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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Hahah YangGang dashing towards the center now that he’s almost polling 5% is the most pathetic thing this primary cycle He's been moving toward the center on healthcare the entire time. It's just that no one really noticed except the Yang superfans (who've helpfully posted about the changes on r/YangForPresident), because nobody else cared about any of his other policies. When he first put up his campaign website, his healthcare page talked about his support for Medicare For All. A few months later, most references to M4A had quietly been replaced with "single payer". A few months after that, all references to "single payer" were quietly replaced with "public option". And so on. This is just him having a public mask-off moment to attract donor notice. Gripweed posted:yeah when people talk about telehealth in America it means you will only ever see doctors via skype, never in person ever again Nah, telehealth in America means you pay a doctor to tell you over Skype to go see your doctor in person, which you will also pay for. The reason the health industry is pushing it so hard isn't just because it's cheaper and more convenient, it's because it's a vector to direct people to doctor's offices who otherwise might not bother to do so, and allows the system to charge you for two visits for a single concern.
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ooh, more drawings! https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/11/everything-you-need-know-about-next-democratic-debate/?arc404=true Steyer, Klob, But, Bernie, Biden, Warren, Yang e:solo drawings later in the article The Lemondrop Dandy fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:if you want to full-on it's-time-for-some-game-theory it, it's actually interesting to plot out what would be the ideal outcome for Russia of this whole mess, but it's a little far afield of the primary the actual results of the impeachment process probably don't matter to russia, president pence or pelosi won't shift away from sanctions/hardline containment/nuclear arms race. the real positive of this for russia has been the split in us/ukraine relations. with the trump administration pushing for one thing, and the state department pushing for another, the whole affair has made it impossible for ukraine to work with the united states. the impeachment process, where former and current ambassadors to ukraine described the country as a uniquely corrupt place, was basically a weeks long insult to ukraine. six months ago, in that transcript between trump and zelensky, zelensky was flattering trump and begging him to send more weapons to continue the war with russia. now, zelensky is in the middle of peace talks with russia, moderated by macron. all that hyperbolic testimony about "saving ukraine from russia" actually had the opposite effect. ukraine distancing itself from the us isn't just a product of trump's incredibly stupid attempts at diplomacy, but also a product of the state department publicly having a temper tantrum, and the democrats needing a crime to impeach trump for that involved russia. there are too many people involved for this outcome to be some sort of russian conspiracy, it seems much more straightforward to ascribe this as blowback from the united states government putting domestic policy posturing before international policy.
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putin is a KGB agent manipulating downfall of american democracy from the shadows, but also lets trust what he says to the press sorry sweaty but impeachment is a Russian Active Measure
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Gripweed posted:Let's stop talking about Gabbard and move on to a serious, respectable candidate Shot: WNDU News, yesterday posted:South Bend PD takes the guesswork out of officer discipline South Bend Tribune, yesterday posted:Changes to South Bend police body camera policy approved, but city won't say what they are
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VitalSigns posted:There's this really tedious motte-and-bailey argument going on, where simultaneously someone being a Russian is some kind of horrible threat to our democracy that we must fear above all else, but then when anyone asks basic questions like "do you have any evidence this person is a Russian asset", then someone being a Russian asset is a totally unremarkable thing and it just means they've been mentioned positively in Russian media at some point (which applies to pretty much everyone notable) so even doubting the accusation is crazy because well look here you can see a Russian anchor said something nice about them can't you. And thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Ither posted:What's your point here? That Russia is doing nothing? Hey buddy, care to explain why you jumped straight to accusing me of something I didn't say? In any case my point is self-evident: There's a whole legion of grifters trying to make money from the whole Russiagate thingy and it's beneficial to said grift if they can make people really scared. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Gripweed posted:Let's stop talking about Gabbard and move on to a serious, respectable candidate 
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Last night, just as the impeachment vote happened, Tom Steyer's automatic engagement bot sent me a message on Facebook. My previous interaction with it was telling it to "eat sit", which it knew meant to go away. That's my tom Steyer story along with seeing a hundred of his dumb ads to the point where even my spouse is getting pissed at it too.
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Gripweed posted:Let's stop talking about Gabbard and move on to a serious, respectable candidate This is way too stupid for me to want to believe but I’m sure there’s video so l m a o
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Lightning Knight posted:This is way too stupid for me to want to believe but I’m sure there’s video so l m a o My dude... *waving my arm at the past 4 years*
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My ACA plan premium would triple next year! I say "would" because I am miraculously lucky and will be starting new employment with proper coverage just in time to avoid that disaster but countless Americans are not so fortunate! I redirected my fury to a donation for Sanders and I'm giving time for Sanders. We must put a stake through the heart of the insurance industry.
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SuperKlaus posted:My ACA plan premium would triple next year! I say "would" because I am miraculously lucky and will be starting new employment with proper coverage just in time to avoid that disaster but countless Americans are not so fortunate! I redirected my fury to a donation for Sanders and I'm giving time for Sanders. We must put a stake through the heart of the insurance industry.
