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The Mongols are also the primary reason so much of the middle East is inhospitable. There used to be a massive irrigation network in place and when the Mongols punished the Muslim population for resisting they destroyed the irrigation system and utterly hosed the environment. When you resist you get beaten into submission. But it takes a long time to put down internal strife when you do that, and the later books point out that other client states of Nilfgaard are pretty much lawless when the Empire is on the march because oppressed people don't need much prodding to fight back when their oppressors aren't around. The irony of Nilfgaard is that they represent this monolithic front to the Northern Kingdoms but they're no more unified than anyone else.
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Dijkstra is one of my favorite characters in the game and he's the best thing that can happen for the North.
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Agreed. when he gave his speech about rebuilding the North I was like oh yeah these people standing next to me definitely have to die for that. Not joking. I walked out on them. It's a shame, I expected Towler to be smarter than that.
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Except he's also a massive idiot in the end. he convinces Geralt to join his assassination plot by telling him it will save Yennefer and Triss from persecution, but his price is to kill three people who have done more for Geralt than Sigi has ever done. Thaler never betrayed Geralt and Roche and Ves bled for Geralt. Why would Geralt turn on his friends to save his other friends and why would Dijkstra be stupid enough to try a stunt like that when Geralt was in the same room? if he was hedging his bets he'd take Geralt aside to talk about payment and then turn on the Temerians when Geralt couldn't help them. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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That's arguably just bad character writing. Regardless, Dijkstra's plan was a pipe dream, and you'd be a bad Geralt to support it. 
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I'd say that it's more a problem of how the third act of Witcher 3 is really rushed compared to the slow burn of the first two acts. There's lots going on in act 3 but none of it is as fleshed out as id like, so Dijkstra suddenly has to take stupid pills so his plotline can be resolved now no time for so overs.
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It's true, they did cut a lot from Act 3 even though the game is 120 hours long. I think your interpretation of the political conflict at the end comes down to whether you have any regard for Temeria or its patriots. I never liked Roche or Ves.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Man, I recognise that you really tried, but I skimmed your post and worked out what I suspect is a pretty big spoiler. Just saw that, too. Adjusted the spoiler tags for them.
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Arglebargle III posted:It's true, they did cut a lot from Act 3 even though the game is 120 hours long. Roche and Ves and Thaler are friends and friends don't let friends die because some fat rear end in a top hat is having sudden delusions of grandeur. you monster. You fiend.
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Lil Peeler posted:I think it's because coming from the games at least, northgard was strict and dictatorial but never needlessly cruel.one of the reasons I tended to side with them over the northern realms in The Witcher 2 and 3 were because I realized how lovely, racist and backwards the northern kingdoms were. This definitely undercuts some of that logic lol lol Nilfgaard has literal slavery.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Roche and Ves and Thaler are friends and friends don't let friends die because some fat rear end in a top hat is having sudden delusions of grandeur. you monster. You fiend. No Roche is a secret policeman who put you in jail for no reason. Thaler ought to know better and Ves is just a bloodthirsty child. These are all game characters so it's probably the wrong thread to talk about this. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oijzQ8m5YKc Hmm.
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esperterra posted:Just saw that, too. Adjusted the spoiler tags for them. What was it? I have only watched the series and played the games.
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twistedmentat posted:What was it? I have only watched the series and played the games. Just (book and future show spoilers) Duny being Emhyr.
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Simply put some things work better on paper than they do in a visual medium.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl2si0NdqII
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Arcsquad12 posted:Simply put some things work better on paper than they do in a visual medium.  This is continuing the book spoiler discussion.I have mixed feelings on that. That twist has been done recently with Bioshock Infinite and Predestination. You change the character completely to sell it. They could've pulled it off with the curse, delaying the cure until way later. And it's a pretty fun twist when done right. On the other hand, I get why they would want to avoid that headache.
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esperterra posted:Just (book and future show spoilers) Duny being Emhyr. Oh I totally thought he was called that in the show. I am Pretty sure that was mentioned in the games too, though the games do have spoilers because they take place after the books.
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i wish the bard's stupid witcher song would leave my head this week it would be nice thx
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Arglebargle III posted:No Roche is a secret policeman who put you in jail for no reason. Thaler ought to know better and Ves is just a bloodthirsty child. I mean "standing alone in a room with a dead king and a sword" is not "no reason"
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Wild Horses posted:i wish the bard's stupid witcher song would leave my head this week it would be nice thx
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Oh valley of penis.
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Also the show is perfectly serviceable but it fails to make the choice of being side quest based and main mission based—which is a huge issue with the source material as well. There’s a great case that this should be a linear timeline series focusing on Geralt and gradually drawing in the supporting characters. The Ciri arc is really pretty loving boring. The episodes that are Geralt hitting a hornets nest for money were the most entertaining imo
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I think I would have enjoyed this show more if there was less of this stuff and more cool fights with monsters.
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straight up brolic posted:The episodes that are Geralt hitting a hornets nest for money were the most entertaining imo Yeah episodes like the Striga really capture the appeal of the games and the books especially Geralt getting hoodwinked by his dishonest employers.
