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Casimir Radon posted:So I was looking at my OSSC, Scart cables, and SD2SNES thinking about  Wow there are still people who haven't played CT Post about your experience more so we can live vicariously through you
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, and how I haven't touched it lately. Then figured I'd give Chrono Trigger a try since I'd heard good things. I haven't played something this addictive for a while. Every time you look at the clock you realize another hour or two has gone by, and then suddenly it's very late.
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I never played a Zelda after Ocarina so I'm looking forward to those.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:58
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I never played FF6 or Chrono Trigger until last year. CT holds up. Delightful, absolutely lives up to the hype. FF6.. I would have enjoyed as a kid (if it didn't cost the same as four other games)
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Jan 7, 2020 18:35
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I've never played CT.. I'm not a huge fan of RPGs, but my friends keep hounding at me to play it. Maybe I'll get to it at some point, but it's so hyped up now for me I'll probably end up hating it.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:07
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CT is definitely a game that feels very easy to just lose hours and hours because of its pacing and (relatively) low difficulty. It's the first game I have a distinct memory of where I straight up binged it all day for like 17 hours which subsequently got me in trouble because I was supposed to be working on some 4th grade social studies project that weekend.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:14
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psychopomp posted:I never played a Zelda after Ocarina so I'm looking forward to those. I've played Wind Waker and Minish Cap (both were excellent but could've used more dungeons, imo) but nothing past those, myself. I did try Majora's Mask but bounced pretty hard off of it. Didn't that get remade recently?
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Jan 7, 2020 19:16
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I played Chrono Trigger for the first time last Summer and burned myself out on what I didn't realize was some DS-exclusive bonus content. It's a bummer because I feel like it unfairly tarnished my impression of the game :-/ I'm so sick of that drat prehistoric mountain now.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:21
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Nate RFB posted:CT is definitely a game that feels very easy to just lose hours and hours because of its pacing and (relatively) low difficulty. It's the first game I have a distinct memory of where I straight up binged it all day for like 17 hours which subsequently got me in trouble because I was supposed to be working on some 4th grade social studies project that weekend. I remember getting into a big fight with my mom in 7th grade when I didn't want to go to soccer practice because I was playing Shining Force II and had just evolved the little turtle looking guy into his monster form for the first time ever (it was a serial rental for me and I had been able to continue a game save from a previous rental). I still think about that lil guy. I don't think about anyone even tangential to that soccer team anymore. Not even mom.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:26
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Yeah, I did everything there was to do in the DS remake of Chrono Trigger and the mountain is a mess. The new weapons and bosses are good fun, though. Even liked the shallow-rear end monster arena.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:26
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Zaphod42 posted:
The trial was a really nice touch. It's not super deep or anything but mechanics like that were probably pretty rare back in 1995. I'm in Zeal now and that opening up feels like the game just expanded a bunch in the blink of an eye.
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Jan 7, 2020 20:07
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CT's art style holds up so well. It's gorgeous. FF6 too, but man CT is pretty.
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Jan 7, 2020 21:23
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Ofecks posted:I've played Wind Waker and Minish Cap (both were excellent but could've used more dungeons, imo) but nothing past those, myself. I did try Majora's Mask but bounced pretty hard off of it. Didn't that get remade recently? Yes, remake came out on the 3DS a couple years ago. Best way to play it.
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Jan 7, 2020 22:07
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OK as a "hardcore" gamer, retro and otherwise, I'm ashamed to admit I've never played CT either! But with my trusty new BUT what dear Goons, is the best version to play? I've heard rumors about using a DS text version on the SNES or some such hack?
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Jan 7, 2020 22:08
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Casimir Radon posted:I hosed up my first go around because I didn't read the manual or know about the mayor's house yet. So I took more hits than I should have from Gato, didn't realize how low my health was, didn't buy a better sword, and didn't know how saving worked yet. As a result I got killed by Imps before I got out of Truce Canyon. So that was half an hour gone right there. ... not to be too mean but it should be trivial to kill imps even if you completely skip gato and do the bare minimum in guardia... But glad you got it
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Jan 7, 2020 22:13
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XtraSmiley posted:OK as a "hardcore" gamer, retro and otherwise, I'm ashamed to admit I've never played CT either! Best imo: play SNES and watch the cutscenes on youtube But PS1 or DS are fine. Just don't play the mobile/pc port. And be aware of the DS bonus content just mentioned, that you should probably avoid in your first play.
