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Is there a way to see how many hours of gametime you have in a save?
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Jan 10, 2020 04:50
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TommyGun85 posted:ugh i hate when games do stupid gimmicks like this. If you hate the core conceit of the game, I don't know what to tell you.
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Jan 10, 2020 04:54
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Caufman posted:I'm convinced that the best way to play this game is with 6/6/6/6 maxed out skills and perpetually internalizing (but never completing) the Precarious World. Any way to make the second part happen? You can start and stop internalizing in the middle of a conversation, so just turn it on right before red checks and turn it off outside of that?
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Jan 10, 2020 05:14
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Beamed posted:If you hate the core conceit of the game, I don't know what to tell you. The core conceit of the game is a game over fakeout?
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Jan 10, 2020 05:54
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He meant to say the game is conceited.
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Jan 10, 2020 05:57
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Wafflecopper posted:The core conceit of the game is a game over fakeout? No, it's personification of your innards 
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Jan 10, 2020 06:08
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Sometimes you've got to actually sit back and wait for something to play out rather than immediately trying to hit the reset button when a game does something funny. It's basically FISSION MAILED.
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Jan 10, 2020 06:29
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You don't actually need to post to the thread to let everyone know that you completely owned yourself, but it's very much in the spirit of the game and I appreciate it.
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Jan 10, 2020 07:04
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If you actually get a gameover you get a newspaper article and sent back to the title screen.
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Jan 10, 2020 07:05
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staplegun posted:You don't actually need to post to the thread to let everyone know that you completely owned yourself, but it's very much in the spirit of the game and I appreciate it. I completely own myself most days of the week, but I try to be humble about it, ya know? Hardcore to the max.
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Jan 10, 2020 07:23
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JBP posted:He meant to say the game is conceited. Dude, you and Jim Sterling convinced me that this game was some like, Fallout style 'moral choices' RPG, but with Bioshock style 'well actually, liberals can be just as bad as conservatives!', (I mean, Jim Sterling lead me to believe that more than you did, but your posts made me think that was actually the case) but this game is good! You should play more of it, it gets way better when you get to day two. I'm in the middle of day 2, and after not liking my first character, and thinking I permadied, I just rolled a random character and then I leveled up Inland Empire the most, I'm not sure how many times, but maybe 4 in addition to what I already had so it's by far my highest stat. So I'm excited to do whatever the check it is that's spoilered. Is there any way to play this with a controller? I was gonna wait to play this on PS4 when it comes out on console, but I can't wait.... I assumed there might be some Steam controller configurations for a DS4 though, but I'm a noob console gamer who doesn't know about these things.
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Jan 10, 2020 08:09
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Oh buddy don't get me wrong, I like the game and I like the communism. A. Lot
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Jan 10, 2020 08:11
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Oh ok, good. I was gonna add that how much you like the game also probably depends on how much you like communism.
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Jan 10, 2020 08:23
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Wafflecopper posted:The core conceit of the game is a game over fakeout? More perhaps the core conceit of the game is words are fun to read. (Exceptions include Measurehead.) EDIT : Also, kind of impressed that someone who likes communism likes the game. It does seem to mostly describe it as an eternal gently caress up. I mean, the same for capitalism, admittedly.
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Jan 10, 2020 09:15
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Tylana posted:More perhaps the core conceit of the game is words are fun to read. (Exceptions include Measurehead.) As a MASSIVE COMMUNIST I feel like the game speaks to an uncomfortable notion that leftist thought can’t bear to consider: “is it too late?” I think deep down everyone further left than social democrats has that as a worry, an understanding that the current society is deeply morally wrong, but a creeping dread that maybe it’s now impossible to stop it. If you play as a communist, you essentially embody that notion, you know what you believe is right, but nobody takes you seriously and you are essentially powerless to actually put your belief into action. You’re pretty much all talk, and everyone on the left knows people like that. Also, it doesn’t shy away at the end from the notion that a lot of the old guard who are still around have been twisted by bitterness wrought from a lifetime of failure into deeply unpleasant people (see: Trots in the UK who have become creepy weird conservatives/racists/rapists) But at the same time, the game avoids just being a depressing dunk on leftist thought by offering out some nuanced hope. The Union is winning in Martinaise, but it’s sickeningly corrupt. The communist remnants in the RCM are planning a revolution, but how much would you trust a police-led coup? I think Disco Elysium paints a very sympathetic portrait of Communism, but it takes its time to dwell on the cracks in the paint.
