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You probably need very little aerodynamic gain to compensate for the electronics' energy use. But the total can't be worth it in my opinion. Higher cost, worse view etc. Why not simply put a fisheye lens high up on the B-pillar or on some other way make the view superior to a regular mirror? Or the other way, find a more clever way to package an optical mirror so it makes a little less drag. Partly inside the car, just behind the a-pillar, perhaps that could work.
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Put it just behind the headlights on the fender facing back so it gets less of a blind spot
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Finger Prince posted:(camera dildo in question) This is one of the things giving me heartburn about buying a new EV - we're trading electronic complexity for mechanical complexity. Side mirrors and fenders are already expensive enough to replace without adding in the electronics. I might save a shitload of money on oil changes but how much of a pain in the arse are those cameras going to be after ten years of water infiltration? otoh it seems to be a thing on all cars not just EVs, so I should probably just accept the fact I'm going to get screwed one way or the other. Also, that is really ugly.
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Just put a fisheye inside the glass and make the side windows a slightly different shape.
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Hexigrammus posted:This is one of the things giving me heartburn about buying a new EV - we're trading electronic complexity for mechanical complexity. Side mirrors and fenders are already expensive enough to replace without adding in the electronics. I might save a shitload of money on oil changes but how much of a pain in the arse are those cameras going to be after ten years of water infiltration? Yeah, this Lexus implementation seems particularly bad, you still have the mirror stalk, which I assume has motors to move in and out, plus the lights, still has a pretty significant aerodynamic impact, and can still get broken off. The honda implementation, or maybe a multiple camera merged image would seem to have fewer failure modes.
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Mirrors are not a legal requirement so just leave them off so simple.
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Elephanthead posted:Mirrors are not a legal requirement so just leave them off so simple. I see people driving with folded in mirrors already. Don't see why not.
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Elephanthead posted:Mirrors are not a legal requirement so just leave them off so simple. In California they are.
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Elephanthead posted:Mirrors are not a legal requirement so just leave them off so simple. Citation needed. Edit: You know what, nevermind. The fed requires passenger vehicles have an interior rearview mirror that meets certain field of view requirements as well as a driver's side exterior mirror. Passenger's side exterior mirror is required if the interior mirror doesn't cover a sufficient field of view.
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I think most of the external cameras for mirrors look really bad. The honda one is ok though. Based on my experience using the rearview camera on the bolt though the camera is completely useless when even a few drops of water get on it. so now you need to add a way to clean the camera, adding more complexity.
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Even if side mirrors weren't mandatory, I wouldn't want to own a car without them.
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Ola posted:Even if side mirrors weren't mandatory, I wouldn't want to own a car without them. It varies by country, in the UK you need a driver side mirror (or 'indirect vision device' known by normal people as a camera) and at least one other (rear or offside). Fairly big fines if you don't have visibility.
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I think the Polestar 2 strikes a good balance. They have frameless mirrors which they claim reduce the drag from normal mirrors a decent amount.  Genderfluent posted:I think most of the external cameras for mirrors look really bad. The honda one is ok though. Based on my experience using the rearview camera on the bolt though the camera is completely useless when even a few drops of water get on it. so now you need to add a way to clean the camera, adding more complexity. Does your Bolt have the rear view camera washer? I've seen it on reviews but no idea how well it works.
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Elephanthead posted:Mirrors are not a legal requirement so just leave them off so simple. What country do you live in?
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Camera instead of mirrors suck but it's probably a step towards the AI Driver Full Autonomy poo poo that's gonna happen any day now. Maybe they'd be useful if they could overlay some AR poo poo when you lane change or something.
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I prefer having mirror stalks as long as they have an extra blinker to give a little more info to other drivers. Even if they never see them.
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Why does Iams think I want to see this dogs pendulous nutbag swinging all over the screen for 90 seconds straight why don’t they just have lady dogs make every dog commercial e: sorry wrong thread
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Westy543 posted:I think the Polestar 2 strikes a good balance. They have frameless mirrors which they claim reduce the drag from normal mirrors a decent amount. It works well, but it doesn't stop the main issue, which is that when it rains drops collect on the camera. So in practice you are washing the camera every couple minutes even though the washer works. It's an enormous pain. Maybe if there was a wiper system it would be better.
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bird with big dick posted:Why does Iams think I want to see this dogs pendulous nutbag swinging all over the screen for 90 seconds straight why don’t they just have lady dogs make every dog commercial Underballs are a legal requirement.
