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The Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in honor of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin wasn't plopped down in a swamp next to a large fuckoff river for the nice view, what are you guys talking about  Of course you need a plentiful, reliable and as cool as possible water source for a NPP. There are ways to get around just diverting river water over your closed loop and calling it a day, the problem is as always cost. More/larger condensation towers, a secondary semi-closed cooling loop, canals and whathaveyou. They're building a plant in the Emirates somewhere iirc where the intake water is 35°C+ on a regular basis, maybe look it up and see what they have to do to compensate for that. sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Dec 28, 2019 |
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sauer kraut posted:The Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in honor of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin wasn't plopped down in a swamp next to a large fuckoff river for the nice view, what are you guys talking about They got some very big catfish now
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sauer kraut posted:They're building a plant in the Emirates somewhere iirc where the intake water is 35°C+ on a regular basis, maybe look it up and see what they have to do to compensate for that. The problem isn't that you can't use water like that to cool a nuclear reactor, the problem is that if you add in the heat of a reactor to an already hot river you'll kill everything in it. Hence why the French shut down a couple of their reactors last summer. Of course, if we don't switch to nuclear everything in those rivers is gonna die anyway but since that's a decade or three down the line everybody can pretend it'll never happen and simply build out natgas or whatever today. It's the ~environmentally friendly~ thing, since the alternative is dead rivers after all. After the river dies 'naturally' then nuclear can be renewed as a thing since there won't be any damage left to do to it.
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Hexigrammus posted:Kill them all, let the Blue Mighty Eternal Heaven sort them out. The Guardian beat you to it, because of course they did 'genghis khan killed a lot of indigenous peoples, but he also helped create ecofascism, so, it;s impossible to say if he's bad or not'
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Complications posted:After the river dies 'naturally' then nuclear can be renewed as a thing since there won't be any damage left to do to it. Ah but then the nuclear plant would impede "restoration efforts" and also spew dangerous nucular chemicals that give little Timmy autism.
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Complications posted:The problem isn't that you can't use water like that to cool a nuclear reactor, the problem is that if you add in the heat of a reactor to an already hot river you'll kill everything in it. Hence why the French shut down a couple of their reactors last summer. Of course, if we don't switch to nuclear everything in those rivers is gonna die anyway but since that's a decade or three down the line everybody can pretend it'll never happen and simply build out natgas or whatever today. It's the ~environmentally friendly~ thing, since the alternative is dead rivers after all. After the river dies 'naturally' then nuclear can be renewed as a thing since there won't be any damage left to do to it. Yeah there are regulatory limits to the temp of the outflow water, usually 28-30C depending on the country iirc. The problem is not unique to NPPs, fossil and solar thermal plants suffer from the same issue (maybe 20-30% less severe depending on efficiency) unless they had the foresight to invest in better cooling from the get go. You'll see it on your electricity bill soon enough when throttling of power plants becomes a more common occurrence and they're forced to upgrade. sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Dec 28, 2019 |
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Venomous posted:The Guardian beat you to it, because of course they did  I will never be rich because I don't get why people like to buy the crap they do and I will never be a professional writer because I can't grasp the idea that somewhere there's someone willing to pay money for my shitposting.
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CommieGIR posted:Depending on the design, they still source their cooling water externally. The water in the both reactor loop and the turbine loop are going to be distilled and chemically treated. One isn't directly using pond/natural water for steam generation either. Only the cooling water for the condenser is going be untreated from river / pond / ocean.
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Nuclear power consists of some really hot rocks and it's absurd that we spend billions to develop a better way of holding them when oven mitts and barbecue tongs already exist.
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Admiral Ray posted:Nuclear power consists of some really hot rocks and it's absurd that we spend billions to develop a better way of holding them when oven mitts and barbecue tongs already exist. Looks like we found a volunteer rockholder
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sauer kraut posted:The problem is not unique to NPPs, fossil and solar thermal plants suffer from the same issue (maybe 20-30% less severe depending on efficiency) unless they had the foresight to invest in better cooling from the get go. Yep any steam cycle has this problem, about 2/3 of the heat generated by whatever source leaves in the cooling medium.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:The water in the both reactor loop and the turbine loop are going to be distilled and chemically treated. One isn't directly using pond/natural water for steam generation either. Only the cooling water for the condenser is going be untreated from river / pond / ocean. I'm well aware. The reactor loop water is deionized and borated in most American BWR/PWRs. Both the Turbine and Reactor loops are closed loops. That's exactly what I said, re-read my post.
