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We already knew he could do Ford because he dubbed him in a bad lip reading of Episode 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv_hGITmNuo
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RBA Starblade posted:What in the gently caress Harry Knowles was really hosed up. I say "was" because I no longer have to read his weird hosed up view points. I'm sure he's still somewhere being weird and hosed up, but it doesn't cross my path anymore.
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Dec 30, 2019 20:17
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Colonel Whitey posted:Mandalorian is an okay show but it’s a shame about the main character. I'm only 2 episodes in, but does he ever unmask? His costume and posture/movement aren't exactly expressive.
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Dec 30, 2019 20:33
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Blood Boils posted:I'm only 2 episodes in, but does he ever unmask? His costume and posture/movement aren't exactly expressive. He unmasks himself precisely once in the 4th episode
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Dec 30, 2019 20:35
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Neo Rasa posted:Sorry I missed this person's name and reviews being mentioned and so didn't post the obligatory review content til now, forget about Blade 2: 
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Dec 30, 2019 21:13
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Captain Splendid posted:He unmasks himself precisely once in the 4th episode Also in the finale a droid unmasks him to give him medical aid
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Dec 30, 2019 21:25
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PostNouveau posted:Also in the finale a droid unmasks him to give him medical aid I was trying to keep that bit secret...
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Captain Splendid posted:I was trying to keep that bit secret... That's what spoiler tags are for
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Dec 30, 2019 21:33
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The point is that the actor never gets a chance to emote or convey anything at all. Mando remains a boring emotionless appliance at least through episode 6 (haven't seen the rest yet). It's like if you took the Man With No Name and told Clint Eastwood he could have zero charisma, put a helmet on him, and gave him no good lines. Tough job for the actor, that one's on the bad writing.
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Dec 30, 2019 21:47
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Gonna agree with an earlier post that said you don't hire Pedro Pascal to put on a helmet your entire show. I think it could be a thing that changes in the coming seasons.
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Dec 30, 2019 21:54
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Cheaper to have him just do a voice. I think he tried to claim it was him the whole time in the suit but then Amy Sedaris was like "Nah I never worked with him once. It was a body double in the suit the whole time." Now that it's a hit maybe they can pay him for some actual screen time. It's definitely super dumb to have the super charismatic guy wear a helmet the whole time. That would be like putting Kerri Russell in a helmet for all her appearances!
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Dec 30, 2019 21:57
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Just saying, for future proofing they cast Pedro Pascal for when he inevitably becomes helmetless. Finish the season and get back to me! Besides what happens with the IG, Moff Gideon knows his true identity so I think things are pointing toward him not always being in a helmet. Which is cool, because Pedro Pascal is cool!
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Dec 30, 2019 22:00
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It's also kind of a problem because so many of the fans think the helmet is really cool and it's iconic so they can't lose it entirely. Taking him out of the helmet makes him just a guy in armor, not a badass mandalorian (at least I think that's how fans will see it). For the same reasons it puzzles me that JJ put Kylo back in the helmet. Adam Driver is so loving dynamic and interesting to watch, and you have him hide his performance in a helmet for half the movie or more. Rian Johnson solved that problem in a very cool way but no, JJ needs Kylo to look how he designed him. Just bleh.
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Dec 30, 2019 22:31
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I think JJ had him masked because he wanted Not-Vader, which works IF you are interested in maintaining a mystery around the character. Like, if you get glimpses of the character outside of the mask, like we do with Vader and his hosed up head and face. That all gets thrown out the window if you have him unmasked in the first part of your trilogy, and you present him as a Sith LARP-er. 
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Dec 30, 2019 23:00
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Bogus Adventure posted:I think JJ had him masked because he wanted Not-Vader, which works IF you are interested in maintaining a mystery around the character. Like, if you get glimpses of the character outside of the mask, like we do with Vader and his hosed up head and face. That all gets thrown out the window if you have him unmasked in the first part of your trilogy, and you present him as a Sith LARP-er. Yeah, there's no thematic reason to put him back in the helmet, it's just "I like the way it looks" which tbh is the ethos behind JJ's entire approach to filmmaking. "I like the way it looks/feels" without any regard to theme, character, or message.
