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'125 of the same scenes.' In a crazy fluke, Rob ALSO had Joey Pants eating a steak and talking to the voice of Megatron but he had envisioned Frank Welker instead.
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Rhyno posted:That was a major part of the column if I recall. I guess it wasn't widely known that Smith turned the role down? I seem to recall Rob having a rep for lying about everything. He was claiming a few years ago that he has his own film universe in the works wasn't he? And then we later found out he doesn't even own his characters anymore. Even with whatever bullshit Terrific Productions is pulling on Youngblood and Liefeld does still legitimately own the rights to a bunch of his other characters, which were the ones in the Netflix deal.
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Edge & Christian posted:Liefeld did legitimately sell the options to a bunch of films in the 1990s when he was hot, and he also was legitimately in a deal with Netflix last year, though he probably lied about many of the meetings/seriousness of the chances of these options properties being made. Things get optioned/sold all of the time and never see the light of day. Gotcha. It's hard to keep track anymore. He's claimed to have sold the option on literally everything he's ever created.
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Jan 10, 2020 19:22
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Rhyno posted:Gotcha. It's hard to keep track anymore. He's claimed to have sold the option on literally everything he's ever created. He almost certainly has sold options on most of things he owns, especially in the early Image days, just the vast majority of things that get optioned also never get made.
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Splint Chesthair posted:Just going on the whole Agent America thing, Rob understands IP law about as well as he understands podiatry. 
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Dawgstar posted:
Shocked to find that Rob Liefeld thinks the golden age of comics started with the ones he grew up reading and ended when he wasn't making as much money from his comics as he used to.
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Lamuella posted:Shocked to find that Rob Liefeld thinks the golden age of comics started with the ones he grew up reading and ended when he wasn't making as much money from his comics as he used to. quote:Comics as art began
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Totbot posted:As someone who really only got into reading comics like 6 years ago and has no real nostalgia for any era, I feel like his point is the 100% opposite of reality.
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Nessus posted:See personally I would appreciate more density if I was still buying singles. Otherwise it's like, what the gently caress did I just spend 3/4 bucks for, exactly? This reminds me of people counting how many hours video games are to decide if they are worth the money or not. More doesn't always mean better.
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Vince MechMahon posted:This reminds me of people counting how many hours video games are to decide if they are worth the money or not. More doesn't always mean better. It's not so much the word count but pacing. Almost every issue of Claremont up until the big crossovers started gave you a complete story with a beginning, middle and end, there'd be continuing threads and two parters of course, but each issue gave you something to chew on.
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Skwirl posted:It's not so much the word count but pacing. Almost every issue of Claremont up until the big crossovers started gave you a complete story with a beginning, middle and end, there'd be continuing threads and two parters of course, but each issue gave you something to chew on. Even then his internal multi-part sagas are remarkably tight and consistent, and even his contributions to loose crossovers like Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants are generally satisfyingly dense stories on an issue-to-issue level. I think the Secret Wars II crossovers are kind of a mess (but which weren't?) and Inferno was a fascinating, engaging disaster, but as far as I'm concerned even the relatively contentious Muir Island stuff later on is mostly compelling.
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So Rob sold all these options and rights and how many of those ended up going I to production?
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Rhyno posted:So Rob sold all these options and rights and how many of those ended up going I to production? Deadpool? This was happening when Fox got X-Men for pennies on the dollar and Sony the same on Spider-Man. McFarlane sold Spawn at the same time (which somehow got a movie before Spider-Man), you don't think studios are also buying the up whatever the number 2 X artist at the time can sell them? Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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I'm pretty sure Marvel owns Deadpool and Rob just gets royalty checks. I'm talking about his Extreme Studios portfolio.
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Rhyno posted:I'm pretty sure Marvel owns Deadpool and Rob just gets royalty checks. I'm talking about his Extreme Studios portfolio. see my edit.
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Skwirl posted:He almost certainly has sold options on most of things he owns, especially in the early Image days, just the vast majority of things that get optioned also never get made. As I understand it, and any goon with better knowledge is free to correct, "option" is an abbreviation of "first option to buy". It isn't selling the movie rights; it's a precursor agreement that sets terms on future sales. So if Universal came to Liefeld wanting to make a movie about Blooddevil: The Man Without Feet, but Fox had already bought the option, then Fox would have first refusal.
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I want to see that film. I'm really just looking for more insight into Rob's claims. He's been spouting off about these films and shows for 20+ years and not a single one has materialized.
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Jedit posted:As I understand it, and any goon with better knowledge is free to correct, "option" is an abbreviation of "first option to buy". It isn't selling the movie rights; it's a precursor agreement that sets terms on future sales. So if Universal came to Liefeld wanting to make a movie about Blooddevil: The Man Without Feet, but Fox had already bought the option, then Fox would have first refusal. It can mean a lot of different things in a lot of different situations, but in your example Fox gave Rob some amount of money thinking they might want to make a Blooddevil movie at some point in the future.
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Some of Rob's stuff has been passed around when the first production company didn't make a movie. I know Prophet has a new studio. Rob was very excited his extremely original idea of a man who time travels was going to not be made into a movie again.
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I'd like to see films based on the Extreme era when he let talented writers and artists take over.
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Rhyno posted:So Rob sold all these options and rights and how many of those ended up going I to production? 
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It just feels unlikely that he made all these deals and nothing came of it.
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Rhyno posted:It just feels unlikely that he made all these deals and nothing came of it. There are a lot of reasons why a project can stall out or collapse that would have had nothing to do with him. He just collected a nice check for the rights before going on his way. I find it entirely believable that somebody like Liefeld would've gotten a lot of things optioned in his career, since his entire time in comics has been during a series of gold rushes on comics IP. The late '90s was a period of such stunning desperation by Hollywood that anybody with a comic reportedly got at least one call from a licensing agent. Wanderer fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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Rhyno posted:It just feels unlikely that he made all these deals and nothing came of it. How many years went by between Sony getting the rights to Spider-Man and Sony actually making a Spider-Man movie? And that's loving Spider-Man. There's probably 100 things that get movie rights sold and never get a movie made for every one that does.
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Skwirl posted:How many years went by between Sony getting the rights to Spider-Man and Sony actually making a Spider-Man movie? And that's loving Spider-Man. There's probably 100 things that get movie rights sold and never get a movie made for every one that does. It's just the whole story about THE MARK and THE MATRIX that makes it seem unlikely. I dunno, maybe because I've soured on the guy over the lats two years. It just sort of smells like more of Rob's usual bullshit.
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Rhyno posted:It's just the whole story about THE MARK and THE MATRIX that makes it seem unlikely. I dunno, maybe because I've soured on the guy over the lats two years. It just sort of smells like more of Rob's usual bullshit. Well, one could see him selling Youngblood as a broad umbrella that also gets you Brigade, Prophet... uh... Troll.... the other team starts with a 'B,' maybe even (God forbid) Bloodwulf. New Men? I think he had something called New Men. I can see him selling things but also embellishing it because Rob's kind of full of himself and also not that much as he claims. Like maybe he counts every single member of Youngblood even though it was a package deal. Although originally I didn't bring up Rob to point and say 'look goons nostalgia' but more just why now in the, as you point out, last two years is he acting like he's getting vinegar in his cereal every morning.
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Options are pretty cheap relative to everything else in Hollywood, and I can definitely imagine people buying up whatever Liefeld made at the peak of his popularity out of a mix of blind speculation and CYA/spite (you don't want a competitor to made a good Youngblood movie after you passed on the option).
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Skwirl posted:How many years went by between Sony getting the rights to Spider-Man and Sony actually making a Spider-Man movie? And that's loving Spider-Man. There's probably 100 things that get movie rights sold and never get a movie made for every one that does. Preacher was in development hell for like 15 years.
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All his Extreme properties are also paper thin copies of DC and Marvel characters which is another thing that might have kept anything from happening. Like anyone is actually going to make a Supreme film.
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I don't know if anyone else remembers Andy Mangels but he used to do a column for like... every fanzine through the 1980s and 1990s where he'd talk about comics being adapted by Hollywood. This is mainly why I believe that Liefeld sold the options to a ton of superhero characters in the 1990s. From a single article in Comics Scene in 1987, Mangels listed the following Marvel/DC properties as being actively optioned/developed in Hollywood: Ant-Man, Batman, Blade, Blackhawk, Captain America, Daredevil, Dr. Strange, Elektra, Fantastic Four, Flash, Green Lantern, Human Target, Iron Man, Luke Cage & Iron Fist, Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD, Sgt. Rock, She-Hulk, Silver Surfer, Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Supergirl, Swamp Thing, Thor (as a sitcom?), Watchmen, Wolverine, X-Men Many of these actually ended up as movies (some of these were proposed sequels/reboots to things like the original Supergirl film), but it took over thirty years for pretty much all of them. The article also mentions film rights being sold for Andy Capp, Cerebus, Crossfire, DNAgents, Elfquest, The Far Side, Judge Dredd, the Rocketeer, the Spirit, the Wizard of Id, and Zippy the Pinhead. Plus weird stuff like Marvel creating a line of superheroes specifically for movies (The Adjuster, The Chameleon, Copperhead: The Legend of Mongrel, Dominique Shade, Once a Hero, The Protector) and Jack Kirby doing something similar for "Empire Entertainment", optioning his creations Dr. Mortalis and the Mindmaster Fast forward a few years and he's running a similar column for Wizard, where in addition to reporting on things that saw the light of day (the Batman film series, Batman the Animated Series, X-Men/Spider-Man cartoons, Judge Dredd, the Mask) he also reports on projects like: The Pulse, a new superhero co-created by Todd McFarlane and Quincy Jones(?) An abandoned Justice League film that had been in development, but had been turned into a -- Booster Gold/Blue Beetle buddy cop film that had been optioned A Spy vs. Spy animated feature Mike Judge's "Camp Wanabarf" live action feature Robin Williams being interested in an adaptation of cartoonist John Callahan's autobiography (which got made in 2018 with Joaquin Phoenix) John Milius and Arnold Schwarzenegger doing Sgt. Rock, but not before Arnold does Total Recall II (an adaptation of "The Minority Report") A Green Hornet movie coming in 1995 poo poo got (and gets) optioned all of the time, but by the time Liefeld (and the rest of that creator-owned hero boom of the 1990s) would have been announcing their options, Wizard stopped paying Mangels to write a column and replaced him with that feature where they just put pictures of movie stars and wrestlers next to comic panels to fantasy cast the Infinity Gauntlet movie that would clearly never happen in a million years. I get that Rob Liefeld is a bullshit artist and Rhyno and others might reflexively not believe a single thing he ever says, they may now doubt that he ever drew a comic book called X-Force, there's no way of knowing. But Hollywood is a ridiculous land of a bunch of bullshit artists who buy bullshit from each other constantly, and hundreds if not thousands of comic books have been optioned or even put into development with nothing concrete to show for it years or decades later. They also successfully make bullshit ripoffs of other popular properties all of the time, so I'm not sure why that would stop Liefeld from getting meetings in Hollywood. Bendis did a whole comic about his own experience with the Torso movie that still hasn't come out, and that comic is now twenty years old. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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Edge & Christian posted:Thor (as a sitcom?) In fact, that's Thor's catchphrase.
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I just astrally projected into Hell and came back with parts of my soul missing and replaced with new and strange things at the notion of a licensed 1990s Far Side movie.
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Hostile V posted:I just astrally projected into Hell and came back with parts of my soul missing and replaced with new and strange things at the notion of a licensed 1990s Far Side movie. I remember that.
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Hostile V posted:I just astrally projected into Hell and came back with parts of my soul missing and replaced with new and strange things at the notion of a licensed 1990s Far Side movie. There was one or two prime time animated Far Side specials back in the day.
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Davros1 posted:There was one or two prime time animated Far Side specials back in the day.
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It's a shame this isn't twenty years ago when I could have watched a Cerebus... thing just to see what kind of bizarre train wreck it was.
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Double post but lol. https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1216550610377629697
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Please just take it, I'll give you 9.99
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Do we know that's EVS, it's entirely possible it's one of the few people who actually got one and realized their mistake and wanted to get it out of their
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It's definitely not EVS, he has his own publicized eBay account that was called "fascistfrog" up until mid 2017 when someone called him out about it. The only item he has up for sale right now is a signed copy of a Jordan Peterson book. There are a ton of copies of his Indiegogo book up on eBay, and most sold for closer to the asking price, or I assume so; there are a bunch of levels of variant covers, autographs, trading cards, etc. I can't be bothered to look up the original price for.
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