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Captain von Trapp posted:That's a pretty good example though. It was an explicit campaign promise, followed through on in the face of strong pressure. Reasonable people disagree on whether the JCPOA was a good deal, of course. But Trump is surprisingly consistent. He bullshits like breathing, but he he rarely backs down from policy as expressed on the campaign trail. It really is reasonable to believe that he doesn't want war and can be negotiated out of it. His stated red line is now on Twitter. That's not an example of deescalation, that's destroying a deal without cause. Your point about campaign rhetoric is only relevant insofar as it shows that the US, as an entity, cannot make promises that one can rely on. Also, why would Iranian leaders think that Trump negotiates in good faith? He "bullshits", as opposed to what, some esoteric honesty invisible to fools and contractors?
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Yes, a lot of his promises fail, because they are pants on head crazy. I'll be the first to admit I'm pretty right of center and therefore more willing to be optimistic about him than most around here, but reality is what it is. Still, I'm trying to keep my posts on current-war-events topic. In this case, how much he intends to stick with "no Iran war" is a fair topic to analyze. We'll find out soon enough.
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The most interesting idea I've seen on this is that getting kicked out of Iraq would fulfill a campaign promise.
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Captain von Trapp posted:reality is what it is. Still, I'm trying to keep my posts on current-war-events topic. Lies like this are easy to detect because of the quote function. quote:It was an explicit campaign promise, followed through on in the face of strong pressure. Reasonable people disagree on whether the JCPOA was a good deal, of course. But Trump is surprisingly consistent. He bullshits like breathing, but he he rarely backs down from policy as expressed on the campaign trail. You are pretending, poorly, that you are only talking about the current crisis while defending political campaign talking points. Come on. Compared to other threads/forums, I stay away from political campaign talking points here. You can probably restrain yourself enough to do the same, but you have not done that thus far.
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I think it's kind of weird that bombing people is allowed under the laws of war but destroying a statue or whatever is not Kinda like how full metal jacket bullets are okay to kill people with but killing them with a hollow point is a no-no. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me
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Hauldren Collider posted:I think it's kind of weird that bombing people is allowed under the laws of war but destroying a statue or whatever is not Made perfect sense to these guys!!! 
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Godholio posted:The most interesting idea I've seen on this is that getting kicked out of Iraq would fulfill a campaign promise. Basically the geopolitical equivalent of a Rube Goldberg machine
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Hauldren Collider posted:Kinda like how full metal jacket bullets are okay to kill people with but killing them with a hollow point is a no-no. That’s not a real thing, but is oft related as truth.
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Deliberate targeting of monuments and historic sites is essentially trying to erase a culture from history - trying to kill an entire people instead of (or in addition to) killing an individual person. The prohibition on expanding ammunition is founded on the idea that most solders are going to react to a hit by screaming MEDIC!, and leaving for medical treatment. As such, there is no need for the additional lethality that expanding ammunition provides, and it falls squarely into "if everyone uses it, the outcome of whatever war you're fighting won't change, it will just make things nastier for everyone" category. It is also something of an anachronism - the drafters of the rule were reacting to black-powder lead projectiles that the British had modified for greater expansion. Lead bullets from black powder weapons already inflicted serious wounds (to the point where it is difficult to tell if experiments with explosive rifle ammunition during the American Civil War had any effect, as the wounds of even ordinary projectiles were horrific), so the expanding ones were just pointlessly cruel. There's a reasonable argument to make that the rule needs revising in the age of modern weapons.
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Gnoman posted:Deliberate targeting of monuments and historic sites is essentially trying to erase a culture from history - trying to kill an entire people instead of (or in addition to) killing an individual person. Hot take: mass murder is just as bad as genocide.
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Hauldren Collider posted:I think it's kind of weird that bombing people is allowed under the laws of war but destroying a statue or whatever is not Off course I'm thinking about conventional war here, not the clusterfuck of the past few decades.
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AlexanderCA posted:Off course I'm thinking about conventional war here, not the clusterfuck of the past few decades. I was ready to pile the VWCWG on you but you saved it at the end XD
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Captain von Trapp posted:Yes, a lot of his promises fail, because they are pants on head crazy. I'll be the first to admit I'm pretty right of center and therefore more willing to be optimistic about him than most around here, but reality is what it is. Still, I'm trying to keep my posts on current-war-events topic. In this case, how much he intends to stick with "no Iran war" is a fair topic to analyze. We'll find out soon enough. Weren't you arguing the Iran deal was bad several months ago? Has the fact that the US seems teetering on the edge of war with Iran convinced you that your past position was in error?
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OK, draw a line under this and move on. This thread veers over into foreign / military policy poo poo pretty often but we're now off of that kind of thing and into trump domestic policy bullshit. If you want to talk about that D&D is over there. If something dramatic happens (as in, really dramatic like poo poo blowing up, not tweets and controversy) then maybe we'll swing back around, but for now go back to arguing about whether the F4 is prettier in USN heritage paint schemes or Japanese anime waifu ones.
