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Happiness does not inspire Royalty.
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Dec 22, 2019 04:59
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paranoid randroid posted:idiots! you reach heaven by being able to accomplish fist arts but living in a barrel instead! That barrel was very clearly not in heaven.
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Dec 22, 2019 05:20
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Dec 22, 2019 05:27
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Who What Now posted:You don't reached heaven through pacifism You can, it just has to be really badass pacifism.
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M_Gargantua posted:Yeah i'm all on board for this arena smashing action but Meti had a good point that the path to a happy life with your blue girlfriend is not the path of face busting At the same time the comic has kinda made a point that detached non-violence forever and ever amen both creates and exacerbates worse problems. The Masters of Ki-Rata are almost single handedly responsible for inflicting Solomon David on the universe.
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Dec 22, 2019 10:32
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Captain Oblivious posted:At the same time the comic has kinda made a point that detached non-violence forever and ever amen both creates and exacerbates worse problems. The Masters of Ki-Rata are almost single handedly responsible for inflicting Solomon David on the universe. TL, DR: Dying at the hands of violent people ceases to be a problem when your biggest problem is living existence itself. If existence is violence, then the only non-violence is non-existence. On the contrary, for a comic about gratuitous ultra-violence, in KSBD it's very clear to me that violence creates violence creates violence, ad infinitum. YISUN attained something resembling the non-dualistic non-existence pursued by real-world Buddhism, and then got bored of it, which led to a beautiful and varied and life-filled multiverse full of pain and suffering. The Very Wise Frog was right when it said that violence is inescapable, and its violent and senseless death proves its point exactly. The Masters of Ki-Rata were right to say that violence is a perpetual cycle; their only mistake was misjudging the character of their final student. Of course, all of these pacifists were brutally killed by violent people, but that's only a problem if you for some reason have a special attachment to a worldly existence full of violence and suffering. YISUN spent the first part of YISUN's existence as a perfect, peaceful whole, a universe without violence or suffering. Then, YISUN got bored, and created an imperfect and divided universe through self-annihilation. The universe exists because of violence. Existence itself is a violence, and violence is inseparable from existence. Sure, the Masters of Ki-Rata died horrible and violent deaths, but that's a given for anybody that exists, for some loose definition of horrible and violent. If the Ki-Rata Masters had fought the invaders, then a different Ki-Rata practitioner would have taken over instead of Dave. If Dave had been rejected by their order, then someone else would be demiurge instead of him. The details change, but the big picture stays the same. Of course, the characters, and probably most of the readers, are all quite attached to their living, breathing bodies, but it's pretty clear that anybody with any fondness for being alive should get used to the idea of defending it with violence.
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Dec 22, 2019 12:07
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M_Gargantua posted:Yeah i'm all on board for this arena smashing action but Meti had a good point that the path to a happy life with your blue girlfriend is not the path of face busting Captain Oblivious posted:At the same time the comic has kinda made a point that detached non-violence forever and ever amen both creates and exacerbates worse problems. The Masters of Ki-Rata are almost single handedly responsible for inflicting Solomon David on the universe. Going back a bit, it seems to me that Cio's aversion is more to greed and ambition than violence. She is not as much of a fan of violence as, say, Princess, but it does not terrify her the way the vault did. hey girl you up fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Dec 22, 2019 |
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Dec 22, 2019 15:55
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The real lesson from the masters of Ki-Rata is that they should have been better at detecting dishonesty. Salami successfully convinced them that he had no intention of pursuing further vengeance. Of course, if they had seen through that and just either refused him or killed him, then there wouldn't be a comic, but this isn't a disproof of their principles, just their ability to follow through on their own principles.
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Dec 22, 2019 16:13
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lightrook posted:TL, DR: Dying at the hands of violent people ceases to be a problem when your biggest problem is living existence itself. If existence is violence, then the only non-violence is non-existence. I have a hard time reconciling the idea that one can be perfect and also still retain the ability to become bored. It seems to me that if one were perfect, one would always be able to not be bored.
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Tulip posted:The real lesson from the masters of Ki-Rata is that they should have been better at detecting dishonesty. Salami successfully convinced them that he had no intention of pursuing further vengeance. It's not really clear if the Ki-Rata masters were blind to the idea that someone could hold a grudge for that long, or if Solomon was so dedicated to his revenge that he successfully hid it from some of the wheel's most powerful martial art masters. Between the two, though, I'd swing toward the fact that the whole story was about how exceptional Solomon David was. There Bias Two posted:I have a hard time reconciling the idea that one can be perfect and also still retain the ability to become bored. It seems to me that if one were perfect, one would always be able to not be bored. YISUN is everything. Everything includes boredom, loneliness and ennui.
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Tulip posted:The real lesson from the masters of Ki-Rata is that they should have been better at detecting dishonesty. Salami successfully convinced them that he had no intention of pursuing further vengeance. I think it's more that they thought they could teach him their pacifism along with the sick rear end world-shattering supermurder arts.
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yeah he didn't deceive them, they could tell that he still wanted vengeance, they just figured that if he trained with them for decades then by the end of it he'd have to have calmed down and accepted that the murder of his family wasn't important enough to kill anyone over.
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Tulip posted:The real lesson from the masters of Ki-Rata is that they should have been better at detecting dishonesty. Salami successfully convinced them that he had no intention of pursuing further vengeance. There'd still be a comic, it just wouldn't have Dave. Someone else would have clawed their way to the top to take his place.
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Dec 22, 2019 17:29
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Tulip posted:The real lesson from the masters of Ki-Rata is that they should have been better at detecting dishonesty. Salami successfully convinced them that he had no intention of pursuing further vengeance. The disproof of their principles is that they stood by and watched a world be murdered and enslaved while they had the ability to stop it.
