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Drakyn posted:And if that thing IS what he's looking for, here it is in all its gory. yeah that really makes it clear Gygax umm had very 'interesting' takes on morality. It's just interesting watching the way he does that bullshit "hey, that's just the way the game is set up. I'm not gonna argue real world morality, but here's an example from the real world..." but good on him at least agreeing forcing "gotcha" falls from grace on paladins is dumb from a game perspective like I'm all for saying "Hey murder hobo doesn't match with real life, please don't try and solve problems the way you would this game doesn't model the real world," but you can't follow that up with "Uh actually in britain they used to torture rapists and leave them to die in public, that's why there were no rapes in britain in medieval times  , so really a swift execution of a genuinely redeemed prisoner is good and nice"
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neonchameleon posted:WEG Star Wars was sometimes surprisingly good - especially the Rebel Special Forces glossary that nicknamed lightsabers the UCT = Universal Cutting Tool. And there's a reason Paranoia is still a thing. For anyone who loves Star Wars but hasn't seen this glossary, it's here.
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Drakyn posted:And if that thing IS what he's looking for, here it is in all its gory. Ah, that explains why I never heard any talk about this in my 3rd ed days. Gygax said it in 2005. 
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One cool thing I've seen in videogames like Shadowrun and FTL is a dynamic soumdtrack - basically a track will play in the background and when combat starts it'll mix in a bunch of extra instruments for a more "urgent" track. Anyone aware of a way to do that in PnP RPGs?
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The easiest way is to find soundtracks like that, with a strong leitmotif, and use them for your background music. Mass Effect might be what you're looking for. (It killed me when I realized that the Presidium themes are different arrangements of the villain's theme, which in Mass Effect is...is...thematic.)
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Jan 10, 2020 17:38
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My DM has a couple of playlists for adventure/downtime/combat/etc that he flips between, I think. I'm not sure where he gets the material from, but I can ask if you'd like.
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Gort posted:One cool thing I've seen in videogames like Shadowrun and FTL is a dynamic soumdtrack - basically a track will play in the background and when combat starts it'll mix in a bunch of extra instruments for a more "urgent" track. You could use ambient-mixer for some sounds like that, which lets you dynamically turn on and off different channels https://other-atmospheres.ambient-mixer.com/dungeon-atmosphere They don't really have battle music afaik though I just have a playlist and manually swap songs, and have a bunch of like videogame fight music that loops endlessly. But yeah that'd be nifty.
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Gort posted:One cool thing I've seen in videogames like Shadowrun and FTL is a dynamic soumdtrack - basically a track will play in the background and when combat starts it'll mix in a bunch of extra instruments for a more "urgent" track. I'm a big fan of Tabletop Audio (https://tabletopaudio.com/). I'll play an ambient track in one browser tab and have the soundboard open in another. Turn on the action, suspense, etc. as needed.
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Hello fellow dorks My friends and I have been playing a fantastic little descent-into-Hell called Kingdom Death: Monster that is basically Boss Fights: The Board Game. Is there a thread for this game, or at least one in which it would be appropriate to discuss it?
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Heath posted:Hello fellow dorks oh you're in for a treat here The core game might be decent, but there's a bunch of weird edgelord expansions and extra minis like tentacle rape demons and their pregnant drones, and other very detailed titty figures I actually didn't know about the less gross stuff until my friends started a campaign of the core game, my first exposure was SA reviews of the incredibly horny minis
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I'm aware of the weird minis, and we don't use those. We're not really tabletop gamers, so our poo poo isn't even painted. Our campaigns have been mostly naming characters after foods, and every campaign has a Kenny, a character who dies and is replaced by another character (so Kenny dies, we reroll Kenny II, then III, and soforth) We have no intention of having pregnant warrioresses on the board at any point
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Skeeziness aside, KD just isn't that good a game. There's a lot of "huh huh you ate poop, lose your turn" which is not fun. There's no skill or planning involved in save or die. It's not a good Monster Hunter ripoff, and it's not sufficiently novel to stand as its own entity apart from being a vehicle for titty miniatures. If you guys are into dungeon crawling adventures, Gloomhaven is the current standard. It's pretty good! There's basically a campaign-structured dungeon crawler for any kind of taste these days. What about KD is really speaking to you?
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We tried Gloomhaven and didn't get into it. I was just wondering if there's a KDM thread.
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There is not, and it is unlikely there ever will be.
