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Jan 7, 2020 00:19
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sum posted:US has the most comical air force ever assembled. There's just no comparison. 
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Jan 7, 2020 00:20
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my unit is extremely powerful because I have joined it to my hero, who can and is now casting a pillar of flame
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Jan 7, 2020 00:21
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sum posted:We got our poo poo so kicked in during the initial UN intervention that the US occupied nearly all of Korea in a matter of months and essentially destroyed the KPA as an organized fighting force that would be phase 2: the brief interlude between america getting its rear end kicked
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Jan 7, 2020 00:23
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sum posted:Before the first Gulf War, a lot of people made a big deal about the Republican Guard, a highly motivated, highly veteran contingent of the Iraqi army with modernized arms and AFVs. And they got their loving poo poo stomped, along with the rest of the army which lost thousands of tanks and armored vehicles over the course of like 3 days. As for Iran's new air defenses, they have 4 batteries of the S-300 (a 40 year old SAM) whereas the US has the most comically dominant air force ever assembled. There's just no comparison. Funny how you mention this, the Bill Hicks bit was pretty funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eqP1FL-fwg Also you really should have listened to the War Nerd rundown, because loving lol. dude they're just going to zergrush our aircraft carriers with civilian looking suicide boats and missile spam. it's not going to go well
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Jan 7, 2020 00:23
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Jan 7, 2020 00:24
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sum posted:Before the first Gulf War, a lot of people made a big deal about the Republican Guard, a highly motivated, highly veteran contingent of the Iraqi army with modernized arms and AFVs. And they got their loving poo poo stomped, along with the rest of the army which lost thousands of tanks and armored vehicles over the course of like 3 days. As for Iran's new air defenses, they have 4 batteries of the S-300 (a 40 year old SAM) whereas the US has the most comically dominant air force ever assembled. There's just no comparison. It is pretty sad to see what nationalism does to people. The first Iraq war was based around us attacking a poorly motivated, retreating enemy. It was a slaughter, a invasion of majority Shia urban areas is a totally separate matter, think 50 different Fallujahs happening at the same time. Also, the S-300 PMU 2 isn’t 40 years old and Iran is producing its own variant, which is in service. Also, there is a reason the US has done its best to try to avoid it. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 00:52 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Jan 7, 2020 00:28
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the s-300s aren't even why iraq is going to be a literal hell on earth, it just means our opening air campaign is going to be more complex and we'll lose more big fancy planes that cost orders of magnitudes more than s-300 batteries. the real hell is our entire military being dependent on helicopters, travelling through a country made of mountains, swarming with MANPADs
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Jan 7, 2020 00:32
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the iranian army and the iraqi “elite” republican guard are not remotely comparable. i guess in some technical boardgame way, the US could win an initial war, with massive casualties. the iranian army is far more motivated, iran is far bigger in population and size, iran has far more rough terrain.
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Jan 7, 2020 00:32
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All of this is ignoring the fact that if Iran goes down they are definitely taking the Saudis and possibly Israel down with them
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Jan 7, 2020 00:34
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I mean yeah the US could definitely beat the Iranian military conventionally, with a sufficient force commitment, but the losses in men and equipment would be extreme compared to any conflict the US has been involved in since at least Vietnam, and not only would that have enormous political consequences but it would also seriously hamstring the USA's global power projection also the survivors would just immediately start a guerrilla campaign
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Jan 7, 2020 00:36
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we'd kill plenty of iranians but the cost is going be tens of thousands of dead americans, 1 to 2 trillion dollars worth of bloated military equipment destroyed, and the destruction of the world economy
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Jan 7, 2020 00:36
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it isn't even about comparing one side's gadgets to another's, it's about the ability to project force, which the US can't really do anymore beyond floating some carriers in the gulf and launching airstrikes while Iran is...well right there. The USA can launch missiles and airstrikes, everyone here posting accepts that they can do that, and that might be enough for the US. But anything beyond that point is going to seriously test the ability of the American Armed Forces to deploy in hostile territory, because they don't have the luxury of using someone's nearby airbase to ferry in supplies. Like everyone else is saying, all the money the USA spends on the military means they could do it, technically, but no politician is going to want to get thousands of American soldiers killed.