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Dec 30, 2019 23:11
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Colonel Whitey posted:Yeah, there's no thematic reason to put him back in the helmet, it's just "I like the way it looks" which tbh is the ethos behind JJ's entire approach to filmmaking. "I like the way it looks/feels" without any regard to theme, character, or message. JJ likes showing moments, but he doesn't always put in the necessary storytelling to build toward them. Starkiller Base blowing up seemingly random planets is a great example. It's a cool scene seeing energy beams tear across space while victims and bystanders watch. It's bad and scary, but confusing because it lacks context. We don't know why those planets are the ones that are targeted, or even if they are planets we're familiar with (are they Coruscant, Corellia, X-tooine?). It also doesn't carry as much weight as the Death Star blowing up Alderaan. The OT sets it up with Tarkin looking for a suitable planet to test out his new toy, uses the threat of blowing the planet up to get Leia to seemingly betray her allies, and then he proceeds to blow it up anyway. We never see the planet or any of the people living there, but the movie lays the story groundwork to establish its importance.
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Dec 30, 2019 23:27
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Maxwell Lord posted:Mandalorian has plenty of fan service but it feels more like the writers/directors playing around with Star Wars without the pressure to create The Next Great Saga. Even if Rian Johnson had a bit more freedom on Last Jedi than Disney normally allows, he still had to deliver the serious middle chapter to a big sweeping epic and he's working in that formula. Mando feels like "Okay, we're doing Lone Wolf and Cub, also with a bit of a Western vibe, the baby is a tiny Yoda, and we're in negotiations for Nick Nolte to play an Ugnaught." I don't know the actual story behind its development, obviously everything had to go through layers of approvals, but it feels organic. A bit of a western vibe? It’s 100% western. Not criticizing just pointing out. Western is a very good genre so it of course works. Also it’s Favreau whom Iger loves so he probably had free reign to do whatever he wanted.
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Bogus Adventure posted:JJ likes showing moments, but he doesn't always put in the necessary storytelling to build toward them. Starkiller Base blowing up seemingly random planets is a great example. It's a cool scene seeing energy beams tear across space while victims and bystanders watch. It's bad and scary, but confusing because it lacks context. We don't know why those planets are the ones that are targeted, or even if they are planets we're familiar with (are they Coruscant, Corellia, X-tooine?). It also doesn't carry as much weight as the Death Star blowing up Alderaan. The OT sets it up with Tarkin looking for a suitable planet to test out his new toy, uses the threat of blowing the planet up to get Leia to seemingly betray her allies, and then he proceeds to blow it up anyway. We never see the planet or any of the people living there, but the movie lays the story groundwork to establish its importance. Yeah, on a purely emotional level as a kid I thought "oh my God that's her home!!" The whole buildup to it escalates so well but even when it's happening it's a "they wouldn't do this would they? Eliminate an entire planet?" Then Obi Wan feeling it from across space was this revealing moment of his powers, as well as the tragedy of it underlined with one line of dialogue from Alec Guinness. JJs problem is he just recreates moments from the original movies but without any of the stakes or weight.
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Donovan Trip posted:Yeah, on a purely emotional level as a kid I thought "oh my God that's her home!!" The whole buildup to it escalates so well but even when it's happening it's a "they wouldn't do this would they? Eliminate an entire planet?"  Star Trek Into Darkness is a prime example of that. He twists the Wrath of Khan ending with Kirk dying from radiation poisoning while fixing the ship instead of Spock. However, there are zero stakes because the beginning of the movie shows that Khan has magic blood that can cure anything. Just in case you forget that detail, when Kirk dies, it immediately segues to VULCAN RAAAAGE!!! rather than giving the audience a moment to let his death sink in. One of the best shots IMHO in Wrath of Khan is when it pans away showing Kirk slumped on the ground next to his dead best friend. He looks broken and forlorn, letting the death have gravity. It lets the OH poo poo, THEY KILLED SPOCK?!? moment sink in.
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Dec 31, 2019 00:06
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You know what set piece Abrams has to have kept from Treverrow's original script? The bit where Rey goes to the remains of the Death Star II. It feels exactly like it came from Jurassic World.
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Dec 31, 2019 00:09
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Bogus Adventure posted:I think JJ had him masked because he wanted Not-Vader, which works IF you are interested in maintaining a mystery around the character. Like, if you get glimpses of the character outside of the mask, like we do with Vader and his hosed up head and face. That all gets thrown out the window if you have him unmasked in the first part of your trilogy, and you present him as a Sith LARP-er. I think that moment landed, actually. It played with expectations in sort of a fun, interesting way. And "Sith LARP-er" describes a version that we sort of got in TFA (between that and the temper tantrums), but got left behind as the trilogy let on. Like, If they had TFA-Kylo in charge of the FO for this movie, it could have been a different enemy. Rather than the cold, calculating Palpatine or whats-his-name from RoS, or even Hux, there's a rabid, petulant child with a lightsaber and a military apparatus capable of crushing a planet. That's an interesting villain in a very different way than what we've had. I don't think these are original thoughts, I'm sure I've read them somewhere.