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Cyrano4747 posted:whether the F4 is prettier in USN heritage paint schemes or Japanese anime waifu ones.
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Cyrano4747 posted:...but for now go back to arguing about whether the F4 is prettier in USN heritage paint schemes or Japanese anime waifu ones. Both answers are wrong. 
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RAF Tiger meet!
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Cyrano4747 posted:but for now go back to arguing about whether the F4 is prettier in USN heritage paint schemes or Japanese anime waifu ones. How about an F4 with your anime waifu painted on it?  Or an anime waifu called F4 phantom?  Or even better, an F4 AND an anime waifu?  Why do we have to be restrictive here? Dante80 fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Jan 5, 2020 |
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Film of the first me262 flight in a while. I knew this was being worked on but didn’t know they’d flown it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8FA1yCfz9s4
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Dante80 posted:<snip> Cyrano I fear you may have inadvertently set the thread down a dark path...
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I'm legit bummed we never got the Show-Within-A-Show from Shirobako where a bunch of young women were piloting jet fighters in some grimdark war setting that reminds me of the Ace Combat games.
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priznat posted:RAF Tiger meet! Right colours, wrong plane!: https://www.flickr.com/photos/photographybyclarescott/9249749107
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Hexyflexy posted:Right colours, wrong plane!: Daymn that's sexxy. There are a heck of a lot of really cool tiger meet paint jobs.
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Hexyflexy posted:Right colours, wrong plane!: F-5/T-38 is the miata of warplanes
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Why is she called F-4 and moreover why is the other person saying she should be scrapped or whatever? What the gently caress is this I don't like it.
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Cyrano4747 posted:but for now go back to arguing about whether the F4 is prettier in USN heritage paint schemes or Japanese anime waifu ones. I misread that as F14 for a moment and suddenly wanted to see a Tomcat painted up in the blue JASDF scheme.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Film of the first me262 flight in a while. What was the flight time on one of those things? 30 minutes?
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A.o.D. posted:What was the flight time on one of those things? 30 minutes? A bit more than that, imagine an interceptor, it has to spool up on the ground, gently caress off really fast and then land again, so even at base the engines can't nuke themselves for a couple of hours. Wikipedia says the the Junkers Jumo 004 engine could run for 50 hours, but I don't really trust Wikipedia when it comes to that kind of figure. btw, I think you might be thinking of the rocket interceptor, that flew for like 7 minutes max flight time. I don't think we'll be seeing anyone doing a reenactment of one of those, bit too explosive.
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Hexyflexy posted:A bit more than that, imagine an interceptor, it has to spool up on the ground, gently caress off really fast and then land again, so even at base the engines can't nuke themselves for a couple of hours. Wikipedia says the the Junkers Jumo 004 engine could run for 50 hours, but I don't really trust Wikipedia when it comes to that kind of figure. That's the right number. You have to remember that's total flight time before overhaul. As in 50 hours in the air and then you need to break the engine down completely to service the whole thing, replace consumables, etc. Not just normal maintenance, an overhaul. That's . . . not good. Time before overhaul hours under 1000 is considered pretty bad these days. IIRC most civilian turbojets are in the 2k ballpark. I don't know the max flight time of the 262, but the max range was about 650 miles.
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When the Chinese got the plans for the SU-27 engine from Russia, their versions had a 30 hour run time as compared to 300 hours for the Russian one due to manufacturer issues. Having the plans and building the items are two different things.
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aphid_licker posted:Where's everyone itt going to discuss the Iran thing now that itt is out? GIP current events thread or somewhere in D&D / CSPAM? There's a mid east thread in D&D that's 100% about it right now - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3839774&pagenumber=435#lastpost If you want something a bit less structured the CSPAM Trump thread is also pretty much all Iran right now - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3908676&pagenumber=415#lastpost There's also a dedicated "watch trump start a loving war" thread in CSPAM - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3843826 If GiP is more your speed their current events thread is looking pretty hard at it right now too - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3908776&pagenumber=23#lastpost
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Cyrano4747 posted:There's a mid east thread in D&D that's 100% about it right now - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3839774&pagenumber=435#lastpost Thanks!
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Hexyflexy posted:I don't think we'll be seeing anyone doing a reenactment of one of those, bit too explosive. I believe somebody build one as a glider.
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Dante80 posted:How about an F4 with your anime waifu painted on it? Ban this filth tia
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Smiling Jack posted:When the Chinese got the plans for the SU-27 engine from Russia, their versions had a 30 hour run time as compared to 300 hours for the Russian one due to manufacturer issues. I don't get how China can do all the manufacturing for iPhones and Macbooks when they can't get their jet engines done right. Do they have the capability, just lacking the economic will? Or are they actually different processes (forging vs machining? metallurgy?)
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