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BrownieVK posted:What's the point of the Series X then? At what point do we get where making games run on the lowest common denominator adversely effects the game? Running games released this year at more than 20 fps.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Running games released this year at more than 20 fps. I got bad news for you champ
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Jan 10, 2020 23:27
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The one X already does that though lol
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Intel&Sebastian posted:What? you don't want to know 30 different things that are now available to buy on video services you don't use just to get to one you do use? american psn is a cursed region, forced to eat crow daily due to it propping up xbox while fortress europe has a more usable store layout and none of whatever that is.
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BrownieVK posted:The one X already does that though lol The One X has a lovely cpu too.
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BrownieVK posted:What's the point of the Series X then? At what point do we get where making games run on the lowest common denominator adversely effects the game? The point of the Series X will be to A) create a user friendly storefront for microsoft that isn't as difficult to manage as the Xbox one, B) to implement ray tracing C) to create a system capable of running 7k resolution. The series X is literally going to be designed for people who are buying the $2-3k TV's, Atmos compliant soundbars, etc. It's so they can use the stuff they payed a ton of money for to its utmost. Nothing is "exclusive" for two years because of Gamepass, if we want to be honest. Since microsoft will be running the Series X on software with that's compatible with the Xbone, there's no reason to force developers to not sell on the XBone or to lower the value of gamepass by making games that can't go on it just as the service is starting to take off and people are actually starting to pay full price for it. Games will be exclusive to the Series X when they hit a techonology point where it's no longer feasible for them to just run on the Xbone (probably when Ray Tracing becomes standard, or some other graphics changes make the cards in the Xbone X completely obsolete). As for the three models thing, they are probably going to be something along the lines of: Sad edition - no cd/dvd drive, download only or possibly even XCloud streaming service only as a very cheap option so they can have the cheapest console of the next generation. Series X normal edition - what we've seen, comes with hard drive and possibly a Blueray drive (although possibly not - blue ray movie sales are in the garbage, and we may hit a point where you can't feasibly compress the files of a modern game onto a blue ray and there isn't really a profit motive to make a bigger non-usb portable storage device). Series X super duper streamer Ninja edition - Streamer ready, will come with a built in recording device and all the other junk necessary for your 14 year old to start his mixer career, just like his favorite e-celeb. All the junk you need to run a stream while gaming so you don't need a separate PC, possibly even dual monitor/tv support so you can manage your chat without a second device. That hits all their goals in terms of price and what they are pushing for the next gen. Finally, as for the 2013 e3 conference - the announcement was handled poorly, but nothing they said or announced in that conference wasn't right. We just weren't ready to accept the digital future of games 7 years ago.
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I'd buy something on the level of the Pro/X but with a decent cpu and a proper ssd if given the chance.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I'd buy something on the level of the Pro/X but with a decent cpu and a proper ssd if given the chance. PS5 out holiday 2020
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Quantum of Phallus posted:PS5 out holiday 2020 If the PS5 is only on the level of the Pro there are going to be a bunch of angry gamers.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I'd buy something on the level of the Pro/X but with a decent cpu and a proper ssd if given the chance. it's called a cheap pc
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I'd buy something on the level of the Pro/X but with a decent cpu and a proper ssd if given the chance. looking at consoles on raw specs is really meaningless, even this stupid $700 super series x is going to be at like 3.5ghz. the base consoles are still running games a 1.7ghz cpu on a pc literally couldnt boot. theyre going to have proper ssds? dunno what you mean unless you mean a user accessible m2 slot or ur worried itll be sata for some reason. dont see what you mean, just buy a pc i guess? TheAnomaly posted:Series X super duper streamer Ninja edition - Streamer ready, will come with a built in recording device and all the other junk necessary for your 14 year old to start his mixer career, just like his favorite e-celeb. All the junk you need to run a stream while gaming so you don't need a separate PC, possibly even dual monitor/tv support so you can manage your chat without a second device. ...thats already what all ps4 and xbones do. all pcs do it as well. on die video stuff for streaming is a standard. you dont need a seperate pc even on pc. people use capture cards and seperate PCs when theyre like, actually earning, until that point its already good enough? no idea what this is even proposing really or who would care about it.
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also series x to run at 8k? absolutely no way will it be running games with modern graphics at 8k native thats like a joke right. its a 4 times increase in the number of pixels lmao
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8K is a marketing buzzword but I still bet we get 8K video game content before we get 8K consumer video content.
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American McGay posted:8K is a marketing buzzword but I still bet we get 8K video game content before we get 8K consumer video content. Nah. Netflix will be doing 8K in a few years no doubt at all. The consumer electronics will need another format to sell cinephiles. Meanwhile the current crop of consoles will be pushing out checkerboard 4K at 30fps
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American McGay posted:8K is a marketing buzzword but I still bet we get 8K video game content before we get 8K consumer video content. a 2080ti can drop frames at 4k and gpu power gains have slowed a lot. native 8k is a 4 times increase over 4k.
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The next consoles will be 8k in the same way the xbox 360 was a 1080p system.Stux posted:looking at consoles on raw specs is really meaningless, even this stupid $700 super series x is going to be at like 3.5ghz. the base consoles are still running games a 1.7ghz cpu on a pc literally couldnt boot. theyre going to have proper ssds? dunno what you mean unless you mean a user accessible m2 slot or ur worried itll be sata for some reason. dont see what you mean, just buy a pc i guess? An ssd that's not crippled by running over usb and whatever bottlenecks the current consoles have.
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American McGay posted:8K is a marketing buzzword but I still bet we get 8K video game content before we get 8K consumer video content. Japan's already had 8K video broadcasting for over a year. The upcoming Olympics will be fully available in 8K there.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:The next consoles will be 8k in the same way the xbox 360 was a 1080p system. theyre both going to be using hard soