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Yoda dies on purpose just to make Luke feel bad because he's a passive-aggressive little poo poo
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Ingmar terdman posted:Pretty cool that the titles of the sequels are pretty much interchangeable Can you find a permutation of the original six that makes sense? My attempt: 1: A New Hope 2: Return of the Jedi 3: Attack of the Clones 4: The Phantom Menace 5: Revenge of the Sith 6: The Empire Strikes Back
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Ingmar terdman posted:Pretty cool that the titles of the sequels are pretty much interchangeable In fairness, so are the first 3. Same with the next 3, provided you don't put AotC first.
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Jan 10, 2020 05:44
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Ingmar terdman posted:Pretty cool that the titles of the sequels are pretty much interchangeable I do indeed keep thinking Revenge of the Sith first whenever I see "ROS"
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Jan 10, 2020 05:49
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Episode 1: Attack of the Drones Episode 2: Attack of the Clones Episode 3: Sheev on the Throne Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 05:50
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Empire Strikes Back A New Hope Revenge of the Sith Force Awakens Last Jedi Attack of the Clones Phantom Menace
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Jan 10, 2020 05:54
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The prequels have the least interchangeable titles I think. The Phantom Menace could be any one, or Revenge Of The Sith could at a stretch, though as a reference to Return Of The Jedi it's best suited where it is, but Attack Of The Clones could really only be episode 2, because of the joke that the title ends up referring to what the heroes do. I guess it could be episode 3 as well, because one of the major events of the plot is the Jedi being attacked by the clones
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Jan 10, 2020 05:54
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Phantom Menace works for 3, too. Order 66 itself is a Phantom Menace.
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Jan 10, 2020 05:58
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Episode 1: The Rise Of Skywalker Episode 2: A New Hope Episode 3: The Force Awakens Episode 4: The Empire Strikes Back Episode 5: Revenge Of The Sith Episode 6: The Last Jedi Episode 7: Attack Of The Clones Episode 8: Return Of The Jedi Episode 9: The Phantom Menace
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Jan 10, 2020 05:58
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Return of the Jedi works as Episode 2 because it's saying that those Jedi you know and love from the first movie? They're back, baby.
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Jan 10, 2020 06:05
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Episode 1 The Phantom Menace Episode 2 The Last Jedi Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith Episode 4 The Force Awakens Episode 5 Rise of the Skywalker Episode 6 Attack of the Clones Episode 7 The Return of the Jedi Episode 8 The Empire Strikes Back Episode 9 A New Hope I went for a similar idea as above, youd have a long arc of the Jedi being a hope, extinguished, and then triumphantly return
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Jan 10, 2020 06:07
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NotJustANumber99 posted:So what? So, for starters, this is dramatically different from what happens in Episode 6. In the popular Throne Room sequence, Palpatine and Vader are both engaged in this merciless critique of Luke’s Republican ideology: Palpatine is correctly pointing out that the Jedi have always been servants of darkness, while Vader pushes Luke towards the authentic light side. This is often misread as a battle over Vader’s soul when, actually, Luke is being torn between Christ and the Devil while they literally stand over him. The reason for this misreading is that fans don’t understand Luke and the Rebels are sinful. Luke is considered just axiomatically good because he’s the protagonist, while the ugly old guy is obviously yucky and evil. Clearly, it’s easy for Luke to reject Satan - and he does, right? But then, the issue is that Luke and the fans reject Christ as well. The conventional stance is that Christ deserved to die for not supporting the creation of the New Republic (a conclusion that eventually leads to Luke trying to murder his nephew). Anyways, in Episode 9, Rey is faced with an entirely different dilemma. Where Luke is unable to truly defeat Satan because he is too attached to wishy-washy centrism, Rey is drawn straight to evil time and time again - to the point that she starts to feel guilty about it. Because, you know, Rey has no beef with the late Emperor. She was living in poverty under the New Republic, then briefly fought Snoke and Kylo.
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Jan 10, 2020 07:44
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Emperor Palpatine hosed. Just imagine that.
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Jan 10, 2020 12:23
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Freakazoid_ posted:Emperor Palpatine hosed. Why imagine! With VR you could live through it! You can either be Palpatine or his partner! You can buy lootboxes which could contain condoms allowing you to prevent the ST from happening.
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Jan 10, 2020 12:29
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All politicians gently caress.
