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Dec 20, 2019 22:14
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Thanatosian posted:Yuuuuuuuup. what possible "regulation," short of removing the profit motive from phone and app development entirely (which - to be clear - would be good, but isn't happening overnight), could be enacted that would successfully address the issue without pissing everyone off and causing way more problems than it solved like I'm not saying there's no issues with smartphones but that really doesn't seem like the right way to go about it
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Dec 20, 2019 22:15
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SwissArmyDruid posted:"All this technology is making us antisocial"
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Dec 20, 2019 22:16
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Tear down all cell towers. (I work at a major telco)
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Dec 20, 2019 22:17
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KozmoNaut posted:Tear down all cell towers. The more you're exposed to the technology the less you like it. I certainly don't like smartphones but removing them would only be a stopgap until the next hellscape engine arrived. Smartphones also have significant useful functionality. My ventilator has machine learning. I have a pretty bad case of the flu. The AI went all fuckwise as a result and I find myself trying to sleep while an AI keeps insisting I used to be healthier and demands I return to that state so it can keep using the values it had previously, and as a result keeps cutting off my loving air. I hate Device. But ultimately the problem with Device exists without Device, Device just lets people pretend it's Device and not people.
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Dec 20, 2019 22:23
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When you guillotine a smartphone do you cut off the top with the camera or the bottom with the charging port, because the camera is kind of like an eyeball which is the face but the charging port is like a mouth for electrons which is also the face, asking for a friend
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Dec 20, 2019 23:11
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blatman posted:When you guillotine a smartphone do you cut off the top with the camera or the bottom with the charging port, because the camera is kind of like an eyeball which is the face but the charging port is like a mouth for electrons which is also the face, asking for a friend You slice it long-ways, so the front and the back come apart. (Fun fact: this method of guillotining is the only method known to science for opening an iPhone.)
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Dec 20, 2019 23:19
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SwissArmyDruid posted:"All this technology is making us antisocial" drat this gave me memories of people actually reading newspapers in public. i actually forgot people used to do that. drat im old.
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Dec 20, 2019 23:25
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:drat this gave me memories of people actually reading newspapers in public. i actually forgot people used to do that. drat im old. most of them were randomly wandering their eyes around the pages of their giant "i do not want to hold a conversation with you" flag.
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Dec 20, 2019 23:27
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actionjackson posted:Actually they are problems with smartphones because they are designed to cause this behavior. yeah but I just stare at the forums all day and nobody is making shitposting addictive I don't think
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Dec 20, 2019 23:27
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blatman posted:When you guillotine a smartphone do you cut off the top with the camera or the bottom with the charging port, because the camera is kind of like an eyeball which is the face but the charging port is like a mouth for electrons which is also the face, asking for a friend
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Dec 20, 2019 23:28
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In case it wasn't clear I'm not advocating actually banning smartphones or some ridiculous poo poo (however I'd certainly be happy if they went away). However you have to acknowledge that tons of money has gone into making their apps as addictive as possible. Not only that, but when apps are designed to fight against this (as mentioned in the 60 minutes video) they are categorically rejected by Apple and Google. I read the book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" and everything down to the color, shape and size of the FB notification icon goes through testing to find which one draws the most attention. There is nothing else remotely similar to this experience (again books, newspapers, etc. as mentioned above are completely different). Being 37 (  ) and remembering what is was like well before smartphones and unlimited internet, I see smartphones as a whole as an absolute negative. Certainly the privacy and tracking issues strengthen this argument. actionjackson has issued a correction as of 00:00 on Dec 21, 2019 |
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Dec 20, 2019 23:55
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There were five people clogging the kimball platform after work today, because they were trying to walk and internet with varying amounts of success. The only reason I didn’t record it for the thread is that I’m still sane enough to realize recording strangers without permission in order to prove a point to other strangers online is absolutely buckwild. Also lol to the self tattlin’ brain weirdo that tried to argue this is normal because humans are naturally antisocial. The two reasons humankind got this far was the ingenuity to invent pointy sticks and the natural social ability to bond and poke big things with them as a group.