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Qatar Airways doing their part to ensure everyone knows what it's like to live in Qatar: https://onemileatatime.com/qatar-airways-787-victorville/
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Hexigrammus posted:The Mongols' leave-no-enemies-behind-you policy depopulated a wide band across Eurasia and their repeated invasions allowed farmland to regrow as forest. The CO2 decrease is visible in ice cores and other reconstructions.
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fauna posted:i told you. my divine mission just wasn't what i thought it was For what it's worth I thought you were really great in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
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our burning country goes from bad to worse. https://twitter.com/k_morrissey/status/1211104612133953536
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two of the main threads I have bookmarked are this one and Auspol and I keep not being able to tell the difference between them
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bobvonunheil posted:two of the main threads I have bookmarked are this one and Auspol and I keep not being able to tell the difference between them there's still hope in the Auspol thread.
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Yeast posted:there's still hope in the Auspol thread. you must be reading a different thread to me
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bobvonunheil posted:you must be reading a different thread to me ok, admittedly we've replaced hope with Whiskey, I can't argue that.
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What ever happened to the person who used to post like the ice totals monthly? Or was that a different climate science thread? https://twitter.com/Ad_Inifinitum/status/1210652504968585217?s=20 I don't really know how people in the comments can watch this and be like "this is fine" for real.
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Australia, you've got to be kidding me.Some Death Cultist posted:The City of Sydney has maintained the fireworks will go ahead, regardless of conditions. ScoMo has weighed in on the side of continuing with the Sydney New Years fireworks. I can only conclude that your leadership hates you and wants you all to die in a fire.
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No need for a fireworks show. Australia itself is already the world's largest Roman candle.
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silicone thrills posted:What ever happened to the person who used to post like the ice totals monthly? Or was that a different climate science thread? Interestingly extent grew by zero yesterday though right now the real story is how much and how fast Antarctica is melting.
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silicone thrills posted:What ever happened to the person who used to post like the ice totals monthly? It got less exciting, I suspect:  Still terrible, though. Lots more here.
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Speaking of. What's your favorite sites for keeping track of the unfolding climate disaster?
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BrokenGameboy posted:Speaking of. What's your favorite sites for keeping track of the unfolding climate disaster? My favorite is Environment 360. It's very serious and really quite good. A couple good articles:
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BrokenGameboy posted:Speaking of. What's your favorite sites for keeping track of the unfolding climate disaster? While the Arctic Sea Ice forums are primarily known for general arctic circle monitoring, the rest of the subforums are almost all devoted to various aspects of the climate disaster.
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Hexigrammus posted:Australia, you've got to be kidding me. This is good, it means there's still hope for Sydney itself to be consumed by an intense urban wildfire and destabilize the continent.
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Given the huge amount of emissions from vehicles etc, how much of an impact would putting the whole power grid on nuclear have on overall emissions? Would it be enough?
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baw posted:Given the huge amount of emissions from vehicles etc, how much of an impact would putting the whole power grid on nuclear have on overall emissions? Would it be enough? A huge impact. No, it wouldn't be enough; we need to shrink.
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Conspiratiorist posted:A huge impact. Are you calling me fat?
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baw posted:Given the huge amount of emissions from vehicles etc, how much of an impact would putting the whole power grid on nuclear have on overall emissions? Would it be enough? Kind of depends on what you mean by "enough." If we could immediately decarbonize the entire grid, that would be enough to keep us on track if we could then also decarbonize transportation and manufacturing by 2040 or so. It's not nearly enough by itself, no.
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Oh poo poo, here we go. There's a small group of forest fire researchers who are becoming expert on pyrocumulonimbus formations. I suspect most of them are now in eastern Australia oscillating between  and  as they were when things started to get really interesting with the Fort Mac fires in Alberta a few years ago.
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people already answered but I like to use graphs/pictures whenever I can the red part is coal and natural gas powering electric grids (mostly) here's another good one 
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