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Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

China does its cultural imperialisms in central asia not africa, duh

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

Chinese people are no angels

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
I can see how that would be chronically stressful to deal with. my prescription is as always, mao was right:

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Atopian posted:

"A recurring theme for this thread is: "but the US is worse!"
Yes. The US is worse. So what? Their relevance is as entertainment or for whatever economic thing they're loving up at present."

Pleade dont repost your post. Having to read your baby brain thoughts once is grating enough.

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011

Atopian posted:

"A recurring theme for this thread is: "but the US is worse!"
Yes. The US is worse. So what? Their relevance is as entertainment or for whatever economic thing they're loving up at present."

Atopian posted:

Obviously China is offering better deals, because countries are taking those deals, but that doesn't mean the overall effect on Africa is going to be much different than it was before.

please share w us how terrifying chinese bridges and ports are going to overthrowing the wealthiest african nation, turning it into an open air slave market, and sodomizing its leader to death with a bayonet.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

I seriously want an answer. What did you think the point was in saying Chinese are racist to Africans?

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

What does Chinese people being racist have to do with their government's dealings with African countries?

It was a reply to someone saying that China wasn't white supremacist.
Sure it's not. It's Han supremacist, but that doesn't really help Africa.

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016
shut the gently caress up you sinophobic KKKracker-rear end moron

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

I think the part about not having a history of bombing, raping, and pillaging is pretty good for Africa.

cyka blyat
Sep 12, 2018

1999. What appeared to be a harmless meteorite crashing in the Nevada desert has turned out to be Darc Seed, an evil alien creature with horrible powers. By shooting strange magnetic rays, Darc Seed had turned the helpless nation into zombies and had brought the Statue of Liberty to life to do his dirty work. These rays had also given him control over many deadly weapons, but none were more powerful than the legendary samurai sword, Shura. When the great head of the samurai, Namakubi, heard that the sword had fallen into evil hands, he set off immediately for the United States. For only he possessed the strength and knowledge needed to recapture the magical sword and free the U.S. from the evil clutches of Darc Seed.

"China does bad things."

"Stupid westerner, America does bad things."

"I agree. Also China."

"American apologist scum!"

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016
"Han supremacist" is a racebaiting white devil dogwhistle and should be met with nothing less then a ban if not a permaban

cyka blyat
Sep 12, 2018

1999. What appeared to be a harmless meteorite crashing in the Nevada desert has turned out to be Darc Seed, an evil alien creature with horrible powers. By shooting strange magnetic rays, Darc Seed had turned the helpless nation into zombies and had brought the Statue of Liberty to life to do his dirty work. These rays had also given him control over many deadly weapons, but none were more powerful than the legendary samurai sword, Shura. When the great head of the samurai, Namakubi, heard that the sword had fallen into evil hands, he set off immediately for the United States. For only he possessed the strength and knowledge needed to recapture the magical sword and free the U.S. from the evil clutches of Darc Seed.

Autism Sneaks posted:

"Han supremacist" is a racebaiting white devil dogwhistle and should be met with nothing less then a ban if not a permaban

What on earth? No it isnt.

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011

Atopian posted:

It was a reply to someone saying that China wasn't white supremacist.
Sure it's not. It's Han supremacist, but that doesn't really help Africa.

if your definition of a country being 'han supremacist' is anyone having any incidence of racism against non han then your definition of 'x supremacist' is useless and you are (surprise surprise) a bad poster.

Autism Sneaks posted:

"Han supremacist" is a racebaiting white devil dogwhistle and should be met with nothing less then a ban if not a permaban

:hmmyes:

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I think the part about not having a history of bombing, raping, and pillaging is pretty good for Africa.

Sure it is. As noted before, China seems to be an improvement over the US from Africa's perspective. That doesn't mean that what China is doing is good.
"Better than US foreign policy" is a low bar.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

uninterrupted posted:

if your definition of a country being 'han supremacist' is anyone having any incidence of racism against non han then your definition of 'x supremacist' is useless and you are (surprise surprise) a bad poster.

If it were, I guess.

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

cyka blyat posted:

What on earth? No it isnt.

did anyone ask you what you thought you loving Caucasoid demon? go drink some more child blood, we'll come mount your fanged Nosferatu-rear end head on a spike later

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Atopian posted:

Sure it's not. It's Han supremacist, but that doesn't really help Africa.

Show me where the han citizen's councils are marauding black folks in the PRC. Han supremacists were so racially chauvinist they built the TANZARA railway at enormous expense in both money and lives so Tanzania and Zambia could get a connection to the sea after Rhodesia threatened to block their deep water port access. Since woke clowns like you are always on about "lived experiences" have some lived experience here about chinese doing an imperialism in Africa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ad1Q6s6bNs

cyka blyat
Sep 12, 2018

1999. What appeared to be a harmless meteorite crashing in the Nevada desert has turned out to be Darc Seed, an evil alien creature with horrible powers. By shooting strange magnetic rays, Darc Seed had turned the helpless nation into zombies and had brought the Statue of Liberty to life to do his dirty work. These rays had also given him control over many deadly weapons, but none were more powerful than the legendary samurai sword, Shura. When the great head of the samurai, Namakubi, heard that the sword had fallen into evil hands, he set off immediately for the United States. For only he possessed the strength and knowledge needed to recapture the magical sword and free the U.S. from the evil clutches of Darc Seed.

