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Augus posted:that isn't canon, nobody would actually marry lorenz nice, a new thread title
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Augus posted:that obviously isn't canon, nobody would ever marry lorenz in a million years Something we should all be able to agree on.
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Jan 9, 2020 02:38
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I also wouldn't marry anyone to Manuela so they're perfect for each other.
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Jan 9, 2020 02:43
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Marry Manuela to Ferdinand, not for Ferdinand's benefit, but so she can be the goddamned prime minister she's always destined to be
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Jan 9, 2020 02:46
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KittyEmpress posted:I also wouldn't marry anyone to Manuela so they're perfect for each other. I dunno, I just did Manuela's A+ support with Seteth and it had me cracking up. Manuela blatantly puts the moves on Seteth... and it works. Seteth might be my favorite character in Three Houses.
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Seteth is my 5th favorite character and 3rd favorite boy, but he is my favorite dad.
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I didn't realize Edelgard had missed the registration date to run for archbishop. Sure, she has flaws (I am legitimately surprised no one has brought up her tendency to edit the truth) but I'm not exactly certain how else one is supposed to depose an immortal god-queen with a private military force and the ability to order the continent into holy war.
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You all are getting really mad about a janky JRPG with a slapdash plot. Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude with vs without Byleth are fundamentally different characters. Byleth is a magic plot device whose presence causes the lords to almost completely lose or at a minimum be unburdened by their own character flaws and go on to forge a world with a storybook happy ending. Conversely, all three lords without Byleth ultimately succumb to their issues and cause a lot of unnecessary death and suffering before dying or being shuffled out of the conflict. Personally I think Edelgard is the most compelling of the three lords, but trying to argue that her ending is better than Dimitri's ending because "feudalism bad and Dimitri is crazy" is loving asinine because the story explicitly spells out that in his ending he is a very good king and the whole continent is better off under his and Byleth's joint rule. Likewise Edelgard's ending sidesteps all the consequences you'd actually face dismantling a millennium-old religion worshiped by an entire continent and the social paradigm of nobility, and Claude's just assumes Byleth is an enlightened dictator who never goes astray ever. All the endings are flawed if you scrutinize them enough, which is why scrutinizing them is dumb.
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if you scrutinize a bit harder you'll see that edelgard's ending is the best one because it is the most gay one
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Sydin posted:Personally I think Edelgard is the most compelling of the three lords, but trying to argue that her ending is better than Dimitri's ending because "feudalism bad and Dimitri is crazy" is loving asinine because the story explicitly spells out that in his ending he is a very good king and the whole continent is better off under his and Byleth's joint rule. Likewise Edelgard's ending sidesteps all the consequences you'd actually face dismantling a millennium-old religion worshiped by an entire continent and the social paradigm of nobility, and Claude's just assumes Byleth is an enlightened dictator who never goes astray ever. All the endings are flawed if you scrutinize them enough, which is why scrutinizing them is dumb. 
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KittyEmpress posted:Seteth is my 5th favorite character and 3rd favorite boy, but he is my favorite dad. Anyway my quick top 5 is: 1. Seteth 2. Manuela 3. Dedue 4. Dorothea 5. Flayn
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Augus posted:if you scrutinize a bit harder you'll see that edelgard's ending is the best one because it is the most gay one
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Augus posted:if you scrutinize a bit harder you'll see that edelgard's ending is the best one because it is the most gay one  Coincidentally the Black Eagles are also the most gay house, making them the best.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:I didn't realize Edelgard had missed the registration date to run for archbishop. I mean this is true, in the story as written she didn't have a good alternative. Also the opportunity to make Fantasy Lenin your gay wife is amazing tbh.
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Yeah, I'm not really sure what Edelgard is really supposed to have done to address her difficulties and the difficulties of the continent that don't involve either a war or basically giving up all chance of success. Even "be more trusting" is only really an option on the paths where she already has Byleth as a teacher. Opening up to Dimitri was never really a viable option, at least about her secret plans.
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blizzardvizard posted:Anyway my quick top 5 is: a Good List I think mine would be 1. Dorothea 2. Manuela 3. Edelgard 4. Felix 5. Ferdinand but i may have forgotten some essential characters edit: gently caress i forgot hubert. hubert goes in 4, knocks felix down to 5 also the great tragedy of the game is explicitly that if only the three lords had trusted each other they could probably have worked out a way to reform the continent together, or at least find a solution that didn't involve killing each other, but none of them were ever going to be able to do that
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Off the top of my head top 5 chars 1. Edelgard 2. Bernie 3. Ferdinand von Aegir 4. Marianne 5. Hubert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4T-eEM00DA Eimi fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jan 9, 2020 |
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professor metis posted:also the great tragedy of the game is explicitly that if only the three lords had trusted each other they could probably have worked out a way to reform the continent together, or at least find a solution that didn't involve killing each other, but none of them were ever going to be able to do that Honestly, the thing is that for Edelgard she has no reason to believe that trusting Dimitri is worth the risk, because he's way more likely to blow the gaff too soon and if he does that it's all over. Trusting Claude is theoretically a better proposition because he is all about Edelgard's poo poo, but he wears a sign around his neck that says DON'T TRUST ME so people rarely do. (Ironically, he is lying.)