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i bought it just so i could jerk off to the rape/titties (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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We've been playing it pretty much every weekend for over a year and there hasn't been anything even approaching a rape in it. The game's a lot more weird than porny, and as far as I know the pregnant/nude figurines aren't even actually an official part of the game. If all you've ever seen is the custom stuff I could see how you would get the idea that it's some kind of hentai poo poo or whatever, but it really feels more in line with something like Berserk. We bounced off of Gloomhaven because it was way too complicated to set up, and KDM breaks down and sets up pretty easily - we're all job-havers with limited space and we can't all be there every week to keep something that complex going, where with KDM the save-or-die drop-in drop-out nature of it works for us. And the figurines are cool. We've had a lot of fun with it. Like I said, none of us are really tabletop gamers outside of this. I'm not even sure where how my buddy found it, he just bought it and said he wanted to play it one day.
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KDM is weird though I do kinda like the idea of a really weird and deadly setting, so it would be neat to see someone make something similar that isn't as gross
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Heath posted:We've been playing it pretty much every weekend for over a year and there hasn't been anything even approaching a rape in it. The game's a lot more weird than porny, and as far as I know the pregnant/nude figurines aren't even actually an official part of the game. If all you've ever seen is the custom stuff I could see how you would get the idea that it's some kind of hentai poo poo or whatever, but it really feels more in line with something like Berserk. Don't click this https://shop.kingdomdeath.com/collections/sold-out/products/wet-nurse-special  There's a lot of "so and so seeks out the fairest maidens to devour" on a lot of the monsters, a lot of gross mind break stuff, testicles everywhere, and upcoming monsters like the the bee lady and mosquito lady and a lot of overt dick designs everywhere. I'm less bothered by the cheesecake models than I am the actual in game stuff which makes HR Giger look subtle.
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Halloween Jack posted:The easiest way is to find soundtracks like that, with a strong leitmotif, and use them for your background music. Mass Effect might be what you're looking for. (It killed me when I realized that the Presidium themes are different arrangements of the villain's theme, which in Mass Effect is...is...thematic.) I never noticed that, holy poo poo.
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mango sentinel posted:Don't click this https://shop.kingdomdeath.com/collections/sold-out/products/wet-nurse-special I dunno, this stuff doesn't bother me. It's sexual, but it's not sexy. It's supposed to be a mindfuck horror setting, and insanity is mixed up with sexuality as much as any other part of the human psyche. It's eerie and gross. (Also I like Giger a lot.) Like maybe someone out there is jacking it to this, but that's their cross to bear. This kind of monster has the same weirdness appeal as Shin Megami Tensei's Satan or Mara.  And the testicles everywhere are funny. I make it my personal mission to punch the White Lion's testicles off at least once per campaign. Heath fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Yeah but they also have cheesecake too. I mean this is a little like if warhammer quest had the eldar rape diorama as 1st party kit, and even makes some of the old slaanesh stuff like titty horses look tame.
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Outside of a couple of the character models being very cheesecakey, nothing like rape or sexual violence has ever come up in the game as we've been playing it. And yeah it's weird, but that's kind of the point of it. As for the game itself, we've had a lot of fun with it just because of the absolutely absurd stories that come out of it. We spent a long time building up a character to complete a sort of "Bingo card" of buffs that ascended her to a special status and gave her the ability to "consume" another character's disability, heal them of it, and power herself up. Which is a big deal in the game because impairments can render an otherwise powerful character utterly useless. We had two people left fighting this monster and when I read the card further I realized that I had to consume an impairment before the end of combat or the character would die. The monster was one or two hits away from dying. So we had to very carefully strategize it so that the other remaining character would get hyper-aged by the monster (a time twisting Phoenix) into a disability so I could eat it off of him and then kill the monster. Instead the monster killed him entirely and I killed the monster, won the fight, and the cool thing we got killed her too.  It's a stupid fun game if you don't take it seriously.
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One of my friends picked up KDM and subjected us all to it. The recurring thought I had the entire four hours we played it (and killed like, two monsters the whole time) was that it would be much more interesting and playable as a single player $40-$60 computer game a la King of Dragon Pass rather than a $400 board game.
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Heath posted:As for the game itself, we've had a lot of fun with it just because of the absolutely absurd stories that come out of it. If you're having fun, more power to you, but "I enjoy the emergent storytelling that arises from how jank this game is" isn't a ringing endorsement. By those standards, Munchkin is one of the best games I've ever played.
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but anyway more power to you, and it couldn't hurt if say you made an OP about KDM, hell maybe it'll draw out some other folks who like it or are interested, but yeah just in general the TG subforum isn't full of big fans of it.
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TheArchimage posted:One of my friends picked up KDM and subjected us all to it. The recurring thought I had the entire four hours we played it (and killed like, two monsters the whole time) was that it would be much more interesting and playable as a single player $40-$60 computer game a la King of Dragon Pass rather than a $400 board game.
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Gobbeldygook posted:This conversation is about a four hundred dollar game? Jesus loving christ. Looking at what comes in the box I understand how they got to that price, but even this thread's biggest proponent is not exactly singing it's praises. I'll preface this by saying I didn't pay for it. But the models are humongous, super detailed, and very cool. I don't think this one is part of the base set, but it's one my friend has built (this one isn't his, just an example) https://www.instagram.com/p/ByD02E_iL2Z/?igshid=dtcu16uemras It stands probably a foot tall and even wider than that, and a lot of the details are pretty phenomenal. There's a man's face inside of the chest that you can kind of see in the photo. here's the Phoenix, probably my favorite one. It's got an old man face inside of its mouth, where the long tendrils form his mustache, and the tiny hands all over it are creepy as poo poo. The level of detail is really astounding. You're really buying $400 worth of figurines, and you get quite a bit in the base set, although I can't remember off the top of my head what comes in it by default since he mixed in a couple of expansion monsters early on (the Phoenix may be one such, I don't remember.)
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Man no wonder the Kingdom Death thread was full of people being so insistently defensive about it, with $400 of sunk cost fallacy lmao
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I think it was a lot less during the kickstarter, but it certainly wasn't less than $200. Four hundo is what it costs to buy now.
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Heath posted:Outside of a couple of the character models being very cheesecakey, nothing like rape or sexual violence has ever come up in the game as we've been playing it. Heath posted:It's sexual, but it's not sexy. “How about the rape, death, kingdom, and rape? That’s not got much rape in it.” Fine, so that’s just sexualized violence, whatever. Please shut up about KDM.
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Antivehicular posted:Is that the same lion described as having a "ding-dong" One of the cards reads "You hit the lion right in the ding-dong," which if you crit it you can get the nuts as a resource for building items. Monokeros deAstris posted:“How about the rape, death, kingdom, and rape? That’s not got much rape in it.” Fine, so that’s just sexualized violence, whatever. Please shut up about KDM. I'm talking about a game I like in the game chat thread and responding to questions about it. There's no need for that.
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Heath posted:You're really buying $400 worth of figurines, and you get quite a bit in the base set, although I can't remember off the top of my head what comes in it by default since he mixed in a couple of expansion monsters early on (the Phoenix may be one such, I don't remember.)  Tabletop gaming can be very  , I understand that. Board games are now breaking the $100 barrier. But some of the models look like this To my unseasoned eye it looks a rather nice model, but it's also so bizarrely specific that it's just going to be a placeholder in any other tabletop game. The play experience you shared is that you misread the rules which subsequently forced you to play a combat in an interesting and unexpected way and this was fun for you. This is a four hundred dollar game.
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Gobbeldygook posted:
I didn't misread the rules, I didn't know what the power did until I got it. The downside was a surprise, and we had to strategize around that. It didn't work, but we lost in an amusing way. I don't know what you're implying by ragging on the price tag. We've been playing the game for over a year and haven't even seen a lot of the content of it, but it's still fun, we're still discovering new things in it, and we enjoy building and looking at the weird models and laughing about the insane poo poo that happens to us. My friend is the one who bought it, he loves to "DM" the game and feels like he got his money's worth. What's the criticism here, exactly? Is my dollar:fun ratio not adding up for you guys, on this forum for talking about other obscenely expensive games like Warhammer? I don't post in this forum and I came here to find out if there was a thread for a game I enjoy, asked about it, and the first response was that I should be playing Gloomhaven instead, then the implication that I'm a weird pervert for playing the game, that the game sucks because it's expensive, and then the dude above telling me to shut up about it because he doesn't like the game. I don't know what the original thread was like but it must have been bad. It feels like I walked into a Games Workshop and all the employees scoffed at me for asking about some inferior product.
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Sorry we all don’t like the sexualized violence game enough for your taste, friend.
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I mostly lurk these days so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but it looks like the problem is right here:Heath posted:I don't post in this forum Which isn't a bad thing in and of itself! In general folks here are happy to talk about mechanics, design, aesthetics, themes, etc. etc. of various games. With KD:M specifically though, you wandered into a group of people who've had this exact debate about this exact game and the output of its creators over and over again for years now. You're new to the sub-forum so you obviously wouldn't be aware of the topic's history, but doubling down on it in this thread isn't really going to make much headway with any of the long time posters. Between the costs, the visceral reaction a lot of us have to the studio's other output for the game, and the simple fact most of us are looking for very, very different things in our board games than what KD:M is offering even if it weren't, well, KD:M, you're not gonna find a lot of love for it in the general discussion threads. That said, we certainly have seen fans of it in the past and if you wanted to get a new thread going for the game I'm sure you'd find a few of them that way at least.
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Dulkor posted:. Given the response, no, I'm just going to unfollow this thread and not bother posting here again. I appreciate the politeness, but this has been embarrassing.
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