commander games. I dunno. The first one and Prophecy weren’t that bad during gaming in those eras. If compared to today, then yes they are bad.
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Dec 19, 2019 16:26
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Bubbacub posted:To be fair, I bet it's more fun than playing any of the Wing Commander games. Wing Commander 3 was a very good reason to demand a CD-ROM drive from your parents. It also had a decent pew-pew-game in it. I remember there was a weapon (tachyon stuff or whatever) I got which basically murdered everyhing and some kind of torpedo that murdered everything that was bigger. Between that, there was Luke and a guy standing pretty uncomfortably looking like a big cat, and I could click on him to get some info for the next pew-pew mission with the tachyon stuff. I think that's exactly what I told my parents to justify the CD-ROM drive purchase. Pew-pew.
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Dec 19, 2019 18:06
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The next CD I bought was from some shady guy in Jungbusch, Mannheim, and it had like ten different Doom wad editors on it, coupled with hundreds of wads, and I can't remember the next three years of my life outside of creating Doom stuff. e: I also tried a TIE Fighter editor that was on the same CD, and it was fun. I made huge space battles, but they crashed the game at some point, so I went back to Doom stuff. Thanks for listening.
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Dec 19, 2019 18:09
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Inacio posted:reddit: Citizen defaces His vision by making sc look much, much better by simply applying good tonemapping
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Dec 19, 2019 18:17
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Ya sure guy, they cant simulate people going to the toilet without glitching through the universe and dying, but they can definitely realistically simulate light from the sun hitting an atmosphere yessum!
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Dec 19, 2019 18:21
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it's MEANT to look like poo poo ok..
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Dec 19, 2019 18:24
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Beet Wagon posted:lmao I forgot people believed this 
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Dec 19, 2019 18:26
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heh, just found out why Citizens are mad about the QT changes: they nerfed fuckspensive whale ships. of course that's why. it's not about "muh realism" or "muh immersion" it's about "you're making my e-peen less important". quote:Small ships are faster in QT but require more stops to fuel up, while large ships are slower but can travel large distances in one go. Sorry OP but CIG couldn't be more spot on about this. because the game is no longer completely unplayable for the plebeians, the whales are angry. naturally.
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Dec 19, 2019 18:35
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Moola posted:Ya sure guy, they cant simulate people going to the toilet without glitching through the universe and dying, but they can definitely realistically simulate light from the sun hitting an atmosphere yessum! Every single photon entering the atmosphere is fully simulated, it might be hard for your FUDster mind to comprehend, but Star Citizen isn’t one of your poo poo tier non-fidelity games, it’s a full blown universe simulation. The foundation has already been laid, and once Socks version 2 is in, scientists will be using Star Citizen to test advanced theories in physics and cosmology. colonelwest fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 18:38
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Inacio posted:it's MEANT to look like poo poo ok.. Absolutely loving all the comments saying just this. "it's more REALISTIC!!!!"
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Dec 19, 2019 18:39
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Beet Wagon posted:lmao I forgot people believed this It's what raytracing was built for!
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Dec 19, 2019 19:00
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Dec 19, 2019 19:34
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Zaphod42 posted:They'll make up another acronym after that “Quantic Reprogrammable Server Tesselation“ sounds like something chris would love. ...and the backers too. ...and all the greedy studios would be jealous and try to steal this magical “tech“.
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Dec 19, 2019 19:59
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So is there some Holiday stream or announcement happening? Or is this just it for the end of the year and no word about SQ42 at all?
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Dec 19, 2019 19:59
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New Industry Breaking Feature just released by CIG. The new mining mechanics are blowing EVERYONE away and it features the best cosplayer at CitCon as the main inspiration. TRUELY remarkable what CiG as been able to do and accomplish these past 8 years. Take a look! https://archive.org/details/arcade_bagman “ The objective of the game is to maneuver the bagman through various mine shafts, picking up money bags and placing them in a wheelbarrow at the surface of the mine.” SabinBlitz fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 20:05
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tuo posted:Jungbusch, Mannheim what a small world we live in
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Dec 19, 2019 20:13
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Popete posted:So is there some Holiday stream or announcement happening? Or is this just it for the end of the year and no word about SQ42 at all? If they haven't announced it by now it's likely not happening. They didn't do one last year and the citizens only found that out through an offhand comment in concierge chat. It's possible there's some surprise trailer coming - anything's possible - but it'd be really weird to not present that at CitizenCon instead. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 20:16
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Quavers posted:Volunteer Regression: 3.8.0n This is from a few pages ago, but jesus christ. This is literally QA work, like the type of work I get full time benefits, and enough pay to survive in socal to do (not the only thing i do, but all QA is gonna do regression/confirmation testing from time to time). Who in the gently caress would do this for a for profit company for free? These people are broken in the brain.