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Dec 21, 2019 00:13
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it's kind of a strange approach regardless of which side you're on bc half the point of smartphones is to communicate with people
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Dec 21, 2019 00:24
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mysterious frankie posted:There were five people clogging the kimball platform after work today, because they were trying to walk and internet with varying amounts of success. The only reason I didn’t record it for the thread is that I’m still sane enough to realize recording strangers without permission in order to prove a point to other strangers online is absolutely buckwild. Agreed with lol at "humans are asocial" however... Humans are social... for the main 100 people they know and care about. Anyone else is a stranger who could be good or be a serial killer, let's play it safe. To me the issue is that we are being slow to admit the limits of the human mind because our society steeped itself deeply into the Enlightenment idea of pure rationality and will. And welp, were just cleaned up circus animals who found a stick that can destroy the Earth, and smashing in that neaderthal's head worked out so, we're waving it.
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Dec 21, 2019 00:44
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Capitalism must be destroyed before they get ahold of technology that will usher in post-humans.
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Dec 21, 2019 00:46
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actionjackson posted:Maybe I was being a bit of an rear end there, but I'm serious. I've seen the following many times: in the days before smartphones i did poo poo like this all the time with books it's got nothing to do with electronics, and everything to do with people not wanting to stand around and be bored when they have some mentally interesting thing that they can carry with them actionjackson posted:I literally responded to the newspaper and book thing. Besides no stopping rules, those items are being manipulated by a team of engineers based on your reaction to it, and other newspapers and books. you think newspapers aren't being manipulated by a team of experts trying to make it as desirable to read as possible? the real danger isn't the engineers, it's the editors and marketers what you're not getting is that "trying to figure out how to make things as addictive as possible" isn't something that was only invented in 2005. it's been an integral part of basically every piece of media created in the last half-century (if not longer). just look at people with crippling addictions to poo poo like Transformers or Sonic the Hedgehog or Star Wars. the internet has made these people more visible, but they were made slaves of media decades ago
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Dec 21, 2019 00:53
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Personally I think the public phone usage thing is partly because they’re addictive but mainly because living in the moment, right now, sucks one and the best solution “polite” liberal society offers to its membership is to tut the people who have not yet realized we have shared values, so people are watching top ten New Anchor Fails while walking instead of looking where they’re going, since where they’re going is a cyberpunk landfill run by capitalists that wear jeans with their blazers, thus rendering them cool. And I get that. I am generally listening to music or podcasts while outside, but my alienation from my environment still allows me to successfully navigate it without being a total rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 21, 2019 01:02
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Main Paineframe posted:in the days before smartphones i did poo poo like this all the time with books Of course newspapers, books etc. can have good or bad content, or can be written in a way to bring someone in. I certainly don't necessarily trust newspapers! But your experience with these items is still radically different from a smartphone. That's all I'm trying to say. the content of a book or newspaper is static; it isn't manipulated (in real time!) by a team of engineers based on not only your specific consumption, but the consumption of others the maker or the (physical) book or newspaper doesn't collect information about you while you read their material and sell it to third parties the book or newspaper doesn't make vibrations, sounds, or other distractions to try to get you to pay attention to it again. the book or newspaper doesn't allow others to track your location. the book or newspaper doesn't trigger FOMO. for starters. do you really think people reading/using books in public is at anywhere near the level of compulsive smartphone usage that we have today? do we have people compulsively reaching for a book that's not there, as some do with smartphones? are people interrupting their lives every 10-15 minutes to check their books, even in inappropriate situations such as while driving? actionjackson has issued a correction as of 01:35 on Dec 21, 2019 |
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Dec 21, 2019 01:24
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Last year my friends and I were on a trip and found ourselves sitting around a table at a cafeteria, all on our phones. A friendly old lady who worked there came and sat down with us to say hello but to also point out how antisocial we were being. We got a long lecture about how everybody stares at their phones all the time and how we're a lost generation. No one thought to tell her, but the fact is we were all staring at our phones because we were communicating to each other in a thread, plus texting one or two other friends who couldn't attend who we also wanted to keep in the loop. Talking in person would have been more exclusive.
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Dec 21, 2019 01:29
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suck it old lady
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Dec 21, 2019 01:38
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capitalism sucks and smart phones can be an always connected always nearby constantly updated gateway for personalized capitalism machines that effect its innate tendency to alienate selves in a powerful way therefor 
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Dec 21, 2019 01:47
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Delete all social media apps, turn off all notifications except calls and messages sent directly to you, put phone in permanent do-not-disturb mode, fight the urge to check it every 5 minutes. Then you can sort of kind of get away with owning a smartphone, without it monopolizing your time.
