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Miftan posted:Out of nowhere as in he didn't orchestrate 9/11 last week, but I take your point No Surrender is a slogan of the reactionary sectarian unionist wing of politics, as a shortened form of “no surrender to the ira” but then applied to anyone on they dislike. Maybe its that progressive patriotism reclamation plan in action.
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Coohoolin posted:I love the English left, it's so cool and smart and aware give over coolie no one cares because they're obviously not using it the same way, 'no surrender' isn't exactly a rare sentiment in politics the world over
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Trust me, people in Scotland care. "No Surrender" only means one thing up here and it's nothing the left want to be getting behind.
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bessantj posted:Unfortunately I have to admit ignorance. What is Qasem Soleimani supposed to have done that makes him a terrorist and it being such a good thing he was killed? there's a really interesting This World program on Sulemani that aired on Monday night after Newsnight: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0003871 tldr he was head of the iranian quds forces who trained up Shi'a militias that went on to kill a bunch of ARE BOYS in Basra when the uk/us went in in 2003-7
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Jose posted:this was basically all the military people who have for years wanted to kill suleimani finally having a president who doesn't give a poo poo about consequences so they presented him with it knowing he would do it and could take cover that he would get the blame Trump's surrounded himself with the worst people, apparently there was a bunch of internal power games going on that removed anyone who'd have argued against this decision, and once the way was clear they just talked Trump into it because he's famously easily manipulated by whoever has his ear like it's less that he doesn't care about consequences, more that he's a dumbass who doesn't know what he's doing and just assumes whatever he does will work out
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I'd like to see the meme and who is using it before getting up in arms
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Dear UK Marxists, I'm leaving this here since I don't know any better place. I hope this is alright with you. We're collecting for a friend in France who's struggling with severe disability and is caught in the bureaucratic mills. He's living on benefits and can't work due to his disabilities, and lives in a remote place that doesn't offer any charity or food bank during the winter period. An insurance has been coming after him for medical cost associated with the death of his mother who he was caring for. So at the moment he's left without money for food and heat. Aside from sending some care package over, we're collecting money for him to prevent him becoming homeless. If you have a little bit to spare, just a few pounds would already make a difference. https://twitter.com/sarahfuenke/status/1214870625392705536
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Jose posted:I'd like to see the meme and who is using it before getting up in arms Theres a link under the tweet. Pre-election it was amusing to see lab/corbyn supporters tweet “jeremy corbyn no surrender, 4 day week 3 day bender” and realise that they had no idea the how it would be read elsewhere. Especially given the accusations made against corbyns past. For those who are encountering this for the first time “no surrender” is not a phrase that will be reclaimed by the left in scotland, or NI. Trying to reclaim it elsewhere will have massive blowback in these areas. Like never mind the damage done by Bette Together (as RLB rightly called out this week). This will antagonise huge numbers and the er, staunchest, of unionists wont be won back by it either...
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Trust me, people in Scotland care. "No Surrender" only means one thing up here and it's nothing the left want to be getting behind. I'll be honest, I'd never heard of it before. But I am completely ignorant of the Rangers/sectarian stuff. Though, I've seen people up here who should know chanting that perfectly happily.  Jose posted:I'd like to see the meme and who is using it before getting up in arms It goes "Jeremy Corbyn, no surrender! Four day week and a three day bender!" Or Becky Long-Bailey, Bernie Sanders etc, substitute as appropriate.
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There's nothing that can't be reclaimed when suitably modified. Alan G posted:Especially given the accusations made against corbyns past.
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mehall posted:Also, the main places they do get volunteers from are towns in the arse end of the states with a whole lot of nothing in them, of kids looking for a way out of those places, to get a college education. From my indepth research based on many episodes of NCIS etc, seems to be if you fetch up in a bar in the US in military uniform you get people falling over themselves to buy you drinks.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Trust me, people in Scotland care. "No Surrender" only means one thing up here and it's nothing the left want to be getting behind. I lived in Scotland almost all my adult life and have a very different experience, but maybe you're right. I certainly can't imagine anyone I've met (bar possibly a few Celtic ultras) really not being able to have a bit of nuance here.
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Guavanaut posted:People would assume that he's a hardline Unionist IRA sympathizer? The press would run with each of those stories at the same time given their recent track record  . Makes as much sense as him being a Stalinist Trot.I just found the use of a unionist/loyalist mantra in something pro-Corbyn as amusing because of that. Only ever saw randomly on twitter though so dunno how many non-terminally online fowk encountered it. Even now its a small number of fowk on twitter who have spotted it a month late.
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Yeah if I heard "Jeremy Corbyn, No Surrender" used sincerely without context I'd assume it was an "anti-Corbyn because he's in the 'ra" thing, but it seems to be mostly an extremely online thing plus a handful of Bernie fans who don't know the context.
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CyberPingu posted:The NY Times Daily podcast did a good summary of him yesterday, tldr, he was seen as "the guy" to a lot of what we consider terrorist organisations. When his mother died a couple of years ago. The leaders of Hezbollah, ISIS and a couple of others all turned up to show their gratification towards him and pay respects, which is pretty odd according to the journalist who was reporting on this. No, the "leaders" of ISIS did not turn up at his mum's funeral, what the gently caress are you talking about? 1) ISIS hate the Shia barely less than they hate Yazidi, Christians, Jews or anyone else that isn't a loving maniacal Wahhabist. 2) Soleimani was the point man for the Iranian operations AGAINST ISIS in Iraq & Syria. If this actually came from the New York Time Daily podcast then that's a spectacular reason to not listen to what must be some seriously misinformed trash. I'd not bother listening to it, you'd get more accurate information from an episode of Cumtown. He's a military leader. Specifically the leader of a special operations group that does clandestine ops & military intelligence gathering in other countries (one which US General McChrystal described as a combination of the CIA & Joint Special Operations Command). He'd have ordered a lot of poo poo that is bad. But he's no different to military leaders in this country or the States. Generally speaking armies do bad poo poo, but unless you're at war brazenly assassinating a leading general is not done. It's kind of an act of war. Also lol at the idea they didn't know what they were doing. He was a high ranking army official.