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Condiv posted:i'm shocked that "tulsi gabbard is a russian asset" bullshit conspiracy mongering is back in the primary thread She's NOT a Russian Asset (duh). The correct term is "Useful Idiot." Her stance on the Impeachment is frankly attention-getting nonsense. Give a Republican a few beers and ask them what they would have done if Obama had pulled this same poo poo that Trump did with Ukraine.
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Can we leave the Russian bullshit to some other (more stupid) thread and talk about the real threats to America? By that I mean every Republican and every Succdem currently in an office or in some lanyard position.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA https://twitter.com/libbycwatson/status/1207740358513381378?s=20 Elizabeth Warren is proudly endorsed by a loving serial killer.
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Gripweed posted:AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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FlamingLiberal posted:Apparently that endorsement is already gone Of course it is. Trust Elizabeth Warren to take a bold stance and then immediately retreat at the slightest pushback.
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I'm sure we'll see the same if not greater amount of outrage that the liberals poured out on Cenk Uygur... any... day... now.
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I wonder if there are going to be any questions at the "debate" about the documents proving the US government has been nonstop lying to America about the Afghanistan War for 18 years
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SKULL.GIF posted:I'm sure we'll see the same if not greater amount of outrage that the liberals poured out on Cenk Uygur... any... day... now. Not seeing any sexism there though.
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Lightning Knight posted:This is way too stupid for me to want to believe but I’m sure there’s video so l m a o Not only is there video, but the cops saw that they were being recorded (and livestreamed!) and were too stupid to turn it off correctly. They turned the camera around so it couldn't see them anymore, but didn't realize was still recording audio the whole time.
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Main Paineframe posted:They turned the camera around so it couldn't see them anymore, but didn't realize was still recording audio the whole time. Ah yes, the Master Race
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https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/1207748494003507200 I will never understand why some Dem candidates keep pushing "universal public service" Like, is there actually a voter anywhere who goes, "Universal public service? gently caress yeah, I'm sold!"
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/1207748494003507200 It's dumb poo poo that centrists nod along with and think is a good idea but no one intends to actually pass it and no one cares either way.
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DaveWoo posted:Like, is there actually a voter anywhere who goes, "Universal public service? gently caress yeah, I'm sold!" Have you ever talked to the kind of person who is secure in the knowledge that their wealth/age/family connections would get them an exemption about what should be done with all the young people smoking and joking on the street corners. Anyhoo those are the kinds of people that politicians like Patrick talk to exclusively, usually in lavish settings like crystal-decked winecaves, that's why this idea keeps coming back.
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Gripweed posted:https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1207372169002569728?s=20 Wow I'm usually strongly pro-beard but this is very DJT beard energy
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Not by anyone involved with Bernie or his campaign though. A majority of people over 50 and male republicans: quote:Though the idea has never garnered much attention as a national policy proposal, there is support for the concept among segments of the public. A majority of Republicans, including independents who lean Republican, favor it (57%), as do men (57%) and those 65 or older (66%). https://news.gallup.com/poll/221921/half-americans-favor-mandatory-national-service.aspx So basically the people who will never be forced into it.
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Why grow a beard if you can't grow a full one.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Why grow a beard if you can't grow a full one. If he's going full failson-in-law this is mandatory
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I still like the idea of expanding the peace corp or other service programs as long as kids don't get conscripted into it out of high school It could be apart of the universal jobs program
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"we missed one" How many serial killers were on the first draft of the list?
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Gripweed posted:"we missed one" I'm kinda wondering if everyone on the list knows they're on the list. The alternative is they got an Obama list and worked their way down, and whoever was doing it had no idea who Ed Buck is and reached out. e: and so is Libby Watson. This person replied with a plausible story: https://twitter.com/ReneeParadis/status/1207755690183282688 (know nothing about her, but per google she's former OfA and a bunch of other public policy work, not some rando) eviltastic fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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It’s interesting we’re supposed to assume incompetence for establishment democrats, but malice for non-establishment ones. There’s far more evidence that the Democratic Party is actively colluding with the republicans than there is that tulsi is colluding with russia
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Gripweed posted:If you genuinely think there's a reasonable chance that Tulsi Gabbard is acting on behalf of the Russian government, you're a moron. I'd argue you're a moron for discounting the possibility. It explains her more baffling stances on things like Assad that don't line up to any coherent strategy, and I simply don't buy "she's just stupid lol" as a good enough explanation. Edit: I'm not necessarily saying it's the truth, I'm just saying that it is foolish to dismiss it, especially because the only thing most people have to dismiss it with is absence of evidence. Again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And the fact that people on this thread continue to dismiss Russian meddling as a "conspiracy" even though Mueller's investigation detailed in full that they have a dedicated propaganda effort going on in the United States bothers me. Tulsi Gabbard being -at the very least, aligned with Russian interests- is not outside the realm of possibility. MinisterSinister fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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