Autism Sneaks posted:

did anyone ask you what you thought you loving Caucasoid demon? go drink some more child blood, we'll come mount your fanged Nosferatu-rear end head on a spike later

Now that is racist, and a physical threat.

cyka blyat has issued a correction as of 05:56 on Jan 10, 2020

Traveler
Sep 13, 2006
Just like we should not take mod actions on bad faith because they are opaque about their decision making, we should not take China's actions on bad faith

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

cyka blyat posted:

Now that is racist.

sorry but whiteness isn't a race it's a disease, cry me a river bat boy

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
prc: issues interest free loans, runs guns and money to liberation movements, builds railways to break rhodesian blockades

us: assassinates patrice lumumba and other anti-colonial leaders, bombs and invades african nations like libya, installs comprador elites that funnel wealth and resources to western nations at the expense of their own people, incarcerates more black people in the world than in any other country

atopian: they're the same

Reznor
Jan 15, 2006

Hot dinosnail action.

Atopian posted:

Sure it is. As noted before, China seems to be an improvement over the US from Africa's perspective. That doesn't mean that what China is doing is good.
"Better than US foreign policy" is a low bar.

That does make it weird to be talking poo poo about China when there are more worthy targets to talk poo poo about.

This effect is compounded when the poo poo talking takes the form of USgov propaganda. Which is like pot calling fancy Apple device black.

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

Atopian posted:

A recurring theme for this thread is: "but the US is worse!"
Yes. The US is worse. So what? Their relevance is as entertainment or for whatever economic thing they're loving up at present.
This entire conversation was started by fools regurgitating Prager U level talking points about how China is an imperialist threat. While China is not above criticism the idea that they are an imperialist threat when they haven't done any invasions or proxy wars in decades while the US is in a constant state of war is beyond laughable. Call me when the Chinese start destroying entire countries with bombs, regime changes, and assassinations. Expanding influence with infrastructure loans isn't just "not as bad", it's not even in the same moral universe.

That is the relevance of the US to this conversation. Not as an entertaining source of fuckups, but as the primary supporter of imperialist actions that kill millions of people. Genuine anti-imperialists are concerned with actions like the destruction of Libya, Iraq, and Syria, the jailing of Lula, the coup against Morales, and westerners supporting the unelected Guaido in Venezuela. If you want to look strictly at financing the IMF and World Bank trap nations in lethal debt slavery they will never escape. The working class are forced into poverty as the IMF demands brutal austerity policies for it's borrowers. THAT is what actual imperialist finance looks like. Not China giving out good faith loans with few strings attached and then either writing off the interest or forgiving some of them entirely.

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016
he says "from Africa's perspective" like they are supposed to be too dumb "ignorant" to tell the difference between chattel slavery and colonization versus *checks notes* investment in economic development, and these are somehow equally bad if the latter is not worse

seriously this is a level of evil you would think could only be created in a lab

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Two good posts, but I also want to say this:

If you don't like China, have at it, go off, just state your case instead of being a nambypamby equivocating pundit brained rear end dipshit.

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme
Tankies: The West should be destroyed for turning China into its cheap factory without any regulations.

Also tankies: China should be praised for turning Africa into its cheap factory without any regulations.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Autism Sneaks posted:

seriously this is a level of evil you would think could only be created in a lab
Maybe not in a lab, but definitely in a lib.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

Darkest Auer posted:

Tankies: The West should be destroyed for turning China into its cheap factory without any regulations.

Also tankies: China should be praised for turning Africa into its cheap factory without any regulations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7pz7CqWTMs

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


do not uncritically accept propaganda from the imperialist state that obsessively surveils its own citizens









no not like that

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

Imagine thinking it's a "low bar" to issue development loans that don't have demands for neoliberal market reforms attached.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Atopian posted:

Sure it is. As noted before, China seems to be an improvement over the US from Africa's perspective. That doesn't mean that what China is doing is good.
"Better than US foreign policy" is a low bar.

China's foreign policy being better than the standards set by the West, to the extent that African nations would rather deal with them, than the West, is not evidence of imperialism

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

frankenfreak posted:

Maybe not in a lab, but definitely in a lib.

please don't infect my NOI bit with dad jokes

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

SKULL.GIF posted:

do not uncritically accept propaganda from the imperialist state that obsessively surveils its own citizens









no not like that

why don't you just change your av to a Han person's face getting melted to the bone, just go completely mask off already you Nazi gently caress

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018

SKULL.GIF posted:

do not uncritically accept propaganda from the imperialist state that obsessively surveils its own citizens









no not like that

The reasons why people who equate the two countries are dumb as dogshit have been covered in detail, but thanks for providing even more evidence.

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
Racism in china is pretty incomparable to western racism, other than that it should be condemned where it shows up

The notion of Han Supremacy is a problem, and was in fact a major concern Mao wanted to confront, calling it 大漢族主義.

It's not an active ideology like white supremacy which believes in some natural order or physiological predisposition, it's largely a byproduct of Han culture being so prevalent that it has been normalized in China to the detriment of other cultures.

Like a lot of east Asia, attitudes towards people outside of asia are based on a lot of stereotypes and ignorances gained during colonialism and / or contact with the west. Most stereotypes of black people are directly lifted from the American context, most stereotypes of white people are ludicrously positive.

Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 08:23 on Jan 10, 2020

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

lol we don’t have to go that far from China to see Han racial supremacy causing trouble ie Xinjiang

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

shrike82 posted:

lol we don’t have to go that far from China to see Han racial supremacy causing trouble ie Xinjiang

It's definitely an ethnic struggle but I don't think Han-Supremicist-Racism is the right interpretation, it's basically flat out wrong

But americans only really understand things through race because it was the central ideology of your country for 200 years so idk maybe you're hosed to ever get it

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

China's involvement in Africa is 70 percent good, 30 percent imperialist.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

china can have a little imperialism

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GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

comedyblissoption posted:

china can have a little imperialism

its herChina's turn

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