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Dec 19, 2019 20:18
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fargom posted:This is from a few pages ago, but jesus christ. This is literally QA work, like the type of work I get full time benefits, and enough pay to survive in socal to do (not the only thing i do, but all QA is gonna do regression/confirmation testing from time to time). Who in the gently caress would do this for a for profit company for free? These people are broken in the brain. You have no rights to question them after you give them your money and you are required to provide skilled labor. I don't see why you are so blown away by this?
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Dec 19, 2019 20:23
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fargom posted:This is from a few pages ago, but jesus christ. This is literally QA work, like the type of work I get full time benefits, and enough pay to survive in socal to do (not the only thing i do, but all QA is gonna do regression/confirmation testing from time to time). Who in the gently caress would do this for a for profit company for free? These people are broken in the brain. When FD charged people to access beta and be beta testers players lost their poo poo. When SC does it, the backers celebrate.
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Dec 19, 2019 20:30
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Not sure if this was already posted, but here's a Newsweek (lol) article specifically about SOCS in SC: 'STAR CITIZEN' DEVS EXPLAIN HOW SOCS MAKES SPACE FOR SPACE IN ALPHA 3.8 Citizens: hooray, SOCS is in, the player cap can raise above 50 now! SC Dev: "Server OCS basically takes this huge load off the servers," Tracy explained, "they're like this mule that's been overburdened with planet after planet and Landing Zone after Landing Zone. We're taking that all off its back so clearly the mule's gonna be able to run faster." By loading less at once, the server demand is reduced. On the OCS side, for example, Tracy suggested that the technology could eventually lead to server counts beyond 50 players. However, backers shouldn't expect improvements on that level immediately. "We want to do that stuff internally, find out where our sweet spot for performance is and go with that," Tracy cautioned. So lobby sizes may increase over time, but not substantially. For those cataclysmic gains, Tracy and his teams have their eyes set on a venture called server meshing instead. "We don't want to spend a ton of time getting server OCS just right so we can get to 150. Because why? We'll get to 1,000 with the other one." "Could eventually" lead to more than 50 players. "Could." "Eventually." Tier 0 people. Also of note in the comments - sounds kinda like a goon that made this same observation a while ago: Sorry, that [server meshing being groundbreaking] is not true. I have been working in this industry for over 35 years and my network code is in over 50 gaming titles and hundreds of applications around the world. I have worked mostly in Asia due to the explosion of the MMORPG and mobile RPG market and the demand of games to serve hundreds of thousands, even millions of players at the same time. What they call OCS and Server Meshing has been developed in the early to mid 90's and quickly been dismissed because there are more efficient ways to achieve the same result for the clients. The second reason it was dismissed so fast is the absolute insane server costs when you start scaling this to only a few thousand players. There really is nothing groundbreaking in this technology and as they will soon discover, it is also not very practical when it comes to resources. I read somewhere that this game will not have a monthly subscription and that leads me to the conclusion that they will not be able to pay for the server cost of this technology. There is just no way they can pay Amazon AWS instances needed to run and simulate a single Solar system without heavy monetization. I wish them good luck and i will follow the progress out of curiosity. Woof. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 20:30
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Popete posted:So is there some Holiday stream or announcement happening? Or is this just it for the end of the year and no word about SQ42 at all? Duh, they don't want any spoilers obviously.