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Jan 10, 2020 09:42
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Tylana posted:Sometimes raising skill caps is really good. Googling found me a DE wiki with most of the thoughts having an okay amount of info. Caufman posted:I'm convinced that the best way to play this game is with 6/6/6/6 maxed out skills and perpetually internalizing (but never completing) the Precarious World. Any way to make the second part happen? I've somehow managed to get thoughts to stop internalizing while on the island by continually stopping and re-starting the internalization process, but I'm not sure how to replicate the effect. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 09:45
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Don't get too discouraged in the ideological struggle, comrade. Hug a working-class woman. Her husband just died
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Jan 10, 2020 09:49
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Tylana posted:More perhaps the core conceit of the game is words are fun to read. (Exceptions include Measurehead.) Not really. Disco Elysium is steeped in Zizekian stuff.
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Jan 10, 2020 09:49
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Thanks Reveilled that's a read I wouldn't have come up with on my own.
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Jan 10, 2020 09:53
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Reveilled posted:But at the same time, the game avoids just being a depressing dunk on leftist thought by offering out some nuanced hope. The communist remnants in the RCM are planning a revolution, but how much would you trust a police-led coup? Well the police in this game are very much unlike the police....almost anywhere really. For one thing they are paid for by donation, for another they actively use outdated and archaic weapons because their first role isn't to hurt people, and as you find out they are ideologically tied on some level to the old communist system when everyone else has moved on. They are very much for the city, and to some degree the people. So what I'm saying is that Disco Elysium is more of a fantasy than the rpgs with orks and gnolls and poo poo.
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Jan 10, 2020 09:58
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I'm slowly buying into my "Disco Elysium endorses Anarchism" silly theory more and more.
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Jan 10, 2020 11:04
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The thing is about Disco Elysium is it portrays political ideologies specifically from a communist point of view- the kind of POV that has been actively, violently suppressed in Western society for decades, resulting in it being confusing and alien to people who are used to politics being shown through only a few, mainstream-approves lenses. That supporters of a political ideology would portray it and its followers in anything but the most idealised light is a completely alien idea to people used to expecting either that or aggressively noncommittal both-sides pablum. Capitalism is explicitly shown to simply outsource its mass killings- and is starting to bring them home to protect the profits.
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Jan 10, 2020 11:27
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The RCM started out as anarchist police. Then they surrendered to the moralintern something close to but not identical to a normal police force. Arguable they also have a lot of elements of the ancap police from the famous comedy sketch. Are the deep ties of the RCM actually tied to the old communist system? Or does the ending have the planned uprising always align with Harry?
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Jan 10, 2020 11:32
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VictualSquid posted:The RCM started out as anarchist police. Then they surrendered to the moralintern something close to but not identical to a normal police force. Arguable they also have a lot of elements of the ancap police from the famous comedy sketch. The implications of RCM's possible communist roots don't change, though the reason they think Harry will be on their side differs. I know that Fascism results in a remark of 'He'll do it for Revachol', and I'm curious what moralism gets you.
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Jan 10, 2020 12:42
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Greaseman posted:The implications of RCM's possible communist roots don't change, though the reason they think Harry will be on their side differs. I know that Fascism results in a remark of 'He'll do it for Revachol', and I'm curious what moralism gets you. Actually most LPers seem to go Moralist, unless they find communism funny.
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Jan 10, 2020 13:25
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VictualSquid posted:Moralist version: He'll side with the RCM. iirc. That's crazy to me. Going communist feels so natural in this game, and the most appropriate thematically.
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Jan 10, 2020 14:42
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Imhotep posted:Oh ok, good. I was gonna add that how much you like the game also probably depends on how much you like communism. I mean, I don't like communism much at all (dad defected from Communist Romania), but I still love this game, and it even made me more sympathetic to the sentiment, if not the execution, of communism.
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Jan 10, 2020 15:02
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DE also brings up the nuance that American media loves to bury that Soviet communism was just one approach that failed miserably and that doesn't mean socialism/communism is inherently bad.
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Jan 10, 2020 15:18
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Dias posted:I'm slowly buying into my "Disco Elysium endorses Anarchism" silly theory more and more. Cindy the SKULL is an anarchist, she sits on a ledge painting graffiti and yells at cops and rich people.
