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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Ah yes, time to reclaim the ancient Chinese homeland of Siberia

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Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp
Reclaim rightful Yuan birthright.

Sir Bobert Fishbone
Jan 16, 2006

Beebort
Finally, my senior paper on the Treaty of Nerchinsk will come in handy

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


The Chinese could use the same playbook the Russians did in Ukraine, and Georgia both comparable nations to a nuclear power with the worlds second most powerful military.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

It's that "russian professor explains imminent division of US" map but in reverse

Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

Pretty much.

For now, it seems China is perfectly content with pulling Central Asian states out of Russia's orbit into its own.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Saladman posted:

You should try getting out more and learning about other countries if you seriously think the government in the US is similar in corruption and lack of freedom as Thailand, Mali, Pakistan, Ukraine, etc, all of which are in the "partly free" category. Hot takes like "the US is a dictatorship lol" makes you look like a spoiled and wannabe edgy 17 year old.

I'm sorry, but even if the scale of corruption and lack of freedom in the USA isn't the same as in Pakistan, I believe that a country that criminalizes doctors for not performing an impossible operation, denies the right to vote to hundreds of thousands of people, put a rapist on its highest court, and puts children in death camps, has forfeited the right to call itself a "free" country.

DrSunshine fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Dec 23, 2019

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

DrSunshine posted:

I'm sorry, but even if the scale of corruption and lack of freedom in the USA isn't the same as in Pakistan, I believe that a country that criminalizes doctors for not performing an impossible operation, denies the right to vote to hundreds of thousands of people, put a rapist on its highest court, and puts children in death camps, has forfeited the right to call itself a "free" country.

I get what you're saying but the Ohio abortion bill you linked to is not a law and almost certainly won't become one in its current form.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

DrSunshine posted:

I'm sorry, but even if the scale of corruption and lack of freedom in the USA isn't the same as in Pakistan, I believe that a country that criminalizes doctors for not performing an impossible operation, denies the right to vote to hundreds of thousands of people, put a rapist on its highest court, and puts children in death camps, has forfeited the right to call itself a "free" country.

Yeah again you're preaching to a choir of mostly american leftists here and still coming off as privileged as gently caress

Like let's take Kavanaugh, what kind of men do you think run "free" countries like Canada and France, the ones I know personally? Do you think they're different from Kavanaugh?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

I see China will conquer Siberia long before they reclaim Taiwan. Priorities, man.

Russia will be so weakened by the event that they will hand Crimea back to Ukraine, too.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Third world war starts when TCM peddlers decide ground mammoth makes a better boner medicine than rhino horn.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

A heavily broken democracy is not the same thing as a dictatorship, in a not-very-important distinction that monarchies also use to define themselves as not dictatorships from being beholden to some kind of aristocracy.

Not that sticking to that definition makes the map much more valid.


I'm sure the Chinese definitely want to start a massive war over some of the most sparsely populated land on the planet.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Yeah again you're preaching to a choir of mostly american leftists here and still coming off as privileged as gently caress

Like let's take Kavanaugh, what kind of men do you think run "free" countries like Canada and France, the ones I know personally? Do you think they're different from Kavanaugh?

Yes, most countries, even those with pathological leadership, are quite different from the American pathology, which you chose to embody in Kavanaugh. Like President Jupiter is a different breed of elitist gently caress up than Kavanaugh altogether.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

steinrokkan posted:

Yes, most countries, even those with pathological leadership, are quite different from the American pathology, which you chose to embody in Kavanaugh. Like President Jupiter is a different breed of elitist gently caress up than Kavanaugh altogether.

But in terms of whether they'd cry over a calendar and beer rather than in terms of being a rich privileged rapist with connections

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Uh, no. That's some stupid Freudian bullshit.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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This map is from 2014 and should be put in a museum to document how insane everyone got post-2008 vis-a-vis China

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

Saladman posted:

Are we looking at the same maps? The map that I thought you were referring to, KOGAHAZAN!!'s, is on a pixel grid and is supposed to be proportional in population, with 1 pixel = 500k people. In which case Alaska, at 700k people, would get 1 pixel (which it indeed has). ... It does not make PNG seem to have 3x the population as Australia, unless you're terrible at counting pixels? Australia has like 3x as many pixels as PNG, which is exactly proportional to their populations.

500k people is the "wikipedia-accepted cutoff" for a microcountry, which I guess is why they used it as a cutoff for 1 pixel, and 250k as the "not drawn at all" cutoff.

E: There's some minor shenanigans going on in that map though, like Mauritius at 1.2m gets 4 pixels versus Estonia at 1.3m getting 3 pixels. It's still a cool map imo but yeah there are some minor issues.

The countries are proportional to population, yes. But it's random on if specific parts of the countries are. In Indonesia, Java is geographically proportionate to the other islands, but population-wise it should dwarf Western New Guinea. And Alaska is populationally proportionate to the lower 48, but geography-wise it should be much larger than it is.

I never said PNG - I said Western New Guinea. The Indonesian side, which is scaled for a country of 270 million and not an island half of 4 million.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
You could apply the same criticism to a whole bunch of countries. Like obviously Japan or the Philippines aren't scaled on an island basis either. The US is displayed differently because it's a noncontiguous nation that is also federated, while Indonesia, Japan or the Philippines are unitary states.