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Jan 7, 2020 00:36
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it should also be mentioned the Iraq war the US was motivated. motivation based on a lie but it was there. Americans are not pumped to die for a war we started
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Jan 7, 2020 00:38
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The USA can't do poo poo to Iran. The Russo-Japanese War is an apt comparison. Americans will absolutely not tolerate the scale of losses that capturing Tehran would require. After that, welcome to a literally endless pit of occupation deaths and expenses.
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Jan 7, 2020 00:39
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:The USA can't do poo poo to Iran. The Russo-Japanese War is an apt comparison. Americans will absolutely not tolerate the scale of losses that capturing Tehran would require. Combined that with the massive humanitarian crisis that will be happening once the Arabian peninsula doesn't have any water as well as the absolutely massive interruption in global oil production and shipping.
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Jan 7, 2020 00:41
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Theorycrafting about Iran is pointless anyway when we're already stuck in Iraq. Re-re-invading Iraq isn't gonna be like the last time around because the army and their allied militias are motivated to defend the country. Even the army which was completely routed by ISIS only did so because they didn't want to die defending Sunnis, but if all the fighting is gonna happen in the south then they're gonna defend their homes. This is not a 2003 scenario when Iraq was ruled by an unpopular Sunni dictator, which encouraged Shias to "wait and see" how things would shake out with the US. We're the Great Satan now.
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Jan 7, 2020 00:42
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AnEdgelord posted:Combined that with the massive humanitarian crisis that will be happening once the Arabian peninsula doesn't have any water as well as the absolutely massive interruption in global oil production and shipping. this is why it won't happen the way people seem convinced it will itt. you ain't gonna get your stalingrad. it'll be a dirty series of fractal proxy wars, cyber and media attacks and guerrilla terrorism, or the US will pull a straight pussy move and nuke tehran
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Jan 7, 2020 00:43
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sum posted:As for Iran's new air defenses, they have 4 batteries of the S-300 (a 40 year old SAM) whereas the US has the most comically dominant air force ever assembled. so you mean they work properly
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Jan 7, 2020 00:44
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gh0stpinballa posted:this is why it won't happen the way people seem convinced it will. it'll be a dirty series of fractal proxy wars or the US will pull a straight pussy move and nuke tehran I mean the US hanging allies out to dry is what they do. the crisis wouldn’t effect Israel nearly as much and that is the only ally they will not abandon
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Jan 7, 2020 00:44
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gh0stpinballa posted:this is why it won't happen the way people seem convinced it will. it'll be a dirty series of fractal proxy wars or the US will pull a straight pussy move and nuke tehran The real danger here is breaking the Nuclear taboo against a country that is openly allying with both Russia and China which is also next to two other Nuclear powers (Pakistan and India)
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Jan 7, 2020 00:45
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Mister Bates posted:I mean yeah the US could definitely beat the Iranian military conventionally, with a sufficient force commitment, but the losses in men and equipment would be extreme compared to any conflict the US has been involved in since at least Vietnam, and not only would that have enormous political consequences but it would also seriously hamstring the USA's global power projection shhhh none of the jingoists want to pin down what acceptable losses would be aka billions in shot down aircraft and bodies never making it home for funeral
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Jan 7, 2020 00:46
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We've already broadcast the pussy move, which is impotently targeting cultural heritage sites and turning the US into an international pariah state.
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Jan 7, 2020 00:46
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if all these diplomatic fuckups keep happening trump might make a big contribution to dismantling the american empire
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Jan 7, 2020 00:47
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Dreylad posted:if all these diplomatic fuckups keep happening trump might make a big contribution to dismantling the american empire it's awesome. they've cemented into reality to the rest of the world that: -never make a deal with america on anything as they will always betray you -get a nuke as soon as possible and never disarm -the rest of the world loving hates america now and is more than happy to help you fight them off badass
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Jan 7, 2020 00:50
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:We've already broadcast the pussy move, which is impotently targeting cultural heritage sites and turning the US into an international pariah state. i simply don't think this or using nukes would turn the US into a pariah state. imo it's easier for them to take care of KSA and israel with aid and etc then lob a few MOABs and/or nukes at iran and soak up the bad PR. america never pays for anything in this world. they'll tell anyone who has a problem that it's too late to do anything so suck it up and be pragmatic.
