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So I take it X-Force is still going down the "life is cheap and now we can horrifically maim and murder all our protagonists over and over in gruesome detail" route?
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if seeing Quentin Quire get decapitated doesn't make you smile i don't know what will tbh
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Dec 19, 2019 18:57
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Eh, they're the government covert foreign intelligence Agency for Krakoa. That makes them a mutant equivalent to the US covert foreign intelligence agency. That being the CIA. It's a statement of function, not morality. Not like anyone but Kurt would know what anyone was talking about if they said the Mutant BND. Mutant MI6, maybe.
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So did Tabby ever actually go by Doctor Madame Mcsplode? Had to be something to do with Nextwave, but I don't remember that.
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Alaois posted:if seeing Quentin Quire get decapitated doesn't make you smile i don't know what will tbh It's hard to take that last page seriously because of that, I just found it funny. Speaking as someone who likes the guy.
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Dec 19, 2019 19:34
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Looking it up, she throws the name out in Cable & X-Force #11 but only as some sort of ill-conceived "undercover" alias for providing a distraction as a "mutant menace". I has assumed it was a weird rib on Moondragon's original alias being [DOCTOR] MADAME MACEVIL  I guess it might still be, just one made by Dennis Hopeless, not Ben Percy.
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Dec 19, 2019 19:36
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Edge & Christian posted:Looking it up, she throws the name out in Cable & X-Force #11 but only as some sort of ill-conceived "undercover" alias for providing a distraction as a "mutant menace". *Ed Brisson, that bit was from this week's New Mutants, not X-Force. 
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Whoops, I just remember Sage saying it and assuming it was in X-Force, not New Mutants. I read both back to back.
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Dec 19, 2019 19:59
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Alaois posted:if seeing Quentin Quire get decapitated doesn't make you smile i don't know what will tbh Fantastic. Let's throw in some arms getting torn off and sell it to DC.
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Dec 19, 2019 21:38
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But like, over in New Mutants they're literally starving babies to show off how extreme and dangerous the new threat whose name I can't remember is. By comparison Wolverine and Quire getting killed comes across almost quaint. Just like old times y'know. I do agree with Cabbit that the whole "mutants can come back to life now" clause is making writers more prone to gratuitous violence instead of less. So in a lot of these books it feels like we're reading the same old snuff porn that made X-books so annoying for so many years, but now it carries even less weight.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:49
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BrianWilly posted:But like, over in New Mutants they're literally starving babies to show off how extreme and dangerous the new threat whose name I can't remember is. By comparison Wolverine and Quire getting killed comes across almost quaint. Just like old times y'know. by a lot of these books do you just mean "X-Force and Fallen Angels" because I'm not reading those and not really seeing any of this in the other books
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Dec 20, 2019 00:07
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Other than the New Mutants issue I just mentioned, Pixie and Anole and a buncha other young mutants get killed off in X-Men #2. Technically they just get covered by solid slime and left there for hours, but I'm pretty sure none of them are able to breathe through solid slime, so.
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Dec 20, 2019 02:14
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I think that's a weird assumption when there's no inference that they're dead and Hordeculture doesn't kill the three people that directly tried to attack them
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Dec 20, 2019 02:38
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Just going by what the issue shows. If someone drops Hawkeye in the middle of the ocean, or buries him twelve feet under solid rock, my first ever thought isn’t “ah, so very nonlethal,” it’s “is he going to be rescued before he, y’know, dies?”
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Pixie is literally talking to them through the slime in the first page of the book and both Shaw and Cyclops get sprayed in the face with the slime (that's described in the comic as being a mutant-power-neutralizer) so it does in fact seem like a stretch to assume that it suffocates everyone to death. There are all sorts of ice/forcefield/slime/energy fields/superscience liquids people use as weapons in the Marvel Universe that let people breathe because [super science reasons]. There are (to my knowledge) zero oceans or building-sized slabs of rock in the Marvel Universe that normal humans can breathe in.