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Dec 19, 2019 20:31
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Interesting thing about warframe railjack is that they actually made turret gameplay work and be entertaining. There are a number of things working in its favor that are frankly impossible in star citizen. * Turret gunners have 360d FOV and turret arc, enabling them to participate no matter what else is going on * Turrets have as much firepower as the primary gun, as well as access to secondary ordnance and tertiary special abilities. * Turret gunners are often required or encouraged to change up gameplay by getting off the turrets in order to fight boarding parties, repair critical damage, or simply collect loot. Or alter their role by conducting boarding actions against other vessels. * Speeds relative to target size are low enough to create decently sized hitboxes * Enemy fighters are faster than the railjack, enabling them to make strafing runs and come about for another go. This behavior makes for a dynamic threat environment. * Some targets have locational damage that is required to destroy them, requiring precise targeting depending on the angle * Especially later in the game, the enemy will be launching vast quantities of ordnance at the railjack, all of which is both destroyable and slow enough to be identified and engaged by turret gunners * Damage is by and large persistent. You won't ever be wasting your shots as long as you hit. Star Citizen literally isn't going to be doing any of that * Gunners control one turret with limited firepower and only one weapons systems * If an enemies shields are too strong your guns are useless * Gunners have limited arcs. Sometimes extremely limited arcs * A combination of very precise aim and luck is required to even HIT enemies given the ranges and speeds involved * Turret fights are likely to involve simply being chased by an enemy instead of one making attack runs. * Missiles are going to be unhittable. The game implicitly concedes this by having AI controlled PD turrets TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 20:35
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precision posted:I do think Crobbers has a complete SQ42 script and I bet it's hilarious. And also I'm sure has been rewritten constantly I just want to read the part he wrote after he saw black panther. Then I can die happy
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Dec 19, 2019 20:36
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Interesting thing about warframe railjack is that they actually made turret gameplay work and be entertaining. There are a number of things working in its favor that are frankly impossible in star citizen. Really cool. I love reading about Warframe but it's a shame all these cool things they're doing are attached to a game with such a high barrier of entry 
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Dec 19, 2019 20:37
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Also, they used to have a letter from the chairman after big funding milestones. Did they send one for the quarter of a billion dollars one?
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Dec 19, 2019 20:37
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Really cool. I love reading about Warframe but it's a shame all these cool things they're doing are attached to a game with such a high barrier of entry I hope they will just let new players access railjack. Although the Archwing (free space flight) module is required to complete most Railjack missions, you only actually *need* one person with it. New players could man the Railjack while the experienced player completes objectives.
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Dec 19, 2019 20:44
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:I hope they will just let new players access railjack. Although the Archwing (free space flight) module is required to complete most Railjack missions, you only actually *need* one person with it. New players could man the Railjack while the experienced player completes objectives. Well, it's a little more than that - there's just so much stuff in Warframe that it's mind-boggling for anyone trying to get into it. I put a good 100+ hours into it a few months ago, and ended up giving up because I was STILL struggling to fit my arms around it and it felt more like a chore than fun. The ideas they've been putting into the game recently are really cool, but they butt up against years-long issues of balance, information overload, and abandoned content. I think I'd jump in if they did a reboot with a new game without all that baggage with all their new, cool ideas like the railjack and open world and such, but in the current state, I just don't like the framework it's built on.
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Dec 19, 2019 20:54
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Dec 19, 2019 21:03
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Inacio posted:heh, just found out why Citizens are mad about the QT changes: they nerfed fuckspensive whale ships. of course that's why. Oh they fixed the QT mechanics? I might have to jump in and do another write up. Spending 20+ minutes every time I wanted to play just flying to an empty planet was a giant fun suck.
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Dec 19, 2019 21:08
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quote:This problem could be no better exemplified than the current partial deployment of the upcoming microTech planet. "We are so at the limit right now that we put microTech in, but we didn't put the Landing Zone in yet because we do need server OCS so we can have the rest of that Landing Zone," Tracy admitted. In other words, this game about space literally has no more to offer. wait, i thought socks were in on 3.8? 
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Dec 19, 2019 21:09
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Sarsapariller posted:Oh they fixed the QT mechanics? I might have to jump in and do another write up. Spending 20+ minutes every time I wanted to play just flying to an empty planet was a giant fun suck. "fixed" is an exaggeration - it's just less awful for cheaper ships. ymmv. also Citizens have said that it might be just for the PTU, too - you can now QT from 10,000m, which means that once again it's less
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Inacio posted:"fixed" is an exaggeration - it's just less awful for cheaper ships. ymmv. Friend, I'm seeing some troubling language here. "After PTU" - are you starting to believe there will actually be a game here some day? Pull back, my son, before the darkness overtakes you.
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So, you know how SC fans tend to go all gaga over any mention of the SQ42 actors? Well, i was watching Electric Dreams and in episode 6 there is Liam Cunnigham has a space general, dressed in a uniform not too unlike in the SQ42 promo stuff. I thought, i bet the SC backers will love this. I haven't seen anyone talking about this series despite it being out for a while, and i searched on the SC sub and saw no mention of it. So i decided to make a post about it there suggesting people take a look, but didn't give the name because i thought it would be a nice surprise, and maybe introduce some people to the series who hadn't seen it (and i'm enjoying it a lot). What happens? 90% downvoted and nothing but negative comments. I'm just gobsmacked. I probably should have said 10 hail Roberts before posting or something. But i'm really done with that sub, they can't even handle something nice being posted by someone who is critical. Going to ask for a permaban. If SC ever releases, and if its any good, and i get interested, i can live without being part of that community.
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