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Jan 7, 2020 00:52
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if only supporting american defeat in iran was revolutionary defeatism. still gonna cheer for iran i guess
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Jan 7, 2020 00:53
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:We've already broadcast the pussy move, which is impotently targeting cultural heritage sites and turning the US into an international pariah state. This heel turn has taken forever to finish tbh
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Jan 7, 2020 00:53
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carefully updating google earth with all the confederate statues as important cultural sites in the US
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Jan 7, 2020 00:54
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:We've already broadcast the pussy move, which is impotently targeting cultural heritage sites and turning the US into an international pariah state.
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Jan 7, 2020 00:54
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Ash1138 posted:it all but guarantees a unified iran if it does come to war. it was a massive gift to the regime and that dumb orange binch just tweeted it out 
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Jan 7, 2020 00:58
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https://twitter.com/JackDetsch_ALM/status/1214304850483306496?s=20 The Iraqis aren't doing democracy right https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/1214331090883596288?s=20 Lol even the Washington Post reporter is losing hope in US military competance
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Jan 7, 2020 00:59
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:The USA can't do poo poo to Iran. The Russo-Japanese War is an apt comparison. Americans will absolutely not tolerate the scale of losses that capturing Tehran would require. yes but sir have u considered that USA number is biggest?,
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Jan 7, 2020 00:59
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gh0stpinballa posted:i simply don't think this or using nukes would turn the US into a pariah state. imo it's easier for them to take care of KSA and israel with aid and etc then lob a few MOABs and/or nukes at iran and soak up the bad PR. america never pays for anything in this world. they'll tell anyone who has a problem that it's too late to do anything so suck it up and be pragmatic. can't really lob a MOAB anyways. it has to be dropped out of a cargo plane
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Jan 7, 2020 01:03
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I mean, what is the big brain scenario where the US rolls over Iran? Not only are there a shitton of mountains, but the supply lines run through Afghanistan or Iraq. And the Iranian anti air systems haven't been continuenly degraded since the 90s. Maybe the S-300 is a damp squib, but we have no real way of knowing. Maybe this generation of Iranian infantry will prove less capable than their forebearers in the Iraq war and their allies in Lebanon. But why would you assume that? Bringing up the "elite Republican Guards" in Iraq is neither here nor there. The Iraqi military was never formidable.
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Jan 7, 2020 01:03
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Spergin Morlock posted:can't really lob a MOAB anyways. it has to be dropped out of a cargo plane trump will get us nuked trying to deliver moabs by icbm without warning russia
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Jan 7, 2020 01:04
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genericnick posted:I mean, what is the big brain scenario where the US rolls over Iran? Not only are there a shitton of mountains, but the supply lines run through Afghanistan or Iraq. And the Iranian anti air systems haven't been continuenly degraded since the 90s. Maybe the S-300 is a damp squib, but we have no real way of knowing. Maybe this generation of Iranian infantry will prove less capable than their forebearers in the Iraq war and their allies in Lebanon. But why would you assume that? Bringing up the "elite Republican Guards" in Iraq is neither here nor there. The Iraqi military was never formidable. i think a fair argument could be made that iran has the most challenging terrain for boots and treads on the planet
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Jan 7, 2020 01:06
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/JackDetsch_ALM/status/1214304850483306496?s=20 Esper is strictly speaking accurate here, he just leaves out that the gun is being held by the United States
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Jan 7, 2020 01:06
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Real hurthling! posted:trump will get us nuked trying to deliver moabs by icbm without warning russia it weighs 10 tons by itself, its not possibly for delivery by anything other than cargo plane
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Jan 7, 2020 01:08
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https://twitter.com/JimLaPorta/status/1214304224370143233?s=20 the face of a crumbling empire
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Jan 7, 2020 01:10
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