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That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.
I've just noticed something about The Lesser Evil: between the way Renfri is presented and the way she tells her story, everything is mimicking Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.

Renfri's look is very close to classic Disney's Snow White; when she tells her story, what we get is that her mother The Queen schemed to have her killed, and when she ran into the forest she was found by "The Hunter" who raped her and let her go (which is what happens in the original version of the Snow White fairytale). Then she tells that "she's been found and saved by Nohorn and the others". Lo and behold, went Geralt gets into town and gets confronted by those guys there's seven of them!

So yeah Geralt literally butchers Snow White and the Seven dwarfs in the first episode of the series.

That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Dec 24, 2019

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davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost
Yeah, in the book she at first hangs with a group of 7 gnomes who end up killing each other and it's gossipped that she sleeps with a different one each night.

I already miss the actress, have to agree with others that I wish she'd been cast as Triss.

I also regret the actress who played the girl Marillka (who guides Geralt around in episode 1) didn't end up as Ciri, I liked her a lot.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Pretty much all the Witcher short stories play on fairy tales. The Pavetta story is a cross between Beauty and the Beast and Princess and the Frog, the Dragon story takes from a bunch of different dragon lores (though I'm sad the brave Little shoemaker and the sulfur filled sheep didn't make it in), and while I'm sad A Grain of Truth wasn't adapted, I'd have loved to see Nivellen and the Bruxa.

Zeta Acosta
Dec 16, 2019

#essereFerrari

Arcsquad12 posted:

Pretty much all the Witcher short stories play on fairy tales. The Pavetta story is a cross between Beauty and the Beast and Princess and the Frog, the Dragon story takes from a bunch of different dragon lores (though I'm sad the brave Little shoemaker and the sulfur filled sheep didn't make it in), and while I'm sad A Grain of Truth wasn't adapted, I'd have loved to see Nivellen and the Bruxa.

season 2

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Binary Logic posted:

The series doesn't have to tell this since it shows what a witcher is and does in the first few episodes

Based on what's shown in the first few episodes, witchers are old grizzled loners who aimlessly wander around and sometimes they get vampire eyes. They're vaguely magic-ish, more like elves than humans but not in a well-defined sense

In It For The Tank
Feb 17, 2011

But I've yet to figure out a better way to spend my time.

That Italian Guy posted:

So yeah Geralt literally butchers Snow White and the Seven dwarfs in the first episode of the series.

He eats Bambi too. I'm not sure if that was intentional but I'm choosing to believe it is.

A lot of the short stories at the beginning of the series are deconstructions of popular fantasy stories. Off the top of my head, there's overt deconstructions of Snow White, Little Mermaid, and Beauty and the Beast, and there's sneakier references to others like Cinderella, the Snow Queen, and Aladdin (although for the last one I'm only saying that because there's a djinn). That said, I think a lot of the books were written before the more famous Disney adaptions and are instead based on the grimmer original folkstories.

romanowski
Nov 10, 2012

show would be better if the entire cast were black

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I bought witcher 3 a long time ago but my computer wasn’t good enough. I got a new one though and the show makes me want to play it, so I shall.

How are the books, is there just the one translation

Vilgefartz
Apr 29, 2013

Good ideas 4 free
Fun Shoe

Kaedric posted:

His writing is actually pretty good, and not really cliche at all. He doesn't generally have the badass hero valiantly winning the day etc. It's one of the reasons I really like his work, in that there's actual stakes and almost always things never work out perfectly (no happily ever after, as it were).

Which actually reminds me: they messed up The Lesser Evil in the show. The whole point was that even though Geralt made a choice, as opposed to staying neutral, it didn't matter and was in fact still the wrong thing to do. In the show he confronts Renfri's crew and kills them to prevent them from murdering the townspeople as leverage against Stregobor, then Renfri shows up and flat out says she will kill everyone in Blaviken until Stregobor comes down (while holding a little girl hostage with a sword against her neck, no less). This is essentially 'dumbing down' the conflict, because it very simply makes Geralt justified to kill Renfri at that point. There's no wrong choice here. He can be sad about it after, but in the end he had no choice, right? After this Stregobor comes in and incites the townspeople to violence against Geralt, because you see, he's a BAD GUY(tm).