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Dec 31, 2019 00:24
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Bogus Adventure posted:
Remember when Bones just injects a loving dead Tribble with some of Khan's blood? "Hey, whatcha doing Bones?" "I'm injecting the prisoner's blood into this dead animal." "Oh... well, then..." >backs away slowly while drawing phaser< Man, Into Darkness sucked.
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Boxman posted:I think that moment landed, actually. It played with expectations in sort of a fun, interesting way. Honestly, that whole "rabid, petulant child" shtick rubbed me the wrong way. I couldn't take him seriously as a villain, especially when his tantrums were treated as jokes, like Stormtroopers pulling this:  JonathonSpectre posted:Remember when Bones just injects a loving dead Tribble with some of Khan's blood? I remember hoping that Into Darkness was involving Gary Mitchell and weird space powers, but no. It was the laziest remake of Wrath of Khan without any of the backstory, coherence, or tension. gently caress that movie.
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Dec 31, 2019 00:51
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The problem with having a rabid petulant child ascend to complete domination over the galaxy's most powerful military machine is, Disney clearly doesn't want these movies to draw parallels to real life politics.
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Dec 31, 2019 01:00
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Which is funny since the politics of the times are intrinsically linked to OT/PT/sci-fi/fantasy in general
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Dec 31, 2019 01:04
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They wanted to tease a depth and thematic resonance to Kylo's character that they never intended to expand upon in a satisfying manner, and the end result is that everyone had a different interpretation of what he's "meant" to represent. Is he the toxic alt-right Star Wars fan? The franchise poking fun at itself admitting it could never replicate Vader? The brooding love interest? The abuse victim? The revolutionary who would end the cycle? And then he's unceremoniously disposed of and nobody's happy.
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Dec 31, 2019 01:22
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Co-writer of TROS on some of the uh, storytelling decisions https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-writer-sets-record-straight-perceived-last-jedi-jabs-1265168 Example: quote:Rey Palpatine. What were the ins and outs of that significant choice? They don't ask about the kiss 2/10 interviewer.
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Dec 31, 2019 01:27
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One thought I've had: Bringing Palpatine "back" might have worked, had he been, like, a ghost. So far we've seen "good" Jedi/Force-people rematerialize as helpful ghosts, but maybe somehow the vilest Sith ever known found a way to keep his soul alive, like some kind of weird sci-fi demon, and that's what's on the Sith planet that has to be defeated. That would resonate more than him being hauled around on a machine. He honestly doesn't seem much worse for having been thrown into a reactor on a space station that then exploded. Really, the thing is on paper I don't hate most of what literally developed, except the Rey Palpatine nonsense. It's mostly the presentation which is rushed and makes everything feel inconsequential.
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Dec 31, 2019 01:31
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Maxwell Lord posted:One thought I've had: Yeah or maybe the main threat is that he’s trying to return to corporeal form and that’s what they need to stop from happening. It feels like they chose the laziest, most thoughtless version of their ideas and said “gently caress it, good enough.”
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Haven't seen the movie but I assume literally nothing would be different if he was just a spooky ghost haunting the Death Star ruins?
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Dec 31, 2019 01:42
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Colonel Whitey posted:The point is that the actor never gets a chance to emote or convey anything at all. Mando remains a boring emotionless appliance at least through episode 6 (haven't seen the rest yet). It's like if you took the Man With No Name and told Clint Eastwood he could have zero charisma, put a helmet on him, and gave him no good lines. Tough job for the actor, that one's on the bad writing. You don't need to see his face to understand that he's having a major problem trying to prop up his warrior identity. It's been obvious since the start.
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“You know those parents that died protecting me? Yeah, gently caress those people.”
ruddiger fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Dec 31, 2019 |
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Dec 31, 2019 02:00
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Maxwell Lord posted:One thought I've had: I thought this is what they were going to do until the leaks started because there's already a precedent in the old Tales of the Jedi comics which is where the KOTOR time first got its start. In those I forget if it's said outright but the difference was thematically cool like a Jedi force ghost doesn't really physically do much but they're "one with the force" and can be anywhere/etc. like we see in the movies all the time. But like a Sith force ghost is more like a reject of that, like a poltergeist where they can actually effect the physical world to a pretty powerful extent but they're bound to a place because the Sith had a more physical approach to the force with a wider variety of like weapons and gauntlets and things instead of just a lightsaber and doing stuff with you're own mind. A lot of that is my own projection on how those comics played out but like, because of Ren having Vader's helmet/etc. it seemed like they were considering doing stuff like that at some point. Palpatine on a machine, now forever known as Puppetine, was pretty fun though.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Remember when Bones just injects a loving dead Tribble with some of Khan's blood? I'm still in awe that the movie opened with them dropping a cold fusion bomb on a volcano because someone thought cold fusion meant "extremely cold"
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Dec 31, 2019 02:14
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Neo Rasa posted:Palpatine on a machine, now forever known as Puppetine, was pretty fun though. lmao Seemlar posted:I'm still in awe that the movie opened with them dropping a cold fusion bomb on a volcano because someone thought cold fusion meant "extremely cold"  I loving hate Into Darkness...
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I saw Rise of Skywalker a week ago and liked it. I'm actually a bit surprised how poorly people here seemed to react to it. The leads were fun, the uneasy relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren was well done, it was nice to see Lando again, and the action was neat (if occasionally silly). Some things, like the return of Palpatine and the Final Order fleet, felt very pulpy in a good way, which Star Wars has often veered into. So why do people here seem to dislike the movie much? I haven't followed behind-the-scenes stuff, but I'll admit that this new trilogy suffered from a lack of central vision and planning, with the different movies having somewhat incongruous tones and characterizations. Is that the main problem, or is it a case of people having specific expectations that weren't met?
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DorianGravy posted:I saw Rise of Skywalker a week ago and liked it. I'm actually a bit surprised how poorly people here seemed to react to it. The leads were fun, the uneasy relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren was well done, it was nice to see Lando again, and the action was neat (if occasionally silly). Some things, like the return of Palpatine and the Final Order fleet, felt very pulpy in a good way, which Star Wars has often veered into. Honest to god non-troll question: what did you think of The Last Jedi?
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Pollyanna posted:Honest to god non-troll question: what did you think of The Last Jedi? Not OP but I have pretty similar positive sentiments towards Episode IX, and I think TLJ feels more like a TV episode and less like a movie in scope, in the sense that the plot has advanced very little between the beginning and the end. In more concrete terms, there isn't a strong sense that the characters at the end of the movie have really grown since the beginning. Poe is still an immature hotshot squadron commander who can't see the big picture, and Finn is still trying to find his place in the resistance. Rey and by extension Kylo have grown the most over the movie, and Rey's subplot was by far the most interesting. If I had to change things as little as possible, I'd play up Finn's depression and suicidal ideation, which makes his attempted sacrifice less heroic and more futile and tragic, and gives him a character arc growing from feelings of worthlessness as a disposable, replaceable soldier to an appreciation for the lives of not just his comrades but also for himself.
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Pollyanna posted:Honest to god non-troll question: what did you think of The Last Jedi? I initially liked it, but have come to dislike it as time passes. My main problems with it: 1) The space-chase and mutiny subplots felt like they went on for ages and the payoff (Poe learning to respect authority) seemed unnecessary. Plus, the First Order should have been able to simply jump ahead of them and put a stop to it. 2) I felt like the tone of the movie was fairly bleak, which I didn't like. Watching as helpless resistance ships are slowly destroyed was dour. Toward the end of the movie, the entire resistance is dwindled down to a small enough cast that they can fit into the Millennium Falcon. 3) I disliked Luke's behavior. You can chalk this up to me having expectations that weren't met, but to me, Luke was largely an optimist in the original trilogy. For him to hide away (for years?) after a single failure, rather than try to help, seemed out of character. Sure, characters should grow and change, but like the point above, it contributed to the bleak tone of the movie. There were also some smaller things. The casino planet seemed somewhat pointless, and the action scenes which happened there weren't very interesting. It was also strange that they never explained who Snoke was supposed to be. Also, the light speed kamikaze, while visually neat, seems to invalidate a lot of the combat in Star Wars. Why build a Death Star if you could strap a hyperdrive to an asteroid/moon and have a similar effect? (Tangentially, I always thought that ships in hyperspace were in some sort of wormhole and couldn't smash into things, as suggested by the name "hyperspace" and the tunnel-like special effects.) To the movie's credit, I liked the characters (although I wish the main characters got to interact with each other more), I liked the growing connection between Rey and Kylo Ren, Snoke's death was surprising and well done, and Rose's message about saving the things that you love was nice. I was fine with Rey not being related to anyone, because I hadn't really expected her to be. I wanted to like the movie, and I can see why other people do, but for me it's not much fun or optimistic and spends too much time on things that aren't that interesting.
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