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Major Ryan posted:Honda's approach looks much better. Really now, I thought that was the whole entire point of switching mirrors for cameras. You'd think it wouldn't be that hard to set up the camera and lens to match (or even exceed) the field of view of a traditional mirror while keeping it close to the body. Hexigrammus posted:This is one of the things giving me heartburn about buying a new EV - we're trading electronic complexity for mechanical complexity. Side mirrors and fenders are already expensive enough to replace without adding in the electronics. I might save a shitload of money on oil changes but how much of a pain in the arse are those cameras going to be after ten years of water infiltration? Backup cameras have been common for some time now, and I've yet to hear of anyone complaining about water intrusion.
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The honda's camera is still hideous.
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bird with big dick posted:Why does Iams think I want to see this dogs pendulous nutbag swinging all over the screen for 90 seconds straight why don’t they just have lady dogs make every dog commercial What was the right thread?
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Godholio posted:What was the right thread? I want you to know I read this post immediately after your response to someone asking about 360⁰ cameras in mining trucks, where you talk about military procurement of glass cockpits for P-3s aaaaaand B-52s. Not really relevant to dog testicles, nor do I think ill of it, just a funny bit of browsing history.
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Finger Prince posted:I was behind a Lexus ES300 hybrid today, and it had these awful camera dildos stuck where the side mirrors usually would be, and my sister brought up an interesting point. Would the energy savings of the slightly better aerodynamics of the camera dildos outweigh the energy required to run the cameras and screens all the time? Is there a speed at which the the aerodynamic benefits do eclipse the energy requirements of the camera dildo setup? you've been cramming really interesting shapes into yourself
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bird with big dick posted:Why does Iams think I want to see this dogs pendulous nutbag swinging all over the screen for 90 seconds straight why don’t they just have lady dogs make every dog commercial Wrong thread, sure, but how long with it be until a Cybertruck with truck nuts attached is spotted in the wild? [Fake edit: brb opening Blender to make a CAD model for low-poly truck nuts that match the aesthetic]
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You mean like this? https://cybertrucknuts.net/
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Wait how did they model my nuts exactly. I'm sueing.
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Was your dad Max Headroom?
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Tesla now trading at $420. Lol
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Absorbs Smaller Goons posted:You mean like this? quote:This is designed for a real tough man with solid balls. 
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ilkhan posted:Tesla now trading at $420. Lol Merry Christmas to Elon I suppose. He finally got his $420 stock price dream. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1209142364473843713?s=19
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Absorbs Smaller Goons posted:You mean like this? Ah drat it, I'll never be quick enough on the draw to have a successful
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Cockmaster posted:
A drop gets on the camera and the back up display turns into a fisheye video but just for half of the screen
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CannonFodder posted:It's not water intrusion, it's water occlusion. I think Ford has some system where the camera shakes off water droplets which sounds kind of cool. Wish my kia had that sometimes.
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VW and Mercedes have the best solution in my opinion, the badge on the rear hatch serves as both hatch button and camera shield. It flips up when you put the car in reverse.
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bird with big dick posted:Why does Iams think I want to see this dogs pendulous nutbag swinging all over the screen for 90 seconds straight why don’t they just have lady dogs make every dog commercial Two things: 1: is it, in fact, the wrong thread? 2: bless you, dear goon, for leaving the post up instead of deleting it
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priznat posted:I think Ford has some system where the camera shakes off water droplets which sounds kind of cool. Wish my kia had that sometimes.  Ola posted:VW and Mercedes have the best solution in my opinion, the badge on the rear hatch serves as both hatch button and camera shield. It flips up when you put the car in reverse. Wait, where's the camera on a KIA Niro? I thought it was under the spoiler.
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Finger Prince posted:I was behind a Lexus ES300 hybrid today, and it had these awful camera dildos stuck where the side mirrors usually would be, and my sister brought up an interesting point. Would the energy savings of the slightly better aerodynamics of the camera dildos outweigh the energy required to run the cameras and screens all the time? Is there a speed at which the the aerodynamic benefits do eclipse the energy requirements of the camera dildo setup? That definitely could have been make a ton sleeker. That is just low-effort. Absorbs Smaller Goons posted:You mean like this? That's amazing and hilarious.
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Ola posted:VW and Mercedes have the best solution in my opinion, the badge on the rear hatch serves as both hatch button and camera shield. It flips up when you put the car in reverse. I’ve owned enough German cars to immediately have my alarm bells tingling over that one  Regarding cameras I think I am unable to park in cars without all around views now  (not really but it would actually take effort now)
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Just put a fisheye inside the glass and make the side windows a slightly different shape. PBY Catalina.
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