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If nothing else, I still think Edelgard could have killed off the Agarthans by going "Hey, Dimitri. Wanna know who's responsible for the Tragedy of Duscur? THESE FUCKERS!" My top five so far would probably be: 1. Seteth 2. Dedue 3. Marianne 4. Annette 5. Ingrid
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my fav character is petra for the very scientific reason that I guessed her dialogue choices right more often than anyone else
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1. Hilda 2. Claude 3. Edelgard 4. Felix 5. Marianne I've gotten to the third to last Chapter on NG+ Maddening Blue Lions and am hitting a wall in a way that didn't happen on CF and GD. Critical hits from siege tomes are eating all my Divine pulses and I just can't seem to press forward to eliminate ballisticians and siege tome havers without getting slaughtered. mycatscrimes fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Jan 9, 2020 |
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I'm still amazed that Three Houses made me like the edgy swordmaster character. I absolutely hate every version of that character, but Felix??? Felix is good.
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Best characters are clearly 1) Ferdinand 2) Seteth 3) Edelgard 4) Flayn 5) Dorothea Felix, Hilda and Dedue get honorable mentions
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1. Caspar 2. Ashe 3. Dimitri 4. Claude 5. Dorothea
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professor metis posted:I'm still amazed that Three Houses made me like the edgy swordmaster character. I absolutely hate every version of that character, but Felix??? Felix is good. e. Top five is probably: 1. Felix/Dorothea (don't make me choose) 2. Edelgard 3. Petra 4. Seteth 5. Hilda Sydin fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jan 9, 2020 |
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Shinji117 posted:
This feels a bit disingenuous, since Dimitri's ending explictly says, "After his coronation, Dimitri spent his life reforming and ruling justly over Fódlan. He focused particularly on improving living situations for orphans and improving foreign relations. He was known for listening intently to the voices of all, and for instituting a new form of government in which the people were free to be active participants. He lived for his people and alongside them, and was thusly dubbed the Savior King." So the idea of it being huzzah for monarchy and aristocracy seems a bit of a stretch, since empowering the people necessarily involves placing constraints on the nobles. I mean hell, Edelgard explicitly does not abolish the nobility in any sense, noble titles and territories still exist in the CW endings. Now, I'm not saying that a constitutional monarchy or whatever Dimitri actually does in practice is the best outcome, but it feels odd to call it business as usual either. You could say "Ah well Edelgard's Fodlan is clearly a place where meritocracy is valued but in practice this means that the favorites of whatever emperor happens to be in charge are elevated to high office" based on how CW goes, but that would be a pretty uncharitable reading too. willing to settle fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jan 9, 2020 |
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Manatee Cannon posted:no I mean like the hilariously evil bad guys in fe4/5. like those priests that want lief dead Also if we're doing Top 5 lists.
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1. Dorothea 2. Edelgard 3. Shamir 4. Dedue 5. Marianne Honorable mentions to Bernie, Petra, Hubert, Annette, Lysithea, Felix, and Dimitri. I legitimately like nearly every playable character. I'm not crazy about Cyril and Catherine, but I admit they have some great supports. Even as far as Rhea is concerned, I think she's a great villain and I can still sympathize with her to an extent.
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Fernie in english is quite muted compared to his japanese https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6V_EIXrLQ
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1. Mercedes 2. Dedue 3. Dorothea 4. Dimitri 5. Seteth Ferdinand is my honorary mention, but holy crap Dedue? He's so sweet. I adore every one of his supports, he is so calm and lovely to everyone he meets.
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Rand Brittain posted:Trusting Claude is theoretically a better proposition because he is all about Edelgard's poo poo, but he wears a sign around his neck that says DON'T TRUST ME so people rarely do. (Ironically, he is lying.) There is literally a scene in part one of Verdant Wind where Claude tells Edelgard "you tell me all your secrets, I'll tell you all of mine". She rejects it because she doesn't trust him. 
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Melomane Mallet posted:There is literally a scene in part one of Verdant Wind where Claude tells Edelgard "you tell me all your secrets, I'll tell you all of mine". She rejects it because she doesn't trust him. Wasn't it more "if you want to know my deal, swear to support me in my goals before you know what they are", or was that a different scene?
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i think the initial offer is what Melomane says but when Edelgard approaches him for a second time he ups the stakes because it's becoming clearer that there's a lot of poo poo going down and he can't afford to share what he knows. this is further amplified by the golden deer route doing a bit of misdirection to imply that claude might be the flame emperor, even if it never really commits to the concept hard enough for it to be a believable twist.
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Also Claude is a known poisoner in an era that values chivalry. This is an excellent way to be completely mistrusted.
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Given that Edelgard's #2 is Hubert (who is almost definitely willing to poison people), I think her inability to know Claude's agenda might be a slightly more pressing concern for her.
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ungulateman posted:i think the initial offer is what Melomane says but when Edelgard approaches him for a second time he ups the stakes because it's becoming clearer that there's a lot of poo poo going down and he can't afford to share what he knows. All right, I just rewatched it ('Crests: the Good and the Bad' in the event viewer), we were both a bit off. They both needle each other about secrets then it's Claude who says he'll share his secrets if Edelgard helps him.
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Have people considered that Edelgard good because gay tho
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Remember that Hubie also goes behind her back on several occasions (and probably way more offscreen, given the implications that he's been Edelgard's "bad guy" for a long time). Like again: I love my murder goth for who he is as a character (he's basically like if Tharja and Frederick had a baby), but let's not pretend that he isn't an rear end in a top hat.
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