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Anyone have any good book suggestions about the political history of modern/postwar France? I’m really curious about the era, but I haven’t been able to find much by googling. I’m learning French right now, but I’m definitely not fluent enough yet to get through a whole book, so ones with English translations would be preferred.
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Nov 15, 2019 03:17
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I'd suggest this one in French: https://www.belin-editeur.com/la-france-du-temps-present-1945-2005 Georgette Elgey, who died last month, also wrote very in-depth books about the Fourth Republic, for the immediate postwar. For English language titles, I have no idea. It seems the English-language books on French history are mostly written by Anglo-Saxons more interested in explaining that the savage and backwards French are unable to embrace the modern civilization created by the noble and enlightened Englishmen, so... I was going to suggest looking at history books for children because they'll have a simpler language which helps when you're not fully fluent, but they mostly focus on the Middle Age and generally stop at the Revolution, so, they don't have what you're looking for.
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Nov 15, 2019 15:20
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Cat Mattress posted:For English language titles, I have no idea. It seems the English-language books on French history are mostly written by Anglo-Saxons more interested in explaining that the savage and backwards French are unable to embrace the modern civilization created by the noble and enlightened Englishmen, so... You're not kidding. I've always known there was a historical animosity between the two countries, but the things legit British academics write about France would make you assume you're natural enemies as opposed to technical allies. It's crazy that that sort of thought process is still kicking about.
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Nov 15, 2019 17:23
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100YrsofAttitude posted:the things legit British academics write about France would make you assume you're natural enemies as opposed to technical allies. Well we are. We're still playing the long game on that Joan poo poo, but... F'r'instance, how do you think the Chunnel, one of Napoleon's wetdreams, came into brick-and-mortar being ? 4D chess, my dude.
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Nov 15, 2019 21:09
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In Balkany news, the right-wing city council members of Levallois yesterday organized a town hall around Balkany on speaker phone from his cell. He announced his intention to run for mayor again. #Chutzpah.
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Dec 3, 2019 17:05
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100YrsofAttitude posted:You're not kidding. I've always known there was a historical animosity between the two countries, but the things legit British academics write about France would make you assume you're natural enemies as opposed to technical allies. Considering the current PM and state of British politics, I’m amazed that article didn’t go full Victorian era and suggest that France and Europe would do better under the yoke of the British. Old habits die hard for the perfidious dogs of Albion, apparently.
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Dec 3, 2019 18:17
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So uhh Dutch news is saying there's strikes at the railroads, metro, aviation, postal services, education, healthcare and even some actions at the police. How is this not a general strike?
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Dec 4, 2019 23:48
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Orange Devil posted:So uhh Dutch news is saying there's strikes at the railroads, metro, aviation, postal services, education, healthcare and even some actions at the police. How is this not a general strike? It pretty much is. "Don't gently caress with pensions both ways" is I believe the message.
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Dec 5, 2019 00:31
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Orange Devil posted:So uhh Dutch news is saying there's strikes at the railroads, metro, aviation, postal services, education, healthcare and even some actions at the police. How is this not a general strike? *may be corporate slavery
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Dec 5, 2019 06:33
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What have the responses and effects of the strikes so far been?
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Dec 8, 2019 23:48
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mila kunis posted:What have the responses and effects of the strikes so far been? From the government? gently caress all at this point but these past few days were basically a warm-up session for the coming week. AFAIK unions are in it for the long haul and teachers are supposed to join the strike on tuesday. Almost all refineries are closed too so this could get fun.
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Dec 9, 2019 00:22
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Shut it all down, kick out the bums and institute socialism imo, we're on a tight deadline but 2019 can still be the new 1848.
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Dec 10, 2019 13:53
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Orange Devil posted:So uhh Dutch news is saying there's strikes at the railroads, metro, aviation, postal services, education, healthcare and even some actions at the police. How is this not a general strike? Only public sector is on strike right now. Private sector isn't. Nobody at my current company even speak on going on strike. Some support the public sector, some don't but the reality is this : private employees can't/don't give a gently caress anymore. That's why we've seen a new traffic jams record, around 500km around Paris. I've never been so happy to live in the South West
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Dec 10, 2019 13:55
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Picardy Beet posted:Only public sector is on strike right now. Private sector isn't. Nobody at my current company even speak on going on strike. Some support the public sector, some don't but the reality is this : private employees can't/don't give a gently caress anymore. That's why we've seen a new traffic jams record, around 500km around Paris. I've never been so happy to live in the South West As a friend reminded me, the public sector already got hosed on their pensions a while back (under Sarkozy I think ?) so they don't really have a dog in the fight. That said, he hasn't got any spite for the movement, he thinks the public sector is right to fight for their beefsteak and that Macron's government is doing them wrong, teachers especially. Orange Devil posted:Shut it all down, kick out the bums and institute socialism imo, we're on a tight deadline but 2019 can still be the new 1848. But who will play the part of Napoleon III ? I mean we still have one of the tiny Corsicans laying around somewhere (who looks like his ancestor something striking) but he's not in politics.
