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really queer Christmas posted:The next six posts decide the fate of the world https://youtu.be/yTtUOFC8tDE
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Quads City? More like QUDS city, Ummawi.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:11
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Kurtofan posted:John mccain looking up, smiling him and Bush sr
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Jan 3, 2020 15:13
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Chuka Umana posted:Stop posting unverified tweets. The Blue Checkmark Martyrs Brigade is my favorite PMU. 
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I think this will be the test of whether or not US hegemony is ultimately unbreakable. If Iran doesn't respond with actual military force it means that the US can do whatever it wants in any country. It's a huge gamble for Trump with an equally huge payoff if it goes his way. The lack of military force from Iran so far indicates they have no idea what the gently caress to do. I'm still leaning towards predicting that Iran won't do anything besides issuing a few statements calling for the annihilation of the US and Israel. Chuka Umana has issued a correction as of 15:30 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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Jan 3, 2020 15:27
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idk the natural move here would be to assassinate us officials abroad, and that's something iran is very much capable of doing
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Jan 3, 2020 15:35
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:i mean the natural move here would be to assassinate us officials abroad, and that's something iran is very much capable of doing They can do that but they have to recognize that a retaliatory strike is something Trump wants so he has a reason to start the war. They really can't do anything without starting a war. The Iranian government is probably freaking the gently caress out right now about how limited their options are, and the fact it's been almost 12 hours with no official response shows that Trump's cooked their goose.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:36
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Chuka Umana posted:They can do that but they have to recognize that a retaliatory strike is something Trump wants so he has a reason to start the war. They really can't do anything without starting a war. The Iranian government is probably freaking the gently caress out right now about how limited their options are, and the fact it's been almost 12 hours with no official response shows that Trump's cooked their goose. Forcing the Iraqi government to expel American forces seems like their best option. If they can't manage that after something like this, people have been dramatically overstating their influence for years. If the Iraqi government tries and American forces don't leave, congrats, we have an occupation again.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:38
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Iran's best option that would get the entire world on their side would probably be to blow up Trump hotels and golf resorts in other countries.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:39
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exquisite tea posted:Iran's best option that would get the entire world on their side would probably be to blow up Trump hotels and golf resorts in other countries. Erdogan would be pissed if Iran took away the leverage he has over Trump in Istanbul.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:41
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Sinteres posted:Forcing the Iraqi government to expel American forces seems like their best option. If they can't manage that after something like this, people have been dramatically overstating their influence for years. If the Iraqi government tries and American forces don't leave, congrats, we have an occupation again. Iran would be threatening the Iraqi bourgeois and middle classes by removing the US presence. It wouldn't make it through parliament because the moneyed interests would be hounding the MPs. The Iranian regime has been overestimated by the western press and the neoconservatives. The country is in economic shambles and their various proxies across the middle east like Hezbollah are basically just an anti-Zionist street gang at this point. Chuka Umana has issued a correction as of 15:46 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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Jan 3, 2020 15:42
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Chuka Umana posted:Iran would be threatening the Iraqi bourgeois and middle classes by removing the US presence. It wouldn't make it through parliament because the moneyed interests would be hounding the MPs. The Iraqi PM seems to have jumped right in there anyway. https://twitter.com/abujamajem/status/1213010725574070272?s=21
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Jan 3, 2020 15:49
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Chuka Umana posted:Iran would be threatening the Iraqi bourgeois and middle classes by removing the US presence. It wouldn't make it through parliament because the moneyed interests would be hounding the MPs. I think you're veering a bit far in the other direction if you think Hezbollah's just a street gang. Their "win" over Israel in 2006 has been overstated, but they were the elite force that kept Assad alive in the early years of the Syrian Civil War, in which they got a lot of battlefield experience. Iraqi militias aren't on their level, but they have combat experience from the fight against ISIS too.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:51
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Chuka Umana posted:I think this will be the test of whether or not US hegemony is ultimately unbreakable. If Iran doesn't respond with actual military force it means that the US can do whatever it wants in any country. It's a huge gamble for Trump with an equally huge payoff if it goes his way. it hasn't even been a day since the assassination
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Jan 3, 2020 15:51
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Suleimani getting merked by a drone means someone on the ground sold him out, right?
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Jan 3, 2020 15:55
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Atrocious Joe posted:it hasn't even been a day since the assassination Wow no coordinated attacks on U.S. assets in 12 hours? Iran is trash.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:55
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succ posted:Wow no coordinated attacks on U.S. assets in 12 hours? Iran is trash. Not only has it only been half a day, the guy who would be coordinating the attacks just got assassinated
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Jan 3, 2020 15:57
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Chuka Umana posted:Iran would be threatening the Iraqi bourgeois and middle classes by removing the US presence. It wouldn't make it through parliament because the moneyed interests would be hounding the MPs. you’re a loving moron bro
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Jan 3, 2020 15:58
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Nothus posted:Suleimani getting merked by a drone means someone on the ground sold him out, right? They were US helicopters, and his flight into Iraq was public knowledge. None of this was a secret, they just thought Trump wouldn't be deranged enough to do something like this.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:58
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Nothus posted:Suleimani getting merked by a drone means someone on the ground sold him out, right? No, he was openly and legally in the country with thr full knowledge of the iraqi government, as a uniformed representative of a country they have diplomatic relations with. He wasn't hiding, because under normal circumstances he shouldn't have to - the US has just basically declared they can murder anyone from any government whenever and wherever they choose.
