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Oooh, maybe I'm making my first terrible spoiler claim, but that thing seems pretty poo poo, yeah? Or at least wildly worse than Nissa. Needing considerable ramp to enable a greater ramp enabler seems quite bad. The body is worse than Nissa's on board value, and 7 is markedly more than 5. Even post rotation, I can't see this making a mark in anything other than some sort of EDH nonsense. Even cheating this into play seems dubious, at that you're just cheating it to get to something else, why not just do that in the first place?
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This just in, 7 mana spell that does nothing when it enters the battlefield is too powerful for Standard to handle
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Jan 8, 2020 20:58
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Owlbear Camus posted:Speaking of big mana, has a Nykthos reprint been crunched out? That was a leading theory as I recall. I'd be very surprised to see nykthos and nyx lotus in the same set
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Jan 8, 2020 20:59
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qwewq posted:Even cheating this into play seems dubious, at that you're just cheating it to get to something else, why not just do that in the first place? Cuz it will be fun! I will crack an LED for 81 or more at some point hopefully.
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Jan 8, 2020 20:59
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Seems like it slots right into Simic ramp deck, it even has trample so Finale of Devastation becomes absolutely lethal. No more Forerunners required.
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Jan 8, 2020 21:00
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qwewq posted:Even cheating this into play seems dubious, at that you're just cheating it to get to something else, why not just do that in the first place? Is there a fireball/banefire in Standard right now?
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Jan 8, 2020 21:02
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Well sure, but like, anyone can find anything in Magic fun and novel. Some filthy degenerate is, at this very moment, rolling around in a sopping wet pile of Riven Turnbull commander decks, just waiting for their moment to shine. So when I say it seems worse than what you could be doing otherwise, I mean it without all the hand-wringing that someone could find some goofy use for it that appeals perfectly to them. Owlbear Camus posted:Is there a fireball/banefire in Standard right now? Krasis, the inverse Fireball! or Expansion Explosion for the 3 color connoisseurs.
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Jan 8, 2020 21:02
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Owlbear Camus posted:Is there a fireball/banefire in Standard right now? Electrodominance, and soon to be Purph's intervention. Explosion if in rug.
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Jan 8, 2020 21:06
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qwewq posted:Even cheating this into play seems dubious, at that you're just cheating it to get to something else, why not just do that in the first place? Don't get me wrong, it's probably still win-more, but I think most people's thinking in this is going towards X-spells, which are pretty bad for cheating, generally. I want to try this at least once in some sort of bad Fires shell. Lay your seventh land, play this without tapping any land, immediately have 21 mana to sink into whatever your little Timmy heart desires. Will it be better than whatever else you could be doing in a Fires deck? Probably not, but that's utterly beside the point.
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Jan 8, 2020 21:06
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Yeah, I mean it's a 7 mana spell that wins the game if they can't counter it and they already aren't underneath it. Also applies to about 5 different planeswalkers in Standard right now.
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Apropos of nothing, does anyone have a competitive suggestion for the MCQ this weekend? I have next to no time to practice and this format feels like kinda like warmed-up leftovers until THB gets in. I've dabbled with WU board-wipe-over-stealing control and BR knights. I know I won't have infinite time to do this, so food/sac decks seems unlikely with all the triggers. Ta!
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Jan 8, 2020 21:14
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Bugsy posted:Electrodominance, and soon to be Purph's intervention. Explosion if in rug. Keep it simic and just play the green and blue finales?
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Jan 8, 2020 21:14
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Count Bleck posted:Can't wait for Heliod's Intervention to be steaming garbage. Haven't read the rest of the thread yet so idk if it's been spoiled, but here's my guess: XWW, either make X 1/1 creature tokens or gain twice X life Even that is probably too good for what it will be
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Jan 8, 2020 21:15
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combos well with Palinchron. *whistful memories of my type 1 high tide deck full of power and duals that i sold in 2000 and if it would be a toss up if i got to holler through a time door at y2k me whether i'd warn myself to keep my lotus and moxen and poo poo or to stop 9/11* The Clowner posted:Haven't read the rest of the thread yet so idk if it's been spoiled, but here's my guess: the creature tokens will be vanilla with a dorky tribal type that nothing cares about, probably soldier
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Jan 8, 2020 21:16
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It's pretty winmore but I'll still run it in my G/u hydra ramp deck so I can Krasis for like 32 on turn 5.
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Jan 8, 2020 21:24
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A 7 mana spell should really be winning the game on its own if it resolves, not "winning the game if you untap with it and have another big spell". It's sortof interesting as a card to cheat out though, if you play it with Fires of Invention you could just fireball your opponent.
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Jan 8, 2020 21:26
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Jan 8, 2020 21:48
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That's one way to print an answer in its own set. (Card extremely could have been white.)
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Jan 8, 2020 21:50
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the Orb of Zot posted:http://mythicspoiler.com/tbd/cards/mysticalrenewal.html And here I was just thinking "well, at least White is still the best at enchantment hate".