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Jan 7, 2020 22:15
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Code Jockey posted:CT's art style holds up so well. It's gorgeous. Akira Toriyama knows how to draw really well
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Jan 7, 2020 22:16
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Didn't the PC version get a ton of updates to improve on it? Or is it still not good enough? If its not, I'd say SNES or DS are the versions to play, but avoid the DS bonus content like the plague. PS1 is ok, but the load times are kind of irritating.
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Jan 7, 2020 22:22
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Zaphod42 posted:... not to be too mean but it should be trivial to kill imps even if you completely skip gato and do the bare minimum in guardia... See: Forgetting Deus Ex doesn't autosave* and losing an hour of gameplay to something stupid. *Unmodded
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ChaosArgate posted:Didn't the PC version get a ton of updates to improve on it? Or is it still not good enough? The PC version is the usual port of the mobile version Square are obsessed with doing, complete with horrible smoothed graphics.
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Jan 7, 2020 22:30
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njsykora posted:The PC version is the usual port of the mobile version Square are obsessed with doing, complete with horrible smoothed graphics. They patched that out (or rather, patched in the option to use the original sprites), it got like 6 different patches to fix it's issues, so it's supposedly pretty okay now. I loaded it up to see just the beginning for a few minutes and it seemed at least okay, though I have no idea how the whole game stands up.
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Jan 7, 2020 22:33
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ChaosArgate posted:If its not, I'd say SNES or DS are the versions to play, but avoid the DS bonus content like the plague. PS1 is ok, but the load times are kind of irritating. 
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Jan 7, 2020 22:57
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Phantasium posted:They patched that out (or rather, patched in the option to use the original sprites), it got like 6 different patches to fix it's issues, so it's supposedly pretty okay now. The UI is still meh isn't it? IDK I just love the SNES.
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Jan 7, 2020 23:06
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Man whenever people gush about CT it just reminds me how broke brained I apparently am. I tried it and it failed to suck me in. The intro did absolutely nothing for me and I rolled my eyes at the time travel shtick. Didn't even like the battle system and I had the DS version with two options for it. There have been many other game intros that immediately sucked me in (the first DQM game comes to mind) but I still don't understand why I bounced so hard off of CT.
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Jan 7, 2020 23:28
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Turbinosamente posted:Man whenever people gush about CT it just reminds me how broke brained I apparently am. I tried it and it failed to suck me in. The intro did absolutely nothing for me and I rolled my eyes at the time travel shtick. Didn't even like the battle system and I had the DS version with two options for it. There have been many other game intros that immediately sucked me in (the first DQM game comes to mind) but I still don't understand why I bounced so hard off of CT. Nah you're not broke brained. It isn't universally loved (lots of people in the JRPG thread in regular Games are vocally not fond of it), and it hasn't aged any better than other RPGs of the era, except maybe visually, if the visual style is your cup of tea. I say all this as a huge CT fanboy, I love the game and play it every couple of years and get sucked in, but it's like any other big Square RPG from that era, and a couple generations after, it has its flaws that people are generally more willing to overlook than they would normally be because the story/music/visuals/whatever grabbed them hard. I love the game a lot but I get why it's not for everyone.
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Zaphod42 posted:IDK I just love the SNES.  friendTurbinosamente posted:Man whenever people gush about CT it just reminds me how broke brained I apparently am. I tried it and it failed to suck me in. The intro did absolutely nothing for me and I rolled my eyes at the time travel shtick. Didn't even like the battle system and I had the DS version with two options for it. There have been many other game intros that immediately sucked me in (the first DQM game comes to mind) but I still don't understand why I bounced so hard off of CT. Let me tell you about the 50 separate times I’ve started Earthbound and quit after an hour
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Let me tell you about the 50 separate times I’ve started Earthbound and quit after an hour Oh my god, I feel seen.
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Zaphod42 posted:The UI is still meh isn't it? They went from this:  to this: 
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Turbinosamente posted:Man whenever people gush about CT it just reminds me how broke brained I apparently am. I tried it and it failed to suck me in. The intro did absolutely nothing for me and I rolled my eyes at the time travel shtick. Didn't even like the battle system and I had the DS version with two options for it. There have been many other game intros that immediately sucked me in (the first DQM game comes to mind) but I still don't understand why I bounced so hard off of CT. It's okay to not like things other people like.
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I like CT well enough but only playing it after it had become retro (Maybe in the mid 2000s via emulation and recently on my SD2SNES) it didn't blow me away like I expected it to. I didn't dislike it by any means but I guess it didn't live up to the hype for me personally. I do think the script is pretty meh though. It's not exactly bad but doesn't feel quite as sharp or punchy as some other contemporary games.