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Jan 10, 2020 12:30
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sassassin posted:All politicians gently caress. Six words for you: Senator Jar Jar Binks Sex Scandal
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Jan 10, 2020 12:38
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:So, for starters, this is dramatically different from what happens in Episode 6. Hmmm, theres some interesting stuff here and I understand bits and pieces of it but when I try to evaluate it all at once my head hurts and I get quite cross. The whole trilogy feels a bit like rey is on her gap year and now shes got it all out of her system.
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Jan 10, 2020 12:47
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Detective No. 27 posted:Rise of the Skywalker is so devoid of substance that we're already back to Prequel chat. Yeah, the Death Star Destroyers falling out of the sky on various planets with cheering Ewoks in the foreground is a reference to Independence Day, except it doesn't make any sense why they would 1) fall out of the sky, and 2) why Ewoks would cheer instead of going "not this poo poo again".
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Jan 10, 2020 13:20
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Palpatine also genuinely seemed to want to help Anakin too. Maybe he did.
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Jan 10, 2020 13:32
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No Mods No Masters posted:Grilling pablo in a police interrogation room in excruciating detail over whether and to what extent fortnite is canon I think like 90 percent of the Pabloposting in this thread is from you. You OK man?
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Barudak posted:Six words for you: Senator Jar Jar Binks Sex Scandal I mean why else do you think they keep him around? 
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Hmmm, theres some interesting stuff here and I understand bits and pieces of it but when I try to evaluate it all at once my head hurts and I get quite cross. To put things straightforwardly: what happened to Palpatine’s “spirit”? Was it obliterated, or did it become omnipresent? Ultimately, did it enter Rey? These questions are important, because they amount to asking who controls the Galaxy now? The First Order is destroyed, offscreen, by “people”. Which people? And now what? Between the point where Palpatine asks to be killed, and the point where Rey kills him - long before that point, even - we get a baffling series of twists and reversals, deaths and resurrections. The main thing is that Rey dies taking out Palpatine, and then Ben (who is also seemingly ‘possessed’ by Leia’s mind) sacrifices himself (and what’s left of Leia) to bring Rey back from the dead. This leads to an enormous amount of ambiguity: -Leia’s final death can be read as a self-sacrifice, her finally letting go of the Republican ideology. The Alliance dies with her, and something new can emerge. -Alternately, but along those same lines, it’s possible Ben sacrifices himself in order to finally free himself of Leia’s influence. -Throughout the film, there’s an implication that Ben is an ‘alternate personality’ of Rey’s (hence how the sword can instantly ‘jump’ from Rey’s hand to Kylo’s). In this case, things are much more muddled. Like, Ben sacrifices himself to free Rey from his influence - but what does Ben even stand for at this point in the story? He throws away the sword, as Luke does, but then gets a blue sword and uses it to kill the Knights. -Alternately, again, it’s possible that Rey is in Ben’s head and therefore Ben’s ‘death’ really means that he now fully identifies with the Rey personality (similar to how, in Syberberg’s Parsifal, Parsifal transforms into a woman partway through the opera). It’s really a mess, but the fact that there are so many contradictory meanings opens of a space of pure meaninglessness.
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Rey was dead and probably about to be resurrected as evil Palpatine, but then Ben kissed his goodness into her which defeated the evil spirit. Because she contains Ben's good spirit and Palpatine's evil one, Rey has now achieved true balance- as symbolized by the colour yellow
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Jan 10, 2020 21:54
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Ben definitely kissed palpatine and liked it. He liked it so much it gave him an aneurysm
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Jan 10, 2020 21:57
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in star wars if you think of sex you die
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:To put things straightforwardly: what happened to Palpatine’s “spirit”? Was it obliterated, or did it become omnipresent? Ultimately, did it enter Rey? If they weren't cowards they would make Episode 10 about the force ghost of Sheev ghost-maneuvering back into power on some backwater, hiding the fact he's a ghost when he needs to by using the force to move a lovely puppet around instead. At the end of the movie he turns to the audience is tells us that no one is ever really gone
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Neo Rasa posted:I mean why else do you think they keep him around? Anakin, staring at the distance, nothing can remove him from his Vietnam flashback.