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Dec 21, 2019 01:53
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this thread devolves into a sort of Luddite position sometimes and it’s weird. and not the actual luddites but their straw man caricature versions
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Dec 21, 2019 01:57
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Last year my friends and I were on a trip and found ourselves sitting around a table at a cafeteria, all on our phones. A friendly old lady who worked there came and sat down with us to say hello but to also point out how antisocial we were being. We got a long lecture about how everybody stares at their phones all the time and how we're a lost generation. No one thought to tell her, but the fact is we were all staring at our phones because we were communicating to each other in a thread, plus texting one or two other friends who couldn't attend who we also wanted to keep in the loop. Talking in person would have been more exclusive. im with the old lady on this one
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Dec 21, 2019 01:59
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Some old lady should mind her own business if all she wanted to do was cuss out people engaging in a harmless activity that they enjoy
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Dec 21, 2019 02:01
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taqueso posted:Some old lady should mind her own business if all she wanted to do was cuss out people engaging in a harmless activity that they enjoy Agreed but it is funny to not just leave it there and instead justify their behavior with an essay about how they’re actually disrupting the old paradigms of chilling.
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Dec 21, 2019 02:03
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oh that old lady is definitely rude but sitting around a table chatting to each other on your phones while not speaking is weird as gently caress
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Dec 21, 2019 02:05
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mysterious frankie posted:Agreed but it is funny to not just leave it there and instead justify their behavior with an essay about how they’re actually disrupting the old paradigms of chilling. Within the previous models I would need to schedule five separate hang seshes whereas now, thanks to the cloud, I am able to condense these interactions into one unending Megasesh.
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Dec 21, 2019 02:06
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Main Paineframe posted:in the days before smartphones i did poo poo like this all the time with books Smartphones are more like heroin.
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Dec 21, 2019 02:16
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i guess we were organizing a meet up with the other friends at the time which is why it was funny, we weren't just posting memes at each other or something
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Dec 21, 2019 02:24
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actionjackson posted:Of course newspapers, books etc. can have good or bad content, or can be written in a way to bring someone in. I certainly don't necessarily trust newspapers! But your experience with these items is still radically different from a smartphone. That's all I'm trying to say. the newspaper is manipulated at least once a day, sometimes more often. it draws people in with new issues containing all new stuff on a daily basis, as well as being plastered everywhere and having big headlines so you'll get interested just from seeing someone else's. the newspaper already knows your location and uses it to drive location-specific content and advertising. it doesn't have vibrations or notifications to keep you reading, but neither do the online newspapers and e-books I sometimes read on a smartphone are people compulsively reaching for books? no. but they might compulsively reach for a pager or telephone or PDA or check the mail, because communication is much more engaging and time-sensitive than a book fundamentally, there's nothing wrong with smartphones. they allow people to more easily access media and communication channels. yeah, the media and communication channels are mostly awful, but smartphones haven't fundamentally changed anything. if anything, they've just returned things to the status quo that the internet had (however briefly) shaken up
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Dec 21, 2019 02:33
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as an HCI grad and filthy tech worker, the idea that many smartphone apps aren’t designed to be addictive in the classic sense of the word is naive. companies employ thousands of people like me to work on this poo poo, and it works better than a newspaper ever could. it’s not healthy; smash capitalism.
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Dec 21, 2019 02:51
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smartphones allow me to post on the go therefore they must all be destroyed
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Dec 21, 2019 02:56
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redleader posted:smartphones allow me to post on the go smart phones allow people to read the the latest Trump news and watch Trump gifs while sitting on the toilet.
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Dec 21, 2019 02:57
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redleader posted:smartphones allow me to post on the go I agree, destroy all the technology that lets Garven Dreis post. 
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Dec 21, 2019 03:09
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everything is meant to be addictive, it’s not a new phenomenon. it’s the bread and butter of tabloid journalism
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Dec 21, 2019 03:14
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Do you know how much psychometric research goes into making bread and butter?
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Dec 21, 2019 03:31
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CharlestheHammer posted:everything is meant to be addictive, it’s not a new phenomenon. it’s the bread and butter of tabloid journalism Yeah but were way better at it now
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Dec 21, 2019 03:32
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heroin level tech tree unlocked
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Dec 21, 2019 03:34
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