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Jan 8, 2020 21:51
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In this limited environment that's practically a green StP/Path that hits non-creature enchantments, too. Hyperbole,, sure it's gonna miss some important stuff. But it's going to hit enough that I'm happy to maindeck like 2.
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AngryBooch posted:Seems like it slots right into Simic ramp deck, it even has trample so Finale of Devastation becomes absolutely lethal. No more Forerunners required. IDK if a single creature with trample is enough, but this is where I'd be interested in trying it out. One copy to be the Finale target, and if occasionally you have way too much fun with quasiduplicate, whelp. qwewq posted:Apropos of nothing, does anyone have a competitive suggestion for the MCQ this weekend? I have next to no time to practice and this format feels like kinda like warmed-up leftovers until THB gets in. BR Knights is a fine choice. WU is obviously also slow like cats. http://www.streamdecker.com/deck/0ie2h70mK3k is the latest evolution of the format I've seen, good against Knights, bad against cats, and pretty close with fires. I'd seriously consider playing it if I was to play in the event.
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Jan 8, 2020 21:55
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Cactrot posted:There is one slot between Field of Ruin and Temple of Abandon, once you see card 243 it will either be Nykthos or Nykthos is not in the set. http://mythicspoiler.com/tbd/cards/labyrinthofskophos.html
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"We need a safety valve for all the powerful enchantments and enchantment creatures in this set." "Hoabout a mashup that harkens to a miracled Banishing Stroke, Condemn, Swords/Path, but hits enchantments instead of creatures, like Demystify. All of these are white spot removal instants that cost [W]." "I love it, can we make it green and cost [G] though?"
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/\/\/\ oh man, if there was ever any question that the white "color champion" at wotc has no power or influence this really crystallizes it. Would it really have broken the game to give this another toughness or cost it at 1W? Green is getting two mana 2/3s with strong but narrow effects but a white three drop with conditional double strike has to die to stomp? Magic Underwear fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jan 8, 2020 |
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Wasn't listed in the scryfall number crunch, oops.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:BR Knights is a fine choice. WU is obviously also slow like cats. http://www.streamdecker.com/deck/0ie2h70mK3k is the latest evolution of the format I've seen, good against Knights, bad against cats, and pretty close with fires. I'd seriously consider playing it if I was to play in the event. Thanks! I'll give that a spin tonight. Bant goodstuff adventures does seem rather compelling, it's an impressive pile of some op poo poo.
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To be fair, green has always been the color of putting enchantments into their controller's deck. White just blows them up or removes them from the game. Of course this could have just been Erase or whatever so 
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Owlbear Camus posted:"We need a safety valve for all the powerful enchantments and enchantment creatures in this set." It's been 14 months since the PT top 8 was 6/8 Wr decks and had more copies of Healer's Hawk (10) in it than black and green cards (0). Slow your dang roll a little, white will have its day in the sun again.
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Cactrot posted:Wasn't listed in the scryfall number crunch, oops. That's cause it's a leak not a spoiler.
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Tulul posted:It's been 14 months since the PT top 8 was 6/8 Wr decks and had more copies of Healer's Hawk (10) in it than black and green cards (0). Slow your dang roll a little, white will have its day in the sun again. Yes, but what about Second Sun?
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 Splashable black targetted discard. 2 mana is a lot, but it does exile and hit gys too.
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So the gods are fighting and pulling the dead out of Not Hades to foreverially enchantmentize into immortal heros, their Titan forebears are loosed for *reasons*, and the God of Fate is entirely done with all this denying fate nonsense and tut tutting everything back together with lightning bolts. Could be a fun story. But I have no idea what the story of Eldraine was supposed to be either other than "a shapeshifting elf twink kidnaps the king and his kids have to go find him; presumably hijinks ensue".
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Lol did y'all see that new green card, it kills a god at instant speed for 1 mana, very cool
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the Orb of Zot posted:http://mythicspoiler.com/tbd/cards/mysticalrenewal.html Wasn't expecting a cheaper Unravel the Aether that cant hit artifacts, but ok. https://scryfall.com/card/bng/143/unravel-the-aether
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:So the gods are fighting and pulling the dead out of Not Hades to foreverially enchantmentize into immortal heros, their Titan forebears are loosed for *reasons*, and the God of Fate is entirely done with all this denying fate nonsense and tut tutting everything back together with lightning bolts. Could be a fun story. But I have no idea what the story of Eldraine was supposed to be either other than "a shapeshifting elf twink kidnaps the king and his kids have to go find him; presumably hijinks ensue". *faerie twink
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There's a book and it basically is that but also Garruk falls into the Cauldron of Eternity and that cures the chain veil curse.
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Kurtofan posted:wasn't that the book where chandra was into BUFF MEN no, that was the follow up to the WAR book. The throne book is completely different and contains no gatewatch members.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:
Doesn't really deal with a cauldron familiar, but it does make them move it out of the graveyard before it resolves and without turning into an 0 for 1.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:
Considering how the format looks like it's going, this isn't dead late game, which is a pretty good upgrade
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