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Jan 3, 2020 16:00
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Chuka Umana posted:Iran would be threatening the Iraqi bourgeois and middle classes by removing the US presence. It wouldn't make it through parliament because the moneyed interests would be hounding the MPs. ah, it's been jeez, it's only been like eight hours since these details emerged, grover-in-training
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Jan 3, 2020 16:03
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Chuka Umana posted:Iran would be threatening the Iraqi bourgeois and middle classes by removing the US presence. It wouldn't make it through parliament because the moneyed interests would be hounding the MPs. no one in Iraq ever made a profit from America, that’s why Iran is way more popular than America has ever been.
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Jan 3, 2020 16:03
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US conservatives seem to think that Suleimani being in Iraq at all was illegal, so I wonder if that influenced Trump's decision. US officials seem to actually believe that their designation of the IRGC as a terrorist group reflects reality and isn't just a legal justification.
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Jan 3, 2020 16:04
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Atrocious Joe posted:US conservatives seem to think that Suleimani being in Iraq at all was illegal, so I wonder if that influenced Trump's decision. Our pal Noam is right, US actions only make sense if you assume we think we own the entire world
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Chuka Umana posted:They can do that but they have to recognize that a retaliatory strike is something Trump wants so he has a reason to start the war. They really can't do anything without starting a war. The Iranian government is probably freaking the gently caress out right now about how limited their options are, and the fact it's been almost 12 hours with no official response shows that Trump's cooked their goose. I want to know what drug combo you need to take to be this loving dumb.
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Jan 3, 2020 16:12
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i think we need to chill and put away our risk boards: persia edition until we hear more news from iran
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Jan 3, 2020 16:20
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Darth Walrus posted:The Iraqi PM seems to have jumped right in there anyway. if the tweeter is accurately describing the statement, then it looks like Iran is also emphasizing the strike as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty. You don't have to squint super hard to see "escalation of conflict in Iraq" as a likely/major avenue of response.
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Jan 3, 2020 16:22
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Chuka Umana posted:The Iranian regime has been overestimated by the western press and the neoconservatives. The country is in economic shambles and their various proxies across the middle east like Hezbollah are basically just an anti-Zionist street gang at this point. This [mine] post typed from inside a wrecked merkava tank in southern lebanon
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Jan 3, 2020 16:26
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Iran is probably also waiting for the funerals to conclude before doing something. The guy's body isn't even in the ground yet.
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Jan 3, 2020 16:27
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Does it even matter what Iran does? Can they even afford to do nothing if that's what it would take?
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Jan 3, 2020 16:36
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it’s been eight hours not everyone launches missiles at airports as a laugh. if you are going to retaliate you got to plan it first
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Jan 3, 2020 16:36
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Phigs posted:Does it even matter what Iran does? Can they even afford to do nothing if that's what it would take? well they could mass cruise missile attack saudi arabias oil production and I can promise that's gonna matter the question is what they WILL do and as people have been saying they weren't exactly sitting there expecting one of their top military officials to be assassinated while on official diplomatic business with a planned response to that kind of aggression. mila kunis posted:No, he was openly and legally in the country with thr full knowledge of the iraqi government, as a uniformed representative of a country they have diplomatic relations with. He wasn't hiding, because under normal circumstances he shouldn't have to - the US has just basically declared they can murder anyone from any government whenever and wherever they choose. yeah this is what's so hosed up about it, it's literally a tinpot dictator move like something you'd expect bolsonaro or the interim government of bolivia to try to pull
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Jan 3, 2020 16:45
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I mean I never thought they were gonna be so stupid, I thought they might hit another PMU leader or something but not this
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Jan 3, 2020 16:49
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Martout posted:well they could mass cruise missile attack saudi arabias oil production and I can promise that's gonna matter Nah I mean in terms of does it matter for preventing war. Do they have any realistic ways to de-escalate at this point?
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Jan 3, 2020 16:55
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we could theoretically but we definitely won’t
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Chuka Umana posted:I think this will be the test of whether or not US hegemony is ultimately unbreakable. If Iran doesn't respond with actual military force it means that the US can do whatever it wants in any country. It's a huge gamble for Trump with an equally huge payoff if it goes his way. Chuka Umana posted:Iran would be threatening the Iraqi bourgeois and middle classes by removing the US presence. It wouldn't make it through parliament because the moneyed interests would be hounding the MPs. it is I the goon acting like im an expert on something i know absolutely nothing about so that I the Expert Genius can lord over all the other goons that also dont know what the gently caress is going to happen and what iran is planning
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middle east thread: #severerevenge
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