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Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
that's not so much an argument in favor of voice acting as it is proof that you should shop around for a good foley engineer

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Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



mind the walrus posted:

This but unironically.

The games where I've given a gently caress about the story-- your Metal Gear Solids, Silent Hill 2 and 3, Psychonauts, Final Fantasy VI, The Witcher 2, Shadowrun Returns 1-3, Resident Evil Remake 1-2, Knights of the Old Republic, Devotion/Detention, Yakuza Kiwami 2, Sexy Brutale, What Remains of Edith Finch, Layers of Fear, Half-Life 1-Episode 2, Portal 2, Fallout 1-2 and New Vegas, and Monkey Island 1-2 all had two out of three things in common:

1. I was playing them as a literal child/teenager with a lot more time and a lower frame of reference for what constitutes truly deep art.

2. The games had exceptional presentation with the option to skip forward once you go the jist of what was going on.

3. The gameplay loops-- major and micro--were engaging. Even during the bullshit 20 minute cutscenes in Metal Gear Solid you could still gently caress around with joysticks in the Codec window or bounce around the room in Half-Life 2 and throw objects at the NPC's stupid faces.

I wasn’t posting ironically, I’m never going to sit there and go “wow this story is so incredible” if I’m playing video games I just want to play video games not have some ham fisted plot line shoved down my throat by d list actors

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

The White Dragon posted:

that's not so much an argument in favor of voice acting as it is proof that you should shop around for a good foley engineer

Although now that I think about it that plot was terrible and voice acting would probably have made it harder to ignore. How about games just not have plot ever? Yeah that's the ticket it just gets in the way anyway!

Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jan 3, 2020

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

razorrozar posted:

what remains of edith finch came out in 2017 so you were not playing it as a child/teenager

mind the walrus posted:

The games where I've given a gently caress about the story...all had two out of three things in common:


big crush on Chad OMG posted:

I wasn’t posting ironically, I’m never going to sit there and go “wow this story is so incredible” if I’m playing video games I just want to play video games not have some ham fisted plot line shoved down my throat by d list actors
Video games are unable to tell stories and impart observations about the human condition as well as books/film, but smart games do dovetail mechanics with the scaffolding conceits of plot and character and the literal role play can create a level of performative empathy that books/films can't, and while that often manifests in creepy Dad garbage like Assassin's Creed, The Last of Us, or God of War, it's reflexively contrarian at best to pretend video games are exclusively arcade experiences, especially since turbonerds have been working on the immersive side of the medium since the late 70s.

razorrozar
Feb 21, 2012

by Cyrano4747

i can't read and i finally got prescribed HRT today so my brain is happy mush my bad

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

razorrozar posted:

i can't read and i finally got prescribed HRT today so my brain is happy mush my bad

It's cool it was small writing in a deluge of :words: kudos on the HRT that poo poo has my respect.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

mind the walrus posted:

The games where I've given a gently caress about the story-- your Metal Gear Solids

lol

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"


videogames are an inherently dumb thing to spend money on but I have gone above and beyond and spent cash on one of those 3/4 scale 1up arcade cabs. it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever bought, by a huge margin, but I’m grinning loving ear to ear here

razorrozar posted:

i can't read and i finally got prescribed HRT today so my brain is happy mush my bad

gratz! :cheers:

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Like an idiot, I bought a Pyre shirt from the supergiant games' store

i love it and it is so comfy

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

mind the walrus posted:

1. I was playing them as a literal child/teenager with a lot more time and a lower frame of reference for what constitutes truly deep art.

This guy gets it

Whorelord
May 1, 2013

Jump into the well...

Fat Larry from Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines justifies voice acting.

That game is also deep art.

Aoi
Sep 12, 2017

Perpetually a Pain.
I, too, think of Fat Larry fairly often when the subject of videogame voice acting comes up.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

food court bailiff posted:

videogames are an inherently dumb thing to spend money on but I have gone above and beyond and spent cash on one of those 3/4 scale 1up arcade cabs. it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever bought, by a huge margin, but I’m grinning loving ear to ear here


gratz! :cheers:

Same, I have the Mortal Kombat one and it’s delightful. Whenever my friends come over everybody always wants to throw down on that thing.

Kaiju Cage Match
Nov 5, 2012




QuarkJets posted:

Like an idiot, I bought a Pyre shirt from the supergiant games' store

i love it and it is so comfy

I'm going to buy the Bastion bandanna for my dog.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

food court bailiff posted:

videogames are an inherently dumb thing to spend money on but I have gone above and beyond and spent cash on one of those 3/4 scale 1up arcade cabs. it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever bought, by a huge margin, but I’m grinning loving ear to ear here

you got ripped off. for the same price you could have bought some plywood at the hardware store and made a full sized MAME cabinet. there are dozens of prefab kits now and they go for like $150:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PYZDJDX/

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Rutibex posted:

you got ripped off. for the same price you could have bought some plywood at the hardware store and made a full sized MAME cabinet. there are dozens of prefab kits now and they go for like $150:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PYZDJDX/


This is just "NES Classic? just set up RetroPie :smug:" but on a larger scale

e: snyping myself before the inevitable "yeah the NES classic was a ripoff too" response

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Snow Cone Capone posted:

This is just "NES Classic? just set up RetroPie :smug:" but on a larger scale

e: snyping myself before the inevitable "yeah the NES classic was a ripoff too" response

raspberry pi are garbage for emulation. there are much better options for a smug replacement for the NES classic

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Pandora's Box is the super illegal chinese thing isn't it? Theyve got cabinets all over tier 3 cities in china with every mame compatable game in them. The most insane are the single player genesis titles I saw rigged up once that charged you per 99 seconds of play.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Barudak posted:

Pandora's Box is the super illegal chinese thing isn't it? Theyve got cabinets all over tier 3 cities in china with every mame compatable game in them. The most insane are the single player genesis titles I saw rigged up once that charged you per 99 seconds of play.

yeah its a chinese thing. if you order it from ali-express they are even cheaper than amazon (the amazon sellers are just dropshipping from aliexpress anyway). its the equivalent of those "5000 in 1" NES cartridges but its an arcade cabnet

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
The 1up cabinets also have the original art from whichever included game had the coolest designs. Its not the most money:game ratio you’ll get for arcade stuff but I like mine. I just wish there were more volume controls than “Mute->loud->REALLY GOD drat LOUD”.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"


Ugly In The Morning posted:

Same, I have the Mortal Kombat one and it’s delightful. Whenever my friends come over everybody always wants to throw down on that thing.

I love the synthesized little voice clips, it’s seriously like a big box that is a time machine back to hanging out at the mall food court as a kid.


Rutibex posted:

you got ripped off. for the same price you could have bought some plywood at the hardware store and made a full sized MAME cabinet. there are dozens of prefab kits now and they go for like $150:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PYZDJDX/


i know you’re famous for proxying whole board games with cut up cereal boxes so this might blow your mind but any cab I built myself would look like rear end, which a lot of people actually DO care about for what amounts to furniture

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"


also uh that thing doesn’t include a screen so no, there is no way that that would even be the same price, even disregarding the cost of things like “the use of your free time building it”

the rat fandom
Apr 28, 2010
Madeline from Celeste is insufferable. Despite the entire game being about her finding the inner strength to overcome challenges, I just feel like I did everything for her because she is too precious and whiny to do anything herself.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

the rat fandom posted:

Madeline from Celeste is insufferable. Despite the entire game being about her finding the inner strength to overcome challenges, I just feel like I did everything for her because she is too precious and whiny to do anything herself.

The story of Celeste is very bad and for some reason requires me to push a button multiple times to get through its cutscenes instead of a single "skip all this garbage" press, or ideally something in the options.

Also the wind level is trash and the stage that ends in a "boss fight" against your evil half that boss fight had the only deaths in the run that were pure blind chance so it soured me a little.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


lol :wtc:

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I once got a huge folder of Genesis games that had a random hentai picture collection in it (all vanilla iirc), doesn't sound too surprising that a Newgrounds-tier porn game ended up in a low-effort collection.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

food court bailiff posted:

also uh that thing doesn’t include a screen so no, there is no way that that would even be the same price, even disregarding the cost of things like “the use of your free time building it”

using your free time to build it is the opposite of a cost!

also, screens of the size you need for an arcade cabinet are cheap as dirt right now in any junk store. flat screen or an "authentic" CRT it won't cost more than $15-$20 for the screen


:china:

dudeness
Mar 5, 2010

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Fallen Rib
There's a lot of MAME roms of porno games, it's usually like Qix clones. The MAME rom pack on internetarchive had a reasonable amount of them.

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


green zone is the only good level in the entire Sonic franchise

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Maya Fey posted:

green zone is the only good level in the entire Sonic franchise

Does Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine count?

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"


Rutibex posted:

using your free time to build it is the opposite of a cost!

again, foreign concept for you as I am deeply aware, but this is only true if you literally do not value your time at all, which most people actually do

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Why would you buy a new Toyota when you could just get a totalled Ferrari from the junkyard for the same price and rebuild it with no working knowledge of car repair?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

veni veni veni posted:

Why would you buy a new Toyota when you could just get a totalled Ferrari from the junkyard for the same price and rebuild it with no working knowledge of car repair?

i know at least three separate people that are doing this :v:

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Surely you must understand why most people don't though.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Rutibex posted:

using your free time to build it is the opposite of a cost!

lol way to admit that your time is worth literally nothing

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

Rutibex posted:

i know at least three separate people that are doing this :v:

What a brutal self own

piratepilates
Mar 28, 2004

So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.



tokyo expressway in gran turismo (sport is the one I'm playing right now) is a beautiful track but also one of the worst to play. it has guardrails on the sides instead of sand run-off, so you can just ride the rails instead of having to brake for corners. it's too narrow, the corners aren't very fun, and the game (in sport through missions and the gt league) keeps throwing it at me like I'm going to enjoy it. it's particularly bad when you have to do it with a very fast car (i.e. gr. 3, so porsche 911 racing cars and faster) -- it's at least more tolerable with slower road cars that have a harder time going fast through the corners.

I hate it and I don't want to play it anymore. give me spa francorchamps or interlagos any day over it.

Nova69
Jul 12, 2012

It's quite a simple concept to grasp that with a lot of purchases, part of the value of the purchase goes towards the labour involved in its creation. DIY alternatives allow you to bypass this cost, but all you're doing is spending your time (however much you value that) instead of spending money to pay for work that someone else has done to construct the product, most of the time at a higher quality than the DIY solution...

Of course capitalism fucks with the "value" of the product/purchase in loads of additional ways besides the basic labour cost...

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

QuarkJets posted:

lol way to admit that your time is worth literally nothing

building an arcade cabinet is more fun than owning an arcade cabinet. and owning one you made yourself is 20x more fun than owning one you bought from wal-mart.

if i had a billion dollars i still wouldn't buy the 1-up cabinet. Its not a matter of cost. i would spend longer to learn carpentry and hand carve my own cabinet out of the finest rare woods.

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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

If I had a million bollars I'd buy you a Shut-up cabinet.

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