In the books: Geralt confronts Renfri's crew in the town square, fights them, and then Renfri shows up. She states that Stregobor refuses to leave his tower, no matter how many people she would end up killing, so she gave up. However, seeing that Geralt killed all of her friends, she fatalistically decides to fight him, and loses. Stregobor shows up after and still wants to take her body to autopsy, but when Geralt refuses, Stregobor insists Geralt come with him and leave the town, since the townspeople won't understand why Geralt killed these people, and will think him a monster. Geralt refuses, and the townspeople show up and start throwing stones until the Alderman comes and stops them, and he tells Geralt to never come back.

Here you have a situation that could have been completely avoided, no one would have died. Choosing the 'lesser evil' was a mistake (as it always is). No one in the story is an out and out moustache-twirling villain, as they are in the show. It's magnitudes better.


This dude gets it. I wish they'd gone a little less polar with morality in the show, even the most evil motherfuckers have relateable quirks.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

zoux posted:

I bought witcher 3 a long time ago but my computer wasn’t good enough. I got a new one though and the show makes me want to play it, so I shall.

How are the books, is there just the one translation

Fun fact, in Polish, Jaskier is called Buttercup, and the books/substitute "Dandelion" which is way better, cos the dude is a loving dandy. Also buttercup is what you name the family cow. My Polish friends are still salty about that.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

hobbesmaster posted:

But if you’re not familiar with the books you might do something dumb like romancing Triss.

Triss sets off my brain chemicals so I don't even care

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Strom Cuzewon posted:

The first two games also don't involve Ciri or Yen at all, with the weird consequence that the third game feels weirder if you've played the early games but not read the books.

Finally understand why Yen threw the bed out of the window. I'm going to have to read the books, because it did feel weird playing 3 without that backstory, although for me that was more about Ciri than Yen.

Majkol
Oct 17, 2016

Strom Cuzewon posted:

Fun fact, in Polish, Jaskier is called Buttercup, and the books/substitute "Dandelion" which is way better, cos the dude is a loving dandy. Also buttercup is what you name the family cow. My Polish friends are still salty about that.

In Polish he is called Jaskier.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

JBP posted:

Triss sets off my brain chemicals so I don't even care

That’s the love potion.

ghostwritingduck
Aug 26, 2004

"I hope you like waking up at 6 a.m. and having your favorite things destroyed. P.S. Forgive me because I'm cuter than that $50 wire I just ate."
Is there anyway to know how the show is doing? I’m really loving it with two more episodes to go.

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler

ghostwritingduck posted:

Is there anyway to know how the show is doing? I’m really loving it with two more episodes to go.

It was renewed for season 2 in November, before it premiered.

Amarcarts
Feb 21, 2007

This looks a lot like suffering.
The show was much better than I expected. I had a feeling it would at least be passably entertaining, and on my first run through it was. On someone's advice I started watching it over for a second time and I was amazed at how differently it plays once you have seen it and know the basic story. There were a lot of things in the writing I missed that have very deep meaning to me now.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

JBP posted:

Yeah it got "renewed" before it went to air. I don't understand how Netflix works.

When Netflix greenlights a show they usually sign for 2 season and if it's popular extend the show for another season or 2. They don't like doing more then a few seasons on any show though.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Man the beginning of episode 7 is very confusing with regards to time and place.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

When Netflix greenlights a show they usually sign for 2 season and if it's popular extend the show for another season or 2. They don't like doing more then a few seasons on any show though.

Which is kind of unfortunate because they need to know whether to tell Ciri’s story from the books in 1 or 2 seasons.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

You know it's a shame that Calanthe fell off the battlement. If only she'd had density on her side.

ghostwritingduck
Aug 26, 2004

"I hope you like waking up at 6 a.m. and having your favorite things destroyed. P.S. Forgive me because I'm cuter than that $50 wire I just ate."

hobbesmaster posted:

Which is kind of unfortunate because they need to know whether to tell Ciri’s story from the books in 1 or 2 seasons.