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Jan 10, 2020 15:28
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I think a lot of people also view DE through the lens of American politics, when it seems much more a reflection not just on contemporary politics, but also Eastern European history. I mean, the history of Revachol IS the history of a lot of Eastern Europe--monarchies toppled by revolutions and/or invaded by foreign countries, giving way to neoliberalism and all its attendant results. A very real conflict between Fascism, Communism, Liberalism, with centrism mindlessly aiding and abetting whatever the existing power structure is. The legacies of all of those live in the lives of everyday citizens, and the battleground of ideologies in Harry is a mirror of the battleground of his country. I think as Americans, living in a predominantly capitalist country where communism and fascism were/are more abstract than they were in Europe, we may miss some of the depth of its critique. But every physical thing in Revachol, from the pockmarks of bullets to the union to the businesses rising and falling to the abandoned Church, is a manifestation of that conflict of ideologies.
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Jan 10, 2020 15:44
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Also the MoralIntern seems like a kind of amalgamation of the EU and the US. All the boring bureaucracy of the EU with the crushing imperial capitalism of the US.
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Jan 10, 2020 15:50
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Accordion Man posted:DE also brings up the nuance that American media loves to bury that Soviet communism was just one approach that failed miserably and that doesn't mean socialism/communism is inherently bad. I don't know much about communism, but has chinese communism fared any better?
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Jan 10, 2020 15:51
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TommyGun85 posted:I don't know much about communism, but has chinese communism fared any better? China calls itself communist, but it’s highly debatable how much it deserves to call itself that these days. It has a centrally planned economy and is highly authoritarian, but that’s kinda it, and authoritarianism =/= communism.
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Jan 10, 2020 16:29
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TommyGun85 posted:I don't know much about communism, but has chinese communism fared any better? it depends on who you ask. put 10 marxists in a room and ask them about china and you'll get 11 answers. imo china is a degenerated workers state, much like the ussr became towards the end. the prc attempted to use a sort of mixed system of central planning with decentralized experimentation, essentially engaging in state capitalism with the goal of bootstrapping their economy. and it worked, but i reckon that the bureaucrats now act in their own interests and no longer represent the workers. if a millionaire gets caught loving with the money they'll straight up execute them, so they're just mostly good at not getting caught
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Jan 10, 2020 16:53
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A lot of things that are portrayed sympathically in the game are quite socialist, also. The Hardie boys are portrayed as very loyal to the community and they're working men who act as community police in spite of the state. For all of Evrart's corruption, the drive to enhance the Union's position is also portrayed sympathetically. On the flipside, the scabs are treated with basically only contempt and that's simply because they want to strikebreak and they want to work for a pittance instead of unionising. It's a critique of communism too but any leftist who isn't a tankie will agree with the game more often that they disagree with it. e; and yes, someone mentioned this but I got a bunch of anarchist vibes at many points in the game, too.
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Jan 10, 2020 17:28
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dex_sda posted:A lot of things that are portrayed sympathically in the game are quite socialist, also. The Hardie boys are portrayed as very loyal to the community and they're working men who act as community police in spite of the state. For all of Evrart's corruption, the drive to enhance the Union's position is also portrayed sympathetically. On the flipside, the scabs are treated with basically only contempt and that's simply because they want to strikebreak and they want to work for a pittance instead of unionising. If Thomas Pynchon ever wrote a game, this would be it.
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Jan 10, 2020 18:07
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The thing is about Disco Elysium is it portrays political ideologies specifically from a communist point of view Not communist so much as historically materialist, i.e. it portrays social organisation as dialectally driven by material conditions. This is personified in the Innocentic system - The Perikarnassian symbolised the ancient mode of production, Franconegro represented the feudal order and Dolores Dei ushered in globalist bourgeois capitalism by opening up foreign markets and resettling shitloads of people to where they were economically productive. The absence of a prominent Innocence since her indicates how the superideology of capitalism has desacralized society and rendered the Founding Party (not-Catholic church) itself irrelevant. Accordion Man posted:DE also brings up the nuance that American media loves to bury that Soviet communism was just one approach that failed miserably and that doesn't mean socialism/communism is inherently bad. As someone who identifies as a national socialist, I agree with this sentiment. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 10, 2020 19:31
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yah, the the game is pretty much marxist realism made vidya. not really communist or anarchist in any meaningful way, but social critical af e: mazovian-economical thought just made you a very analytical sad boy, after all Nosfereefer fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 20:24
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Karpaw posted:(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) lol, a -1 Morale out in the open
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Jan 10, 2020 20:58
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Karpaw posted:As someone who identifies as a national socialist, I agree with this sentiment. The posting equivalent of trying to get the tie off the fan and dying.
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