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She talks to them with her last breath before her air runs out and she begins to suffocate to death. None of the other encased mutants make any other sound, even as the shots pan over to show them in their final terrified moments. *shrug* Just telling you what the issue shows. I’m sure there’s any number of fictional reasons why that slime might not literally kill people in the exact way that it looks like it’s doing, but none of those reasons were offered in the issue (the fact that it neutralizes powers would make it more dangerous to certain mutants, not less), so I’m not going out of my way to imagine those reasons for the writer much like I don’t think criminals are shooting rubber bullets or blanks or whatever whenever Spider-Man or Captain America are under fire.
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Dec 20, 2019 03:18
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BrianWilly posted:But like, over in New Mutants they're literally starving babies to show off how extreme and dangerous the new threat whose name I can't remember is. By comparison Wolverine and Quire getting killed comes across almost quaint. Just like old times y'know. Holy poo poo, I didn't even catch Quire the first time around.
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BrianWilly posted:She talks to them with her last breath before her air runs out and she begins to suffocate to death. None of the other encased mutants make any other sound, even as the shots pan over to show them in their final terrified moments. quote:*shrug* Just telling you what the issue shows. I’m sure there’s any number of fictional reasons why that slime might not literally kill people in the exact way that it looks like it’s doing, but none of those reasons were offered in the issue (the fact that it neutralizes powers would make it more dangerous to certain mutants, not less), so I’m not going out of my way to imagine those reasons for the writer much like I don’t think criminals are shooting rubber bullets or blanks or whatever whenever Spider-Man or Captain America are under fire. Because *shrug* just reading the comic *shrug* but I assume Cyclops and Sebastian Shaw got murdered and resurrected off-panel too, because I can only go by what I see in the comic and they're on the ground not moving and they've got slime on their faces, I know I can't get knocked across a field with slime on my face without dying. This has to infuriate you with how many people are resurrected with zero explanation -- not even with the mutant MacGuffin resurrection that the X-Men have -- in like literally every superhero comic book on the stands. I know Daredevil's been killed off like six times in Zdarsky's run alone.
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Dec 20, 2019 04:15
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I'm shocked to discover BrianWilly doesn't like something
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It isn't like Pixie isn't still all over the place, and is even going to be in Yung Cable apparently so I'd have to think E&C's probably right.
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I mean, she'd be resurrected quickly nonetheless so I dunno how her continued existence would prove that she hadn't in fact died in issue 2.Endless Mike posted:I'm shocked to discover BrianWilly doesn't like something Blockhouse asked me a question and I answered it. Take it or leave it, or else have a yet another weird meltdown over it like whatshisname over there. *shrug* Do you.
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Alaois posted:if seeing Quentin Quire get decapitated doesn't make you smile i don't know what will tbh Benjamin Percy is good now
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Nice shrugdown
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Dec 20, 2019 04:49
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Knock it off or it's six-hour slime-out for both of you.
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If getting dogpiled for no reason is grounds for a probation now then go ahead and slime away. I've done nothing wrong here other than to annoy the wrong crowd, apparently. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BrianWilly posted:If getting dogpiled for no reason is grounds for a probation now then go ahead and slime away. I've done nothing wrong here other than to annoy the wrong crowd, apparently. No-Prize Notice: There are air holes in the six-hour slime.
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Have any of these books completed an arc yet? I tried reading a couple after HoX/PoX finished and I just can't handle an ongoing comic series, there's just too much waiting in between story bites. (Had that problem during HoX/PoX too, but I put up with it because I thought there would be a cool Hickman twist coming soon.)
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New Mutants' first ended with them being drafted for the Imperial Guard. Sorta.
