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If you highroll a number that dodges your opponent's removal this card seems very strong, you can probably kill the 1 or 2 creatures your opponent has that would be able to block it. It seems like it will be TNN with double the power a reasonable amount of the time.
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I actually think Achilles here is quite good My question is where's the part where he pouts in his tent and refuses to do anything
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Elyv posted:I actually think Achilles here is quite good What deck would play him? A 4 drop in boros without haste?
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Jan 3, 2020 17:13
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C-Euro posted:The number 3, my one weakness! How did you know?! It's his Achilles Heel  I actually think this card looks quite strong; if you can protect it from your opponent's one or two threats of the right cost, it starts to look a lot like a 6/1 True-Name Nemesis. The randomness may actually be a significant benefit since it can't be (as easily) sideboarded against. I want to try building around this one.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:13
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There are going to be certain games where you just lose to that dude and get increasingly more frustrated as you fail to draw cards that interact with it. Probably only in limited though.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:13
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Sickening posted:What deck would play him? A 4 drop in boros without haste? In commander, where he's virtually invincible.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:14
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I’m surprised at the reaction, I thought Achilles was a super cool design and potentially pretty powerful.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:15
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Sickening posted:What deck would play him? A 4 drop in boros without haste? Seems like a reasonable top end in aggro because he has 6 power and is immune to most removal If lots of people are playing wraths he gets worse ofc
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Jan 3, 2020 17:15
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The downsides outweigh the upsides most of the time IMO.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:17
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Cactrot posted:Why Seems fine. Getting beat to death by this in limited while desperately searching for something with the right CMC to answer it is going to be infuriating.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:18
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Mat Cauthon posted:Seems fine. Getting beat to death by this in limited while desperately searching for something with the right CMC to answer it is going to be infuriating. That's kinda my problem with it, it either just dies or randomly takes over the game.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:22
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Hakros is better then he seems. 6/1 is a weird statline, but randomly having protection from most of the spells in the game (and not always the same ones) makes him really obnoxious to deal with. 4 in particular dodges most of the removal in the currently seeing play not named Wicked Wolf and forces the opponent to trade with something far nicer then Hakros himself. Even rolling a 2 against most decks requires one of a small suite of answers in hand- most of GP Portland's top 8 have less then eight ways to interact with him at 2 at all pre-sideboard. I'm not saying he's some crazy bomb, but he could be an amazing game 1 surprise against a lot of decks that you take out as decks sideboard in a clumsy suite of cards to deal with him. Rolling a 3 is probably the feel-bad moment of the current year though, yeah, but this guy plus a repeatable source of flicker (like Thassa) could be pretty funny.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:22
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Haktos is quite literally Variance: The Creature.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:22
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LupusAter posted:How? They still can't block him. true! i actually think the number one thing that might keep him from seeing play is that atrocious mana cost and lack of haste. he'll beat down quickly, and he's super funny in conjunction with flicker effects, but taking all of turn 4 (assuming your mana is PERFECT) to play a non-hasted threat that might just die (depending on luck and what oppo is holding) is not what boros wants to be doing.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:29
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I mean it still dies to carnarium and time wipe and kayas wrath and a 2/3 chance of being vulnerable to the staple removal of the format.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:30
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:true! Sure, but at least he's a very potent blocker on turn 4.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:31
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Count Bleck posted:Sure, but at least he's a very potent blocker on turn 4. Can't wait for someone to block a questing beast with this guy though.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:36
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Well at least I can put through a lot of damage with an Embercleave on him at least right guys? ... right? 
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Jan 3, 2020 17:39
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Yeah Haktos is actually really hard to kill. The wording is confusing, but he has protection from EVERY number other than the picked number, not just the other two. That's a lot of protection, actually.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:47
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Count Bleck posted:In commander, where he's virtually invincible. commander, a format where no one runs a trillion board wipes!
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Jan 3, 2020 17:49
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Paul Zuvella posted:commander, a format where no one runs a trillion board wipes! Look man if someone is blowing a board wipe for a 6/1 then I'm doing my job.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:50
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I actually like the Phoenix. 
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Jan 3, 2020 17:52
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He doesn't really work in commander anyway because he also has protection from all the equipment you'd want to put on him.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:52
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You can't even voltron him up though. Like this guy needs to swing at the same target 4 times in order to kill them. e: ^^ 
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Jan 3, 2020 17:53
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Just blink him until you get the protection number you want. Do I have to think of everything!?
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Jan 3, 2020 17:54
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Just run static enchantments! True conviction has a new friend! 
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Jan 3, 2020 17:54
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odiv posted:Well at least I can put through a lot of damage with an Embercleave on him at least right guys? Sorry, he has protection from 6
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Jan 3, 2020 17:54
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Hearthstone garbage in MY card game?!
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Jan 3, 2020 17:57
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Lone Goat posted:Sorry, he has protection from 6
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Jan 3, 2020 18:00
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I saw it pointed out that with Hushbringer out Haktos never chooses a number and as such has protection from everything, does it actually work that way?
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Jan 3, 2020 18:19
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It is both a cool way to do a top down Achilles and also a bad card.
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Jan 3, 2020 18:20
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LupusAter posted:I saw it pointed out that with Hushbringer out Haktos never chooses a number and as such has protection from everything, does it actually work that way? "AS [blank] enters the battlefield" is not a trigger. I'm not precisely sure what it is (replacement effect? something else??) but it's not a trigger, or every 0/0 that comes with counters would die before it got them.
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Jan 3, 2020 18:23
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LupusAter posted:I saw it pointed out that with Hushbringer out Haktos never chooses a number and as such has protection from everything, does it actually work that way?
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Jan 3, 2020 18:24
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Haktos with Lazav.... oh yeah that’s the stuff
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Achilles seems like a good card to me. A nigh-unkillable curve topper in an aggro deck doesn't seem like an immediate write-off, although these things are always contextual, obvs
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https://twitter.com/elishffrn/status/1213148285415804929?s=21
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Jan 3, 2020 18:34
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I don't think it's hard to have either a removal spell or a blocker on one of the chosen numbers. If my calculations are correct, the odds are somewhere around 74.83%
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Jan 3, 2020 18:34
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Kurtofan posted:
Nice to see blue picking up tax effects
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Jan 3, 2020 18:37
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Haktos would be really bad if people played Paradise Druid, Lovestruck Beast, and Questing Beast in the same deck. Good thing that could never happen. Edit: Or Brineborn Cutthroat, Bonecrusher Giant, and Ral's Outburst in the same deck. But what are the odds?
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Protection isn't even invincibility!
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