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2house2fly posted:Rey was dead and probably about to be resurrected as evil Palpatine, but then Ben kissed his goodness into her which defeated the evil spirit. Because she contains Ben's good spirit and Palpatine's evil one, Rey has now achieved true balance- as symbolized by the colour yellow BUt yellow is a primary colour? SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s really a mess, but the fact that there are so many contradictory meanings opens of a space of pure meaninglessness. Thank you for writing this bit. It means I can have a crack at all the rest and not have to worry that I was meant to be coming to some sort of epiphany at the end of it. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 22:25
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL9OndTfhno
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Barudak posted:Six words for you: Senator Jar Jar Binks Sex Scandal There was also that fat Twi'Lek senator with sexy droids. MonsieurChoc fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 23:08
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I really wish people would include a summary for youtube links
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McCloud posted:I really wish people would include a summary for youtube links I really wish people would include a bit of a summary in their post about why they wished that people would post a summary for youtube links lol joke although I dont know why you're cross
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I watched that video already and it's good, but when someone's sending a 10 minute video you do generally want to know what it is so that you don't waste any more time than necessary if the reason they posted it is because they think it's crap or something like that. (Although this is worse when it's like an hour long essay someone's sending and you won't know if they sent it because it makes a good point or if it's brainmeltingly stupid.)
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I really wish people would include a bit of a summary in their post about why they wished that people would post a summary for youtube links Well that's because I'm an rear end with an attitude problem  I was just mildly peeved, I probably came across as more cranky than I meant to, to be fair. It's a bit of a pet peeve I have when people link to long videos without any real explanation to what it is they're linking. Just clicking on that clip, and the approximate 11 seconds I spent watching it it's an 11 minute clip of two old white dudes talking about ROS. Why is it interesting? Why did s/he think to link it? Is it relevant to the discussion or is it a segue into a new topic? Honestly, I didn't mean to be a dick about that, so thanks for calling me out on it. I'll think about phrasing next time so I don't come off as a total pillock
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McCloud posted:Well that's because I'm an rear end with an attitude problem Yeah totally fair enough. I'm a Uker so I knew who the dudes were straight away so I knew what it was. I've totally rolled my eyes at youtubes that i haven't got a clue wtf too. The key point of that video I guess was once Kermode, the critic, had savaged the movie a bit, the host then read out an email from a lass who had lost her father and how much star wars meant and all that stuff. And he handled it kind of OK and said well yeah it turns out even totally shite cinema can mean things to people. But in a nice way.
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Cinema Discusso > Star Wars: Even totally shite cinema can mean things to people
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Darko posted:
wow you failed to understand the movie completely. yoda never sends luke to kill or destroy vader, only confront him and his last bit of training for luke was literally for him to confront vader without his weapon and using his weapon showed him a vision of himself as vader, a lesson of compassion. also for a pacifist luke kills a fuckload of people love almost turns luke to the dark side luke's redemption(and entire story arc from empire to jedi) is about faith, not love or connecting with family
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I always like this notion of the prequel Jedi having misunderstood the force, and letting years of monk like rules and bureaucracy cloud their judgement, leading to their own downfall. They show such a different and conflicting depiction of the force and Jedi Values than in the original trilogy, such as eschewing family and endorsing war, that it fits so nicely. But man, is it hard to believe that it was explicitly intentional when the films don't really do much to imply it at all except for conclusions reached by fans reading into detail. Sure, it doesn't need to whack you over the head with it, but from memory there's really nothing direct - the Jedi are always shown as the 'good guys' being manipulated by the big bad guy. I mean casually watching it's almost as if you should agree with the Jedi teachings - if Anakin didn't fall in love then he wouldn't be Vader - problem solved. And if magically mystery Voodoo man hadn't pulled the wool over everyone's eyes things would still be fine.
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Isometric Bacon posted:I always like this notion of the prequel Jedi having misunderstood the force, and letting years of monk like rules and bureaucracy cloud their judgement, leading to their own downfall. it's not that he falls in love as anakin says love is encouraged, it's the attachment the need to try and prevent himself from being hurt that causes him to fall to the dark side, the jedi are wrong because instead of teaching themselves and their students that negative emotions are normal and can be dealt with they push a strict dogma out of fear
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Isometric Bacon posted:I always like this notion of the prequel Jedi having misunderstood the force, and letting years of monk like rules and bureaucracy cloud their judgement, leading to their own downfall. In Phantom Menace the Jedi are explicitly not “good guys” . The whole scene at Schmis House with Anakin is on the nose. Anakin says the Jedi are here to free the slaves and Qui Gon was “no we aren’t actually good guys”.
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