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Phenotype posted:Have any of these books completed an arc yet? I tried reading a couple after HoX/PoX finished and I just can't handle an ongoing comic series, there's just too much waiting in between story bites. (Had that problem during HoX/PoX too, but I put up with it because I thought there would be a cool Hickman twist coming soon.) Not yet. February will be when every book hits issue six, and new X books start popping up, like Wolverine and X-Men Unlimited, and X-Men/Fantastic Four. Unfortunately for your, the trades for the first six issues of the original six books will be one issue of each book per trade, under the title Dawn of X. Starts on February 25th, there will be a trade coming out every two weeks until May. The trade dress for the first volume looks really slick, and after the first six issues are all collected, future trades will be title specific.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Unfortunately for your, the trades for the first six issues of the original six books will be one issue of each book per trade, under the title Dawn of X. What on earth? This seems bananas, especially given how broad a quality gap there is between the best of the bunch and the worst of the bunch. And these volumes are $24-$18 each? Who in their right mind is going to pay $115 to read the first arc of Maurauders if they don't give a poo poo about X-Force or Fallen Angels or whatever?
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Archyduchess posted:What on earth? This seems bananas, especially given how broad a quality gap there is between the best of the bunch and the worst of the bunch. And these volumes are $24-$18 each? Who in their right mind is going to pay $115 to read the first arc of Maurauders if they don't give a poo poo about X-Force or Fallen Angels or whatever? Yeah, it's really, really dumb.
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Based on Marvel's solicitations, they're doing Dawn of X trades that collect an issue of apiece of X-Men, X-Force, Marauders, Excalibur, Fallen Angels, and New Mutants. They've solicited six of them so far, and each one costs $17.99. They'll be coming out January through March. Also in March, they solicited regular ol' trades like X-Men by Jonathan Hickman v1 Marauders by Gerry Duggan v1 Excalibur by Tini Howard v1 It's just those three so far for March, but Amazon has them for the other books due in April/May. So the Dawn of X trades are in addition to, not in place of the traditional trades. They got announced sooner because the first one (collecting all of the first issues) is supposed to be out in a few weeks. It's silly but doesn't seem to be disrupting the regular/more sensible way of collecting the books.
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https://twitter.com/cracksh0t/status/1208066325614125058?s=20
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Open Marriage Night posted:Not yet. February will be when every book hits issue six, and new X books start popping up, like Wolverine and X-Men Unlimited, and X-Men/Fantastic Four. Given the rate that they're re-scheduling X-Men issues, there's a very good chance that X-Men won't be at #6 by February.
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I'm honestly counting down the days until an author uses the "no one can die" rule for comedy. Team X-treme or X-plosion or X-Sanguinate or whatever random team dies increasingly over the top deaths and gets increasingly ornery and frustrated repeatedly Kamikaze'ing some threat. By the end of the arc it's just full on Looney Tunes with these pissed off mutants getting repeatedly clowned on until they figure out how to win.
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galagazombie posted:I'm honestly counting down the days until an author uses the "no one can die" rule for comedy. Team X-treme or X-plosion or X-Sanguinate or whatever random team dies increasingly over the top deaths and gets increasingly ornery and frustrated repeatedly Kamikaze'ing some threat. By the end of the arc it's just full on Looney Tunes with these pissed off mutants getting repeatedly clowned on until they figure out how to win. It's gonna be the Great Lakes Avengers. Half that team are mutants anyway, and you know someone has some sort of idea rattling around in their head about how Mr. Immortal must feel about the fact that every mutant is biting his gimmick.
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galagazombie posted:I'm honestly counting down the days until an author uses the "no one can die" rule for comedy. Team X-treme or X-plosion or X-Sanguinate or whatever random team dies increasingly over the top deaths and gets increasingly ornery and frustrated repeatedly Kamikaze'ing some threat. By the end of the arc it's just full on Looney Tunes with these pissed off mutants getting repeatedly clowned on until they figure out how to win. I feel like I've said this a few times but it legitimately feels to me like that's the direction Percy is taking X-Force in. Like, this page seems explicitly framed as comedic. 
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