I’d hope that the show runners get some info about how well the show is doing.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Does the Nilfgaardian soldier that Geralt interrogates start the Prophecy of Lara Dorren like it's a religious prayer?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

ghostwritingduck posted:

I’d hope that the show runners get some info about how well the show is doing.

FWIW it's the #1 top trending show on IMDB which means there's at least a lot of online interest

https://www.imdb.com/chart/tvmeter/

Most, if not all of those are popular successful shows so at this point, at least, it's in good company.

We'll only hear anything from Netflix about the show if it does insanely good numbers, they never say how good a show is doing unless it's breaking records. There are a number of metric companies that claim to know how these shows are doing but take those with a grain of salt.

The other thing is to kill an Netflix executive, cut off some flesh and feed it to a wizard and then gut the wizard and see it's viewership in his entrails.

E: so coincidence or intentional nod that the actor who played Yoren in GoT said “feast for crows” and talked about his watch

zoux fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Dec 25, 2019

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Filavandrel's story is a lot more depressing on the rewatch. He doesn't get a lot of pages in the main saga books, just a conversation with Francesca after she disowns the Squirrels, but Filavandrel would have been a Squirrel guerrilla, wouldn't he? So he did end up bringing his people down out of the mountains and got a lot of them killed fighting humans, just as Geralt said would happen. The Cintrian boy with the elf ears talked about his vengeance for Filavandrel's rebellion the year prior, which implies that the elves failed in their campaign.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

zoux posted:


E: so coincidence or intentional nod that the actor who played Yoren in GoT said “feast for crows” and talked about his watch

Freefolk and similar subreddits are full of Witcher memes so there’s certainly noise.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1209649003345797120

Call his agent, cowards!

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Mark Hamill doesn't really have Vesemir energy.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames
I'm mostly really liking this series, but the lighting really bothers me. The source material was so dark, but there's barely a shadow in the entire show. Forests are well-lit from multiple sources, corridors and rooms have "shadows" that are just slightly darker greys, browns, and blues, and night might as well be day. I've heard this can be a CGI thing with rendering blacks, but I feel like Game of Thrones never had this issue.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
I don't want to read the thread for the spoilers, but I was wondering what the consensus of the show is?

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

punk rebel ecks posted:

I don't want to read the thread for the spoilers, but I was wondering what the consensus of the show is?

All over the place, but you'll probably come to your own decision by the end of episode 3. Just be aware that the three plotlines are happening years apart until the protagonists meet up.

Ubiquitous_
Nov 20, 2013

by Reene

punk rebel ecks posted:

I don't want to read the thread for the spoilers, but I was wondering what the consensus of the show is?

Things I liked:
1. Decent writing
2. Great visuals (for the most part)
3. Two of the narratives have good pacing

Things I disliked:
1. Melodrama can occasionally stifle plot progress
2. One narrative spins its wheels for the whole season
3. Occasionally the visual effects take a nosedive

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."

Arglebargle III posted:

Mark Hamill doesn't really have Vesemir energy.

You mean Mark Hamill's talent would be wasted on Vesemir.

...this just makes me want it to happen MORE.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Does he want an opportunity to ham it up like in the wing commander games or something? I’m slightly puzzled, but I’m sure he could do it.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Things Vesemir has gotta have:

-moustache
-eastern european accent
-strong like ox
-big like bear
-moustache
-grandfatherly countenance
-grump
-moustache

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
James Gandolfini using his own voice is the only Vesimir I'd ever accept.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
It was a Leshy, swear to the gods.

Get the gently caress outta here.

Tehran 1979
Jan 28, 2019

by Lowtax
Un-mute

https://i.imgur.com/JyZPzNd.mp4



Tehran 1979 fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Dec 25, 2019

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
How accurate is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sh5d4Ut3uI

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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

They're pretty spot on about the show. Don't compare it to Game of Thrones because it is not GOT. It's high budget Xena Warrior Princess with a sense of humour and it falls flat when it tries to go for epic while striking high when it does character work.

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