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Dec 10, 2019 15:01
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Kobal2 posted:But who will play the part of Napoleon III ?
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Dec 10, 2019 19:28
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I know ? I meant who will play the part Napoleon III played after the 1848 revolution. Who, indeed, will reassure the good people that the soshulist nightmare will soon end if only they be given Emperorship with Xtreme Powers to face the crisis. Forever.
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Dec 11, 2019 00:36
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Kobal2 posted:I know ? I meant who will play the part Napoleon III played after the 1848 revolution. Who, indeed, will reassure the good people that the soshulist nightmare will soon end if only they be given Emperorship with Xtreme Powers to face the crisis. Forever. Isn't there a Napoleon VII kicking around somewhere?
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Dec 11, 2019 01:26
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So my partner who works in a Parisian suburb in a mairie, was invited by a co-worker (her immediate boss!), to her birthday party. They get on so why not. We'll go. Turns out it's a costume party. Turns out it's a racist costume party. I kid you not, it's written to come in your most cliché costumes from other cultures, *visage-coloré bien acceptable or some poo poo like that, I can't quote it directly. I know France's take on racism is quite different from what I grew up with in New England, USA, but I thought blackface and it's like was frowned upon. So I'm definitely not going, but my partner isn't sure how she can get out of this delicately, because she's not comfortable lying about "dead" relatives, and she can't just not go because it'd impact her work life. If I were to go I don't think I could keep my sang-froid were anyone to dare come in such a costume, which since it's being explicitly advertised I imagine the host wants to do it herself and again my partner can't get really righteous about due to it having such proximity with her work. I am shocked.
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Jan 6, 2020 19:51
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That sucks. Seems like making up an excuse is the best way to go if she's not in a position to confront them.100YrsofAttitude posted:I know France's take on racism is quite different from what I grew up with in New England, USA, but I thought blackface and it's like was frowned upon. Not as many people consider it offensive but I think mentalities are evolving on the issue. There was an online backlash a couple of days ago when employees from clothing company Le Slip Français got caught with videos of them in blackface (and doing monkey cries to go along with it, because of course). I expect that if these kinds of things get more visibility the usual clowns will grumble about how it's a sign of American campus political correctness corrupting our enlightened universalism or whatever. "Funny" personal anecdote: back in kindergarten they had us take part in a carnival with a Guadeloupe theme, and part of the costume included shoe polish on the face. Only they hosed up the color so you had hundreds of white kids parading in makeshift costumes, each one with a very vivid red-brown face. The idea of not using the polish apparently did not occur to any of the teachers. So yeah, I technically did blackface once. Feel free to cancel me. YaketySass fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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Jan 6, 2020 21:20
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YaketySass posted:That sucks. Seems like making up an excuse is the best way to go if she's not in a position to confront them. It's what we're looking into but she's a poor liar. I've suggested taking a mild purgative so that she'll actually be out of commission if she just can't fake it. Either that or asking one of my students who is sick to spit in a jar for me and bring back home those microbes.
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Jan 6, 2020 21:59
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Trust my experience as a civil servant in France: she can just not show up and then if asked about it say « oh, j’ai eu un empêchement ». Maybe she can half-shrug as a form of apology. It’ll be fine. Of course she could also confront them, but this sounds like a situation where sentences like « non mais c’est pour rigoleeeeer » would be used a lot, so...
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Jan 6, 2020 23:39
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Trust my experience as a civil servant in France: she can just not show up and then if asked about it say « oh, j’ai eu un empêchement ». Maybe she can half-shrug as a form of apology. It’ll be fine. My go-to excuse is "bad sushi coming out both ends". Always relatable since cheap takeaway sushi is pretty much the staple lunch in places I worked in, and it's uniformly terrible. Not health risk bad, but it feels like you're always surfing on that razor blade, yanno ? Anyway I would like to thank the Norway-Japan Salmon Concordat for dispensing me from having a social life, I will not be taking questions at this time.
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Jan 7, 2020 01:55
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100YrsofAttitude posted:I know France's take on racism is quite different from what I grew up with in New England, USA, but I thought blackface and it's like was frowned upon. Personally I have never encountered blackface. The closest thing I ever had was blueface, one year where school had us dress as smurfs. (And to make things worse, I got brainy smurf.) Makes me feel that it's something that's been imported from the US after people started making a fuss about it, because when you tell dumbasses about the dumbass ideas of other dumbasses, they want to imitate. It probably preexisted (in Belgium they've got Zwarte Piet after all) but my personal experience is that the first time I heard about it, it was on the Internet, in English-language articles about stuff happening in the USA. 100YrsofAttitude posted:So I'm definitely not going, but my partner isn't sure how she can get out of this delicately, because she's not comfortable lying about "dead" relatives, and she can't just not go because it'd impact her work life. Her work life is going to be impacted regardless, because now she knows she's working with trouducs. And so even if she excuses herself from the event, that awareness will remain.
