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Celexi posted:They or their proxies will likely do something spectacular in the region that will bad for the US, but how soon that is is impossible to know and at the moment I don't think they would do any action against US territory. It doesn't really matter. They could blow up a US aircraft carrier or insult dipshit on twitter. Either way he will see it as an aggression and double down until the Iranian government has no choice but to do something crazy big. And how that goes, imo, is that the United States goes to war, NATO breaks with some countries supporting and some not, so NATO will be gone, Putin and China join Iran to help fight and then we have WW3. Which, looking back on the past 3+ years of situations seems to be Putin's goal. And that is a bad thing since I believe he might have thought this through and planned for it while dipshit is still at his goddamn golf course.
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Lightning Knight posted:That is probably the incident I’m thinking of and I was being too flippant/imprecise. I apologize. No apology needed! I'm looking into becoming a supply pilot for MSF and similar programs, and I'd really prefer to not be shot down, is all. 
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1glitch0 posted:It doesn't really matter. They could blow up a US aircraft carrier or insult dipshit on twitter. Either way he will see it as an aggression and double down until the Iranian government has no choice but to do something crazy big. The situation is unquestionably bad but also this kind of Tom Clancy bullshit isn’t necessary, and Putin is not a loving James Bond villain with precognition.
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Jan 4, 2020 04:06
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1glitch0 posted:It doesn't really matter. They could blow up a US aircraft carrier or insult dipshit on twitter. Either way he will see it as an aggression and double down until the Iranian government has no choice but to do something crazy big. Stop. That is loving ridiculous
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Jan 4, 2020 04:11
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Lightning Knight posted:The situation is unquestionably bad but also this kind of Tom Clancy bullshit isn’t necessary, and Putin is not a loving James Bond villain with precognition. In fact, if anything, Putin seems to be pretty clever tactician with a pretty poor ability to anticipate long term consequences to short term gains, like how snatching the Crimea made Russia a firm international outcast, or how a bunch of Olympic glory resulted in multiple years of Russia being banned from competition.
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Delthalaz posted:Sending 3,500 more troops to the region is definitely bad but it would probably take the entire US military to launch an invasion of Iran.l Who knows, maybe even a draft would be necessary. US would need two to three million men to successfully invade Iran given the population and terrain. Would absolutely require a draft and 30-36 month build up to even launch the initial assault. Obviously not going to happen.
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/1213291335534469120 Haha, what a lame argument. What, was Obama supposed to throw on a tan suit and Superman fly to Florida to stop dumbshit from doing an insanely stupid thing?
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1glitch0 posted:It doesn't really matter. They could blow up a US aircraft carrier or insult dipshit on twitter. Either way he will see it as an aggression and double down until the Iranian government has no choice but to do something crazy big. I knew all this time Putin was just angling to see his own country bathed in nuclear flame by starting WWIII
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Lightning Knight posted:The situation is unquestionably bad but also this kind of Tom Clancy bullshit isn’t necessary, and Putin is not a loving James Bond villain with precognition. Also Russia stood by and let it happen when Israel was bombing Iranian assets in Syria. They are not allies with Iran, they just have some aligned interests. Getting a whole bunch of their people killed for Iran isn't one of them. It's not the sort of conflict the Russian public would care about.
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The Glumslinger posted:I wonder if it's actually Pelosi or the group of 5-10 chucklefucks who have been trying to derail it the whole time It's Pelosi.
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1glitch0 posted:Haha, what a lame argument. What, was Obama supposed to throw on a tan suit and Superman fly to Florida to stop dumbshit from doing an insanely stupid thing? The President of the DEEP STATE is supposed to be on the job 24/7.
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Charlz Guybon posted:US would need two to three million men to successfully invade Iran given the population and terrain. Would absolutely require a draft and 30-36 month build up to even launch the initial assault. Obviously not going to happen. We built up to attack Iraq in what, 12 - 18 months? I'm sure we can get it done in 6, if even less than that if we really set our minds to it. Granted that Trump would be doing all the preparations it might take even longer. Also the only real conceivable corridor to attack Iran / Tehran is through Iraq, and given how utterly pissed they are we would likely need to fully invade and occupy it yet again as a staging area
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Luckyellow posted:Isn't he mocking the Examiner? I mean, maybe I am giving him too much credit but that's how it seems to me. No, he's a moron and saying he would rather have Trump handling Iran policy than Obama.
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If you believe the Iranian expat foreign policy talking heads on MSNBC which I'm inclined to give more credence to than Max Boot, Iran will definitely retaliate with violence, probably on a soft target we'd last suspect. They have agents around the world. I also expect lots of unrest and violence in Iraq poo poo's bad
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:https://twitter.com/OKnox/status/1213219771178770432
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'World War III' Trends as Hawks Rejoice at Trump Decision to Assassinate Iranian Military Leader commondreams.org/January 03, 2020 "As peace advocates voiced alarm at the very real prospect of all-out conflict with Iran following the assassination Thursday night of that country's top military leader on orders from U.S. President Donald Trump, war hawks who have had their crosshairs trained on Iran for years enthusiastically celebrated Trump's decision—and even suggested the president should go further by targeting the nation's oil refineries." Marco Rubio Tom Cotton Jim Risch Ben Sasse
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Lightning Knight posted:The situation is unquestionably bad but also this kind of Tom Clancy bullshit isn’t necessary, and Putin is not a loving James Bond villain with precognition. Do you suppose Putin had no idea or no plan or no no spoon stirring this stew?
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Feldegast42 posted:We built up to attack Iraq in what, 12 - 18 months? I'm sure we can get it done in 6, if even less than that if we really set our minds to it. Granted that Trump would be doing all the preparations it might take even longer. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but, why would be able to build up an invasion force for Iran vastly swifter than we were able to build up for Iraq?