OTOH you could argue that Malaysia, as a noncontiguous federated country is not treated equally to the US because the Borneo states are not proportionate to the mainland ones.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Dec 23, 2019

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

steinrokkan posted:

You could apply the same criticism to a whole bunch of countries. Like obviously Japan or the Philippines aren't scaled on an island basis either. The US is displayed differently because it's a noncontiguous nation that is also federated, while Indonesia, Japan or the Philippines are unitary states.

OTOH you could argue that Malaysia, as a noncontiguous federated country is not treated equally to the US because the Borneo states are not proportionate to the mainland ones.

I'm just saying they should be consistent. If they're going to scale Alaska based on population, then they should also scale Western New Guinea based on population. Rightly, Alaska should be much larger on this map (and the lower 48 correspondingly smaller).

It's just a peeve of mine when mapmakers make Alaska, French Guiana, etc. different entities from the larger part of their countries.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Well, I think it's fair to use different standards based on whether a given country is federated or unitary.... Unfortunately this map is not consistent in this regard either, so it's probably just a product of being made by one guy choosingexpediency over accuacy.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

steinrokkan posted:

Uh, no. That's some stupid Freudian bullshit.

Well you’ve already put more thought into my post than me, but in the mean time I still see a bunch of white colonial countries ruled by rapist rich white guys

Different sorts of white tho

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Well you’ve already put more thought into my post than me, but in the mean time I still see a bunch of white colonial countries ruled by rapist rich white guys

Different sorts of white tho

Calling Macron a rapist adds nothing to the analysis of why he's awful, it just makes you easier to dismiss because you focus on a fictional crime of his instead of the plethora of real monstrosities he's helped to come to life.

Sir Bobert Fishbone
Jan 16, 2006

Beebort


I'm New Orleans

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007


Literally a bad Tom Clancy book.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Imagine the logistics of trying to invade and occupy Siberia.


steinrokkan posted:

Calling Macron a rapist adds nothing to the analysis of why he's awful, it just makes you easier to dismiss because you focus on a fictional crime of his instead of the plethora of real monstrosities he's helped to come to life.

He is French though so one can pretty safely assume he's some sort of sex pervert in addition to being a monstrous neo-liberal colonialist.

Kobal2
Apr 29, 2019

FreudianSlippers posted:

He is French though so one can pretty safely assume he's some sort of sex pervert in addition to being a monstrous neo-liberal colonialist.

I mean he married his high school teacher and they started loving when he was 15 at which point her daughter was his classmate sooo, yes ?

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

I thought it was like: Germans are the sex perverts, Frenchmen are the sex criminals?

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
And the British are sex pests?

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

DrSunshine posted:

And the British are sex pests?

We had Jimmy Savile, so that's fair.

MinisterSinister
Dec 17, 2019

Apparently according to this map, Chicago is directly in the middle of Indiana.

Considering how often errors like these are made, I'm beginning to think the majority of Americans outside of the Midwest could not find Chicago on an unlabeled map. They'd probably just say it's "somewhere in the middle."

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

MinisterSinister posted:

Apparently according to this map, Chicago is directly in the middle of Indiana.

Considering how often errors like these are made, I'm beginning to think the majority of Americans outside of the Midwest could not find Chicago on an unlabeled map. They'd probably just say it's "somewhere in the middle."

Every city’s placement is wrong, but Bozeman’s is the wrongest.

It’s a least a thousand kilometres off.

New York and especially New Orleans are way too far from the coast.

San Francisco doesn’t look as wrong, but it’s somewhere near the Oregon border.

Platystemon fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Dec 23, 2019

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

SlothfulCobra posted:

I'm sure the Chinese definitely want to start a massive war over some of the most sparsely populated land on the planet.

Ah but you see the Chinese are the new Hitler (yes, all of them, they're all collectively Hitler as part of their hivemind) and their country is very densely populated so they must lust for lebensraum constantly. This isn't yellow peril horseshit at all, no siree

Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?

MinisterSinister posted:

Apparently according to this map, Chicago is directly in the middle of Indiana.

Considering how often errors like these are made, I'm beginning to think the majority of Americans outside of the Midwest could not find Chicago on an unlabeled map. They'd probably just say it's "somewhere in the middle."

I think Chicago I've always been able to place reliably, but from childhood through to somewhere in my 20s I was honestly never clear on where Detroit was. Michigan was clear from the maps, it's the mitten + UP, but Detroit? Uhhh, [stabs wildly at where Chicago is] there, maybe?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Saladman posted:

You should try getting out more and learning about other countries if you seriously think the government in the US is similar in corruption and lack of freedom as Thailand, Mali, Pakistan, Ukraine, etc, all of which are in the "partly free" category. Hot takes like "the US is a dictatorship lol" makes you look like a spoiled and wannabe edgy 17 year old.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

Saladman posted:

Hot takes like "the US is a dictatorship lol" makes you look like a spoiled and wannabe edgy 17 year old.

USA is currently comitting genocide.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Americans suck so much and are so endlessly self-obsessed and narcissistic that even when ostensibly talking about emancipation and bad things and poo poo, they just HAVE TO talk down to other people and let them know that no, they have it worse than literally everybody else in the world, there is no country that is better than in doing dictatorship, we are the best in not being democratic, end of discussion, USA, USA, USA!

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Dec 23, 2019

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


my dad posted:

USA is currently comitting genocide.

Democracies are perfectly capable of committing genocide

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011


I'm trying to learn some kind of moral lesson from this image but there is just nothing. Owning Alaska or being South Africa or Thailand makes you evil?

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I’m China.

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