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Jan 7, 2020 15:47
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Cat Mattress posted:Her work life is going to be impacted regardless, because now she knows she's working with trouducs. And so even if she excuses herself from the event, that awareness will remain. This is what's bothering her the most at the moment. She actually got along with her boss up to this point, hence why were invited to her birthday party. It's not a necessarily work affair, but a thing with friends of hers (we've already eaten dinner at her place once, and went to another dinner with her and some other of her friends, where none of this poo poo came up). So she's just ashamed and annoyed that this person who she liked and admired, particularly at work, is some idiot poo poo-bird. I don't know how much of is genuine hate-filled racism, I want to hope that it's more likely they just want to be edgy and "funny", but it's still incredibly wrong. And they know I'm American? Sure I'm not black, but this is something pretty much everyone in the States is familiar with one way or an other. How loving tone-deaf can you get? Anyway, her work days are going to be more uncomfortable, than before. And she liked this job. It's how I've learned, to just not really talk in too much detail with my co-workers in Catholic schools, because they're what you'd expect to be. I've stopped being as naive at least.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:31
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Macron's talk of the impending epidemic seems a bit scare-mongery. Paris doesn't seem any quieter than normal, and you still see tourists and people out at least in the 13ème, which isn't even particularly touristy, it being the arrondisement I spend most of my time in. There was a student of mine that went on a self-imposed quarantine after she came back from Italy after the winter break, but none of the students or staff seemed particularly concerned. Things seem fine? Some teachers got a bit ruffled when it turns out the first French victim to Covid-19 was a teacher, but that seems pretty typical for my colleagues.
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Feb 28, 2020 15:46
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Yeah, you get stories of people panic-buying food and going full prepper in the press but it's all business as usual in my corner of the Paris region too. The RER doesn't even seem less full, sadly.
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Feb 28, 2020 16:15
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So what's the situation with the protests now that the government's used 49.3? Has the coronavirus put a damper on things?
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Mar 8, 2020 19:19
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Karenina posted:So what's the situation with the protests now that the government's used 49.3? Has the coronavirus put a damper on things?
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Mar 8, 2020 19:30
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Your wife probably missed the email about the incoming Avatar themed party, but I'm still curious to know how it goes.
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Mar 9, 2020 11:29
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lost in postation posted:Yeah, you get stories of people panic-buying food and going full prepper in the press I think being in Paris somewhat dampens the hoarder effect because lots of people need to haul their stash by foot to their shoebox appt, as opposed to filling the trunk with TP and storing the stuff in the garage.
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Mar 9, 2020 11:42
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Toplowtech posted:They cynically used the 49.3 knowing the coronavirus crisis would prevent massive protests. There were some protests against the reform during the manifestations for International Women's day, but nothing that big. Also it seems that even your run-of-the-mill feminist demonstrations aren't immune to the riot police these days, these psychos went charging and beat them up for "stepping out of the approved route" or some bullshit. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MarcheF%C3%A9ministe%20%23violencespolicieres&src=typed_query&f=video Then again I suppose cops take the idea that domestic violence is bad pretty personally.
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Mar 9, 2020 11:49
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"on reste au stade 2" lol
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Mar 9, 2020 15:45
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What's the source on that?
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Mar 9, 2020 17:00
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Kassad posted:What's the source on that? https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/...france-et-monde
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Mar 9, 2020 17:24
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I thought Jupes said it was an emergency or something.unpacked robinhood posted:Your wife probably missed the email about the incoming Avatar themed party, but I'm still curious to know how it goes. She didn't go in the end, thankfully, but she saw pictures and there was nothing so immediately offensive thankfully.
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Mar 9, 2020 18:22
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Riester got a case of the Chinese plague flu. I wonder who he managed to infect.
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Mar 9, 2020 22:06
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unpacked robinhood posted:Riester got a case of the Chinese plague flu. I wonder who he managed to infect.
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Mar 10, 2020 19:17
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https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1237814127562756097 https://twitter.com/franceinfo/status/1237849681784270849
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Mar 11, 2020 22:23
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Why is there a Spanish flag?
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It was commemorating the 2004 terrorist attacks in Spain (deadliest one in Europe since 1988) and the king of Spain was also there. Edit:  https://twitter.com/gerard_larcher/status/1238003332838567937 Kassad fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 12, 2020 |
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