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Sorry to interrupt, but I lost the link to the old effortpost about invading Iran in the last 40 pages. Could I bother someone for a link? There's a Redditor throwing around something similar on my FB and I'm wondering if it's just a copy or there's some other angles to it.
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UnknownTarget posted:I don't think anything major will happen between now and Monday. God forbid Iran interrupts his tee shot by bombing a military base or something
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Did President Trump Say U.S. Generals Were ‘Better Looking Than Tom Cruise, and Stronger’? snopes.com/ 'Early in 2018, the 45th president famously dismissed claims that his mental state was “unstable” and that he routinely demonstrated a lack of competency for the duties of his office by insisting he was a “very stable genius,” and “like, really smart.” In January 2019, a meme emerged online that appeared to show President Trump paying U.S. military leaders the somewhat bizarre compliment of being “better looking than Tom Cruise, and stronger,” while marveling at the quality of a Pentagon meeting room. The anti-Trump, pro-labor union Facebook page “Union Thugs” then posted the meme, which was shared widely:"' “I had a meeting at the Pentagon with lots of generals. They were like from a movie. Better looking than Tom Cruise, and stronger. And I had more generals than I’ve ever seen, and we were at the bottom of this incredible room. I said ‘This is the greatest room I’ve ever seen." .... "The quotation is complete and authentic. President Trump made the remarks during a lengthy, sprawling public cabinet meeting at the White House, which the New York Times labelled “freewheeling and fact-free.” Seventy-nine minutes into the meeting, a reporter asked President Trump whether he had a timeline in mind for the withdrawal of American troops from Syria, a policy decision Trump announced in December 2018 which prompted the almost immediate resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. The president did not answer that question but instead responded by criticizing former President Barack Obama’s record on U.S. military involvement in Syria, reiterating his own desire to withdraw troops from the country (calling it “sand and death”) and asserting that American military efforts to defeat ISIS in Syria had primarily benefited Iran, Russia, and the authoritarian regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The president then strayed into a tangent about Iran, saying it was “a much different country to what it was when I became president."'.... Check your snow tires.
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Otteration posted:Do you suppose Putin had no idea or no plan or no no spoon stirring this stew? i don't think trump needs putin to tell him to do something utterly loving stupid that will result in immense suffering.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Well hopefully not because the Orange Baby needs to get his golfing in before he begrudgingly goes back to Washington to do 'work' (read- tweeting) It's the weekend, which, weirdly, the entire world seems to slow down or stop if they're not during a workweek. Plus, Iran is going through three days of mourning for their general, so they are unlikely to interrupt that with an attack. Finally, they need to plan and organize. Monday/Tuesday is probably when we'll see them move at all.
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Meridian posted:At what point are insane orders like this going to be refused? Mattis refused orders for a massive attack on Syria, but Mattis ain't there anymore.
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A big flaming stink posted:i don't think trump needs putin to tell him to do something utterly loving stupid that will result in immense suffering. True, but Putin could be the last goon in the ear canal that the poo poo smear heard. That Putin knew nothing before, during, or after today remains to be established.
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1glitch0 posted:It doesn't really matter. They could blow up a US aircraft carrier or insult dipshit on twitter. Either way he will see it as an aggression and double down until the Iranian government has no choice but to do something crazy big. The US attacking Iran doesn't have to involve NATO. Remember that the UK had a fun little war in South America without NATO being involved. I mean, Donny could certainly try an invoke Article 5 for a war he started but that probably isn't going anywhere. Which is assuming we actually get into an actual war with Iran, which isn't that likely. We'll just be proxy warring all over the place, which also doesn't involve NATO.
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I'm actually a little surprised I haven't seen much news on other countries reacting to this yet. Like the entire loving world is waiting with its breath held.
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Otteration posted:True, but Putin could be the last goon in the ear canal that the poo poo smear heard. That Putin knew nothing before, during, or after today remains to be established. oh come off this nonsense. blowing up a bad man to make him feel like a big boy is 100% within trumps normal behavior. stop trying to blame the loving russians for the murderous rot that infects this country! it's completely goddamn home grown
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Which Clancy book was it where at the end the US drops a bomb on the Ayatollah of Iran and it's like played live on TV as it occurs during a briefing by the President?
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:This logic is wild. "An eye for an eye leaves me the bigliest winner, just the best, the blindest man, the king blind man"
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Veryslightlymad posted:I'm actually a little surprised I haven't seen much news on other countries reacting to this yet. Like the entire loving world is waiting with its breath held. They know if they tell Trump to back off and scold him for assassinating an Iranian general he will get mad and do something ten times worse.
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Crazyweasel posted:Very nice of LA Times to enable noted morons to distance themselves from “Trump’s decision” as if they never thought that he would go for the big strong man option and to an above posters point, definitely didn’t brief it in a way that made that the “sexy” option I imagine they just launched into the route speech from Yes Minister that they give to every president and he picked the sixth option quote:Jim Hacker: Humphrey, do you think it is a good idea to issue a statement?
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Otteration posted:Do you suppose Putin had no idea or no plan or no no spoon stirring this stew?
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Veryslightlymad posted:I'm actually a little surprised I haven't seen much news on other countries reacting to this yet. Like the entire loving world is waiting with its breath held. Israel is the only one I remember seeing, and yeah it was pretty obvious what their position would be. Honestly the situation is so weirdly hosed why issue a statement if you don't have to. There is no upsides, only downsides. I guess something like "we are monitoring the situation closely" is bland enough not to offend either side. I'm sure most of the normal US allies are just desperately hoping they wont get caught up in this poo poo show.
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