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Dec 22, 2019 17:41
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the reason meti is royalty and the masters of ki rata arent is masters still took pride in their capacity for violence by making a big loving deal about not wielding it, whereas meti chose to live in squalor and mocked people for wanting her tutelage i mean the thesis of her whole book is Here Is Why You Shouldn't Read This Book
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Dec 22, 2019 18:54
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But: she still wrote the book.
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Dec 22, 2019 20:05
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Royalty can write a little sword manual.
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Dec 22, 2019 20:12
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Patrick Spens posted:The disproof of their principles is that they stood by and watched a world be murdered and enslaved while they had the ability to stop it. It’s this one. Note that they absolutely would and did kill rival ki rata practitioners as well. Also, YISUN’s death by division was necessary for independent beings to exist; individuality is in some sense a state which leads to violence. Violence is inescapable, as the frog said. Also, the one thing we know YISUN most loved was striving for the impossible; seeking an end to violence is absolutely worthy even if violence is inescapable. Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Dec 22, 2019 |
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Dec 22, 2019 20:15
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There Bias Two posted:I have a hard time reconciling the idea that one can be perfect and also still retain the ability to become bored. It seems to me that if one were perfect, one would always be able to not be bored. Correct, YISUN's fatal flaw was getting bored with perfection. Boredom led YISUN to create the universe, which has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Patware posted:But: she still wrote the book. If you have to do something you might as well do it right
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YISUN clearly decided that multiple beings existing, and the conflict that arises from that, was preferable to a single unchanging and perfect being existing forever doing nothing. I’m not convinced we need to posit a flaw in that perfect being for them to choose to create the universe. Theologically speaking. E: oh hey I’m late to the party, I just realized YISUN is made up of three names: YS, and UN, and the secret name of God.
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Patware posted:But: she still wrote the book. look sometimes you wake up from getting blackout drunk and discover youre on the hook to the Guild of Publishers and Bondsmen to the tune of 150 pages and while youre not worried about dealing with the bounty hunters that would result from reneging it would still be this whole big thing so you might as well write the drat book
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M_Gargantua posted:Yeah i'm all on board for this arena smashing action but Meti had a good point that the path to a happy life with your blue girlfriend is not the path of face busting isn't it? gently caress happy life I guess
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Dec 22, 2019 20:59
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meti, hunched over a laptop thats plugged into an extension cord winding along the street into maya's mom's noodle shop: "NOODLE SELLER'S DAUGHTER I REQUIRE ANOTHER ORDER OF #12 SPICY, A HANDLE OF THE CHEAPEST LIQUOR YOU CAN REASONABLY LAY HANDS ON, AND A FISTFUL OF THE PILLS THAT GUY WHO HANGS OUT IN THE ALLEY SELLS"
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Despite the fact that we already know the highlights of the story, I think it'd be a really cool side-adventure to see the actual Life of Solomon David, get an inside view of the Universal War, see how the Celestial Empire rose, and the details of how the Pact of the Seven Part World was forged. I know Abbadon's done with K6BD after he finishes Allison's story, but it'd be fun to see if he ever decides to return to the universe.
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Solomon David: those aren't my heirs Allison and CIo: *constant shouting, perform a forbidden technique, destroy the whole arena* Solomon David: ... Solomon David: Okay maybe
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Lights posted:Despite the fact that we already know the highlights of the story, I think it'd be a really cool side-adventure to see the actual Life of Solomon David, get an inside view of the Universal War, see how the Celestial Empire rose, and the details of how the Pact of the Seven Part World was forged. I know Abbadon's done with K6BD after he finishes Allison's story, but it'd be fun to see if he ever decides to return to the universe. In this story, the bad guy would constantly win until he decided he owned enough land and people and he would have a smug grin the entire time.
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wiegieman posted:In this story, the bad guy would constantly win until he decided he owned enough land and people and he would have a smug grin the entire time. As if bad guys are ever capable of deciding they own enough.
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Dec 23, 2019 09:38
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late to the conversation but zaid is too handsome to be rudely dumped, please do not suggest such cruel things to beautiful people.
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Dec 23, 2019 10:37
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I dunno, he seemed kind of gross in bed with Allison
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Zaid then: https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/ksbd-chapter-1-1/ https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/ksbd-chapter-1-2/ https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/ksbd-chapter-1-3/ On the plus side, he didn't get her drunk, and he asked for renewed consent. On the minus side, he's still kinda pushy and forceful, claiming to be turned on by her freaking out, which is kinda creepy. He also botched the bra-removal. He did get quite a good tan while on Rayuba, though.
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I don't know who started calling Solomon David 'Salami Dave' but it amuses me greatly.
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YggiDee posted:I don't know who started calling Solomon David 'Salami Dave' but it amuses me greatly. its his handle on the throne body building forums. Motherfucker fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Zaid then: Really, "not a rapist" isn't a big plus side. That's a pretty low bar even by Throne standards. Solomon David knows how to style his wards though.
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Motherfucker posted:its his handle on the throne body building forums.
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Fish Noise posted:oh god I'm imagining the demiurges in an argument over how many days are in a week With 777,777 worlds around it's probably a legitimate question. Throne itself doesn't even have a day/night cycle.
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Shoehead posted:I dunno, he seemed kind of gross in bed with Allison I feel like a lot of that was down to Abaddon... being kind of bad at expressions early on. Lots of sweating and weird eye movements. He's improved that by leaps and bounds.
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Patware posted:I feel like a lot of that was down to Abaddon... being kind of bad at expressions early on. Lots of sweating and weird eye movements. He's improved that by leaps and bounds. Yeah but Allison was definitely meant to be read as uncomfortable there.
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At the same time she had "lose my virginity" on her calendar so I'm not sure that the discomfort was specifically Zaid based.
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