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side_burned posted:I think I would have enjoyed this show more if there was less of this stuff and more cool fights with monsters. yeah I just want him to go to town, the mayor says "please kill this monster" and then geralt kills it and gets some money and has a drink and takes a bath
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straight up brolic posted:Also the show is perfectly serviceable but it fails to make the choice of being side quest based and main mission based—which is a huge issue with the source material as well. Ciri and Yen aren’t supporting characters.
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Wild Horses posted:i wish the bard's stupid witcher song would leave my head this week it would be nice thx Every version i can find is mixed weird. Like it sounds like its recorded in a tin can and when the additional instrumentation comes in its louder than the lyrics.
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Its probably ripped from the show right? Would like an album version
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twistedmentat posted:Every version i can find is mixed weird. Like it sounds like its recorded in a tin can and when the additional instrumentation comes in its louder than the lyrics. They should troll the audience by having a whole episode in S2 be nothing but Dandelion songs.
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Can someone explain to me the end of episode 1? I didn't understand why everyone turned on the white haired mercenary guy including the man who hired him and the little girl. It was just really confusing and maybe badly written.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Can someone explain to me the end of episode 1? I didn't understand why everyone turned on the white haired mercenary guy including the man who hired him and the little girl. It was just really confusing and maybe badly written. He's a mutant and everyone hates mutants. He also killed a bunch of normal humans. You don't go stirring poo poo up when you're a hated minority, doesn't matter if you're in the right or not. The wizard was gonna harvest the princess' parts or something and Geralt didn't like that. The wizard then turns on Geralt.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Can someone explain to me the end of episode 1? I didn't understand why everyone turned on the white haired mercenary guy including the man who hired him and the little girl. It was just really confusing and maybe badly written. They just watched a mutant monster hunter who isn't appreciated at the best of times casually slaughter eight people on the street. Regardless of the context, they're scared and want him to get the hell out of town before he decides he should start slaughtering them, too. The mage turned against him, too, because the witcher has been a troublesome hireling and this seems like an excellent excuse to get rid of him.
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Wild Horses posted:Its probably ripped from the show right? Would like an album version Yea that's the only thing I can think of. etalian posted:They should troll the audience by having a whole episode in S2 be nothing but Dandelion songs. Something i really liked is his songs were fairly modern sounding. Not only because it sounds better, but it suggests some spoilery backstory stuff. About that first episode, did Geralt put the broach from the woman he killed on the hilt of his sword?
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Can someone explain to me the end of episode 1? I didn't understand why everyone turned on the white haired mercenary guy including the man who hired him and the little girl. It was just really confusing and maybe badly written. It's not done very well compared to the book but basically Stregobor decided to play into the xenophobia against Witchers to save his own skin and spun the fight in the marketplace as Geralt butchering innocents. In the book nobody except Geralt knows what the mercenaries are about to do, so to their eyes he just slaughtered random people. The show drops that nuance so it needs to make Stregobor more (if that was possible) villainous to get the crowd to turn on him.
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Arcsquad12 posted:It's not done very well compared to the book but basically Stregobor decided to play into the xenophobia against Witchers to save his own skin and spun the fight in the marketplace as Geralt butchering innocents. In the book nobody except Geralt knows what the mercenaries are about to do, so to their eyes he just slaughtered random people. The show drops that nuance so it needs to make Stregobor more (if that was possible) villainous to get the crowd to turn on him. The show also seemed to drop that Streg and Geralt knew each other and have history. I liked that element of the book.
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Just binged this trash show in two days and I can't tell you why it's so damned appealing. The dialogue was frequently incredibly cringe worthy and the CGI for a lot of the monster was incredibly poor (those dragons were terrible) but I kept making time to watch it, and I'm eagerly awaiting season two. It's even got me to pick the games back up and now I want to read the books. Arglebargle III posted:
From a few pages back, but I love that it seems they were terribly surprised that Henry Cavill was able to act, as if they'd never seen anyone do it before. "Hold the goddam phone, did you know that you can use your face and body to convey meaning or emotion and not just exposit everwhere?"
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Just imagine how easy it was to animate that 100% dead assed dragon.
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Edit: drat, wrong thread. Edit edit: gently caress it, gonna  anyway:twistedmentat posted:About that first episode, did Geralt put the broach from the woman he killed on the hilt of his sword? Yeah, a few pages back someone screencapped the hilt of his sword with it on there, though I can't remember if it was his silver or steel sword. I'm somewhat unfamiliar with the books and short stories, but their romance seemed kind of rushed at first glance. The whole thing felt like it happened way too quickly for Geralt to be having dreams about her and mounting broaches on his sword etc, especially since the entire thing was relegated to a single episode, but on second thought I think the takeaway was that he saw a lot of himself within her, and maybe the broach was a reminder not to turn out the same. Pyrus Malus fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Dec 30, 2019 |
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Yeah she was seen as a monster by cthe common folk due to her fate; contrary to Geralt, she embraced that instead of rejecting it. The first episode is much better on a rewatch, once you realize that it's a story about two girls, both princesses, both with an unusual and powerful blood, both tied by destiny to Geralt (Stregobor specifically mentions that destiny has brought him, Geralt and Renfri in Blaviken at the same time). Geralt is destined to kill one of them and save the other.
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