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VitalSigns posted:This is a great and very interesting distillation of the political discourse today. Yeah, just FYI, this reeks of right-wing "YOU JUST DON'T LIKE HIM CAUSE HE'S NOT PC" bullshit. Again, these are completely unnecessary sentiments he's expressing. AOC, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar all manage to be effective progressives without wishing for the deaths of people they don't like. Ilhan Omar, in particular, can look at a death threat and simply say "I hope he finds peace." Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Some people have forgotten (or never realized) that there's a difference between  and not being a shrieking rear end in a top hat to everyone who doesn't share your precise views.
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If oppressed people openly wish death upon their oppressors then I don't hold that against them, but I will hold elected officials to a higher standard than that. I'd vote for that guy against any Republican but I'd strongly prefer a progressive whose rhetoric is not so violent.
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Non-toxic, non-edgy, polite drawing-room agree-to-disagree discourse: poisoning an entire city to save a buck, airstriking schools and weddings, torture, child prisons, letting your friends profiteer off the misery and anguish of people dying of cancer Toxic, edgy, unacceptable and outside the bounds of civil discourse: any of the above but it happens to the powerful evil people doing it
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VitalSigns posted:Non-toxic, non-edgy, polite drawing-room agree-to-disagree discourse: poisoning an entire city to save a buck, airstriking schools and weddings, torture, child prisons, letting your friends profiteer off the misery and anguish of people dying of cancer my dude I helped out a dsa state legislative delegate in maryland get elected. he has introduced a bill banning private ICE detention centers, got older people to be receptive to the idea of red vienna government housing by calling it vienna style housing, and isn't afraid to boost work of the local dsa chapters on his official social media and he didn't need to be an edgy rear end in a top hat to get elected even though he and his hometown literally got poisoned by monsanto
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Did I say anyone "needed" to be? All I said was it's weird to me that some completely true, and in comparison to the massive insane mindboggling violence actually perpetrated by the American state every day let alone defended and championed in the most 'respectable' circles of the country, fairly unremarkable sentiments are edgy and assholish because the subject is the elite instead of the masses of people it's normally considered okay to espouse violence towards. E: I guess I just don't understand political discourse, except that I suppose we're all heavily conditioned to simply accept the mass violence of the status quo as normal, and truly cold-blooded defenses of that as unremarkable, so that's all treated as nonviolent civil discourse, and thus only speech that falls outside the realm of customary everyday state violence can actually be violent or radical or edgy or smug or assholish or whatever terms come to mind. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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the mass violence of the status quo is normal, and has been normal for the entire existence of the human race, and its not something you change by being a sneering rear end in a top hat
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I mean it's not like being polite has eradicated it either.
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We really don’t need leftist candidates following the Republican example and openly calling for the deaths of our political rivals.
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Unfortunately for that guy most people voting in the election he is running in like Obama so I'm not sure what the point is
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Maybe because most people don't know about the horrible things Obama actually did
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VitalSigns posted:Maybe because most people don't know about the horrible things Obama actually did Calling for his death isn’t going to help spread that message.
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Is he calling for Obama's death, because in the tweet he's calling for Obama to undergo the same experience that impoverished cancer patients have in the healthcare system that Obama established. If that amounts to an unjust and unnecessary death sentence, seems like the responsibility for that is Obama's no? Anyway, it might spread that message, it might not. When people ask him why, they hear things about Obama that the corporate media doesn't tell them.
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VitalSigns posted:Is he calling for Obama's death, because in the tweet he's calling for Obama to undergo the same experience that impoverished cancer patients have in the healthcare system that Obama established. If that amounts to an unjust and unnecessary death sentence, seems like the responsibility for that is Obama's no? Calling for the death of a former president, particularly a popular former president, is not a winning electoral strategy.
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You don't know that, we would need to do an experiment with a large enough sample size to tell for sure. And anyway he wasn't calling for Obama's death.
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VitalSigns posted:Maybe because most people don't know about the horrible things Obama actually did One weird trick that can turn anyone into a leftist! Establishment dems hate him! Many of them don't see those things as being all that bad
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VitalSigns posted:You don't know that, we would need to do an experiment with a large enough sample size to tell for sure. Go out with that message to your local community and see how it works.