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Jose posted:lol emily thornberry To the tune of Seven Nation Army.
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Jose posted:I'd like to see the meme and who is using it before getting up in arms If you click through that thread there's more
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Jose posted:the new york times have been pushing war with iran for years so i wouldn't trust anything they say, particularly that ISIS leaders turned up to pay respects Can't find a full source because Google search is just full of his funeral now but. https://iranwire.com/en/features/113
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The stupid English left, voting for an actually socialist party like idiots.
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Tesseraction posted:bud are you saying Iran did 9/11 I am Mike Pence and you claim my £5? Also thank you to everyone who explained the no surrender business. I am still woefully uninformed about the UK's past Miftan fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Jan 8, 2020 |
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Miftan posted:I am Mike Pence and you claim my £5? Just assume the worst at every turn, you won't go wrong. Why Morris dancing? Probably something to do with a genocide in India.
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Bit of a random question here: is there any way I can check up on the date of a hospital appointment? I was referred by my GP back in the autumn and I booked an appointment online but I forgot to write down the details anywhere. I know it's in February but I can't track down the date or time 
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Rarity posted:Bit of a random question here: is there any way I can check up on the date of a hospital appointment? I was referred by my GP back in the autumn and I booked an appointment online but I forgot to write down the details anywhere. I know it's in February but I can't track down the date or time The hospital might be able to tell you if you call and give them your name/NHS number?
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Rarity posted:Bit of a random question here: is there any way I can check up on the date of a hospital appointment? I was referred by my GP back in the autumn and I booked an appointment online but I forgot to write down the details anywhere. I know it's in February but I can't track down the date or time Chances are you haven't had the appointment yet, most of the time you'd expect a hardcopy letter. But you can probably give a ring to the department and find out.
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forkboy84 posted:No, the "leaders" of ISIS did not turn up at his mum's funeral, what the gently caress are you talking about? 1) ISIS hate the Shia barely less than they hate Yazidi, Christians, Jews or anyone else that isn't a loving maniacal Wahhabist. 2) Soleimani was the point man for the Iranian operations AGAINST ISIS in Iraq & Syria. Ok i got that slightly wrong, the people who attended were: quote:And that summer, his mother passed away, and the funeral of his mother in Tehran became the who’s who event of every militant group in the Middle East. From the head of Hamas, to Islamic Jihad, to senior members of Hezbollah, all showed up to pay respects to the general that they saw as the patron of their cause and movement.
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Rarity posted:Bit of a random question here: is there any way I can check up on the date of a hospital appointment? I was referred by my GP back in the autumn and I booked an appointment online but I forgot to write down the details anywhere. I know it's in February but I can't track down the date or time
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kinda wanna gently caress around and go to uni. if I apply for Scotland I can't do a foundation year, is that right? this stuff is very confusing and I don't know if it's worth trying and its anxiety provoking
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All sorted, thanks peeps!
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I've realised this thread is now where I go to ask the life questions I would have always asked my mum so congrats, you're now all my parents
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CoolCab posted:kinda wanna gently caress around and go to uni. if I apply for Scotland I can't do a foundation year, is that right? this stuff is very confusing and I don't know if it's worth trying and its anxiety provoking I did an access year at the start of my Uni degree if thats what you mean. That was at Napier
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CyberPingu posted:Ok i got that slightly wrong, the people who attended were: corbyn will pay for meeting with these people
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CyberPingu posted:I did an access year at the start of my Uni degree if thats what you mean. That was at Napier do you have to go to school for five years then, though? financing will only cover four...
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If the Scottish left is allowed to reclaim nationalism of all things as a progressive thing, I’m going to say that the words “no surrender” for a fun meme slogan is also okay to be reclaimed. I speak for all of Scotland in this matter.
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CoolCab posted:do you have to go to school for five years then, though? financing will only cover four... Mine was a 4 year course with the first year being the access course. Also UCAS/SAAS are weird. You can get extra years in certain circumstances, my mate somehow got them to fund him resitting first year 3 times.
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CoolCab posted:do you have to go to school for five years then, though? financing will only cover four... If you don't do a masters it's fine I think? Then again I did a 4-year MEng course in England so I don't really know what I'm talking about.
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CoolCab posted:do you have to go to school for five years then, though? financing will only cover four... If you've done no higher education before, SF will cover length of course + 1. In england that usually means 4 years but it's not fixed - you can get up to 5 years courses, so 6 funding years.
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I haven't been to school in this country. I dropped out in Canada like, gently caress, 14 years ago and would like to return as a mature student and get my undergrad.
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CoolCab posted:I haven't been to school in this country. I dropped out in Canada like, gently caress, 14 years ago and would like to return as a mature student and get my undergrad. How long have you been living in Scotland?
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CyberPingu posted:How long have you been living in Scotland? I'm not actually, I live in England (and have been for 14 years and am a citizen). I just need to move somewhere at least as cold as where I am now lol. I'm aware it would have to be financed, c'est la vie.
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