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Chrono Trigger is basically a pitch perfect 20 hour RPG theme park ride, but you can see where Square trimmed the game way back from what they were already doing in other RPGs of the time to get it at that place. There's a lot of illusion of depth at play, such as trading random encounters for scripted ones to suggest you can opt out, or the fact that there's virtually no combat strategy beyond attack/heal, or any character building you can do -- but the triple and double techs give the impression there is. It's ambitious in structural ways like its clockwork universe working across time periods and the multiple endings, but under the hood it really pales against what Square was doing even in Final Fantasy V or VI, or even what competitors were doing with stuff like Shin Megami Tensei II or even Dragon Quest VI. Instead with CT you have the best presentation and fewest risks, like a SNES RPG Greatest Hits game. I'm pretty happy it exists regardless.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:
I could never again play Earthbound without a fast forward button. The combat is just ugh As far as CT is concerned, a lot of my love is nostalgia I'll admit. At the time, that game was unlike anything I'd ever experienced. I was a vet of SNES RPGs, but CT felt so massive, and the time travel between different worlds was amazing. Also, that it got as incredibly dark as it did during the future portions - I feel like no other SNES RPG had ever created an environment like that before. FF6 with the WoR, especially the early parts with Celes in the cabin, did this pretty well too. Yeeesh. 
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MockingQuantum posted:Nah you're not broke brained. It isn't universally loved (lots of people in the JRPG thread in regular Games are vocally not fond of it), and it hasn't aged any better than other RPGs of the era, except maybe visually, if the visual style is your cup of tea. I say all this as a huge CT fanboy, I love the game and play it every couple of years and get sucked in, but it's like any other big Square RPG from that era, and a couple generations after, it has its flaws that people are generally more willing to overlook than they would normally be because the story/music/visuals/whatever grabbed them hard. I love the game a lot but I get why it's not for everyone. Japan voted it best RPG for over 2 decades so disliking it is officially broke brained *stamps papers*
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I've been replaying the Shadowrun Genesis game and I wish someone with better research abilities than me would really dig into the making of that game. It's just so drat weird and ahead of its time (unless there are other console games with a similar open-world vibe). The gameplay's no great shakes but I have moved the plot exactly zero and have just been running around doing runs and I'm still strangely captivated after all these years. It should at least have gotten an award for really capturing its source material. RichterIX fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jan 8, 2020 |
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Shadowrun was the first time that "Sega does what NintenDON'T" felt like more than just hollow words to me.
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RichterIX posted:I've been replaying the Shadowrun Genesis game and I wish someone with better research abilities than me would really dig into the making of that game. It's just so drat weird and ahead of its time (unless there are other console games with a similar open-world vibe). The gameplay's no great shakes but I have moved the plot exactly zero and have just been running around doing runs and I'm still strangely captivated after all these years. I agree. It’s an incredible game with so many systems and so much love put into it. Really hope we can get the people who worked on it into a kind of oral history.
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RichterIX posted:I've been replaying the Shadowrun Genesis game and I wish someone with better research abilities than me would really dig into the making of that game. It's just so drat weird and ahead of its time (unless there are other console games with a similar open-world vibe). The gameplay's no great shakes but I have moved the plot exactly zero and have just been running around doing runs and I'm still strangely captivated after all these years. I love the game, but I wish combat were more than "run away, hit A," especially given how netrunning is relatively deep. A modern version of Genesis Shadowrun would be really fun (fingers crossed on the non-plot elements of Cyberpunk 2077).
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al-azad posted:Japan voted it best RPG for over 2 decades so disliking it is officially broke brained *stamps papers* augh why you gotta do me dirty, Japan? every time, I swear
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XtraSmiley posted:I've heard rumors about using a DS text version on the SNES or some such hack? This has never been done, as far as I’m aware, which is surprising. I prefer the script used on the DS version (mainly because of Frog’s dialogue), but would much rather play on an SNES. The closest thing seems to be Chrono Trigger: Complete which “combines the loved, quirky translation of the original SNES version, with the more extended script of the DS version” but leaves Frog’s speech unchanged and adds a bunch of fan fictiony extra scenes and dialogue, which... ehh no thanks.
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The Kins posted:They rebuilt the UI at some point to be more like the SNES game, with some bonus features like a sound test and the ability to rewatch previously-seen endings. It's definitely a world away from the pitiful state it launched in. Woa, nice improvement. Added to wishlist! I'll probably never buy it
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