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Taerkar posted:One weird trick that can turn anyone into a leftist! Establishment dems hate him! I guess I don't think mass murdering children and poisoning poor people is cool even if it's popular E: Even if a hip celebrity who takes great selfies does it. I get that this sounds incomprehensible to most people. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Dec 20, 2019 |
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i don't think white southener wishing black politician gets cancer is the framing you want to lead with if you want to talk about the failings of the obama administration lol
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Can someone point me at a primer for Sue Altman? I got hit by a survey run by Norcross and I learned that we may actually have a real progressive running where I live! I know absolutely nothing about her though, please help!
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If anyone in this thread ever wants to get involved in local politics around the Delaware area, please PM me. I run the campaign of a man running for General Assembly here and I am a core team member on Jessica Scarane for US Senate. It'd be great to see mid-Atlantic goons involved with either!
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So I posted this in USPOL too but I'll inflict it on you guys too, if it can distract from presidential cancer wishes or whatever: So you guys probably have seen this, but a podcast I listen to has done a three part story about the Alabama Democratic party that is both absolutely fascinating and infuriating. Here's a link to the first part: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/llhd33/152-the-real-enemy-part-1 If you want a good demonstration of the hurdles Democrats have to jump to create a coherent party, the scars institutional racism can leave behind, and how much even "good intentions" can look bad when filtered through politics, here's your story. Any Alabamians involved in state level stuff here? I'm curious if after all this got pulled out into the light there were any lasting changes and good candidates we can talk about. Edit: fixed link, thanks for pointing that out! LegionAreI fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Dec 27, 2019 |
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Dec 25, 2019 22:42
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Surprised there isn't more discussion about an eighth of Miluwakee citizens losing their voting rights by the Wisconsin Govt.
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LegionAreI posted:So I posted this in USPOL too but I'll inflict it on you guys too, if it can distract from presidential cancer wishes or whatever: Fixed your link
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https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1214173789166149633 Larry Hogan is a real piece of poo poo and I am so glad he is term-limited. Granted, he is fulfilling a campaign promise here so it isn't really that surprising or the kind of corruption we are used to from *gestures wildly everywhere* but he is severely damaging transit for road widening that just doesnt loving work and it is maddening
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https://twitter.com/allyschweitzer/status/1220736524658061312 This is loving amazing. 2019 election is already paying dividends!
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It’s really amazing what’s going on in Virginia right now. Too bad most of it is getting overshadowed by gun discourse.
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Lee Carter got a shout out in the Post for getting his first bill passed in VA. 
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Danica is also seeing some solid success on several of her bills. https://twitter.com/pwcdanica/status/1221095508850225155?s=21 Really happy with how things are progressing in Virginia. It’s been a dismal couple of years so it’s nice to feel optimistic about something for a change.
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Ballz posted:Danica is also seeing some solid success on several of her bills.
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https://twitter.com/JoshuaCole/status/1222346231185379328 gently caress. I really wanted this to happen. Oh well, as he said, there is always next year!
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https://twitter.com/JoshuaCole/status/1222357556850561024 AUTOMATIC VOTER REGISTRATION IS OUTTA SUBCOMMITTEE! YEAH BABY!
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friendbot2000 posted:... I'm having one of those "Progress? In MY Virginia?" moments. 
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/JoshuaCole/status/1222346231185379328 So would that have interacted with classroom supplies? Everyone knows that teachers are expected to pay for anything to furnish their own classrooms, sometimes even the textbooks. Did someone not want public school expenditures to go up?
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:So would that have interacted with classroom supplies? Everyone knows that teachers are expected to pay for anything to furnish their own classrooms, sometimes even the textbooks. Did someone not want public school expenditures to go up? That is a possibility worth looking into! I will call some people and see what the reasoning was.
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I wish somebody would tell me what my new Governor Janet Mills is up to besides expanding medicare.
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friendbot2000 posted:That is a possibility worth looking into! I will call some people and see what the reasoning was. I'm just thinking with ink here but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something silly. We had someone argue recently at a town hall meeting that we should take up recycling programs (we should) because we have a significant homelessness problem and "you know, if we're paying 5 cents a can, that can really help". As if collecting cans is going to pay anyone's rent. I should really put together some sort of needle exchange program proposal and pitch that to our mayoral candidates or something. One's a machine Dem and the other is a Libertarian challenger though so I don't expect much.
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Grouchio posted:I wish somebody would tell me what my new Governor Janet Mills is up to besides expanding medicare. Eating lobster, I imagine. Don't all Maine residents have to do that at least once a day? 
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Eating lobster, I imagine. Don't all Maine residents have to do that at least once a day?
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Grouchio posted:gently caress no we don't. We also don't wear lumberjack clothing all the time. I know! It's one of my favorite places in the world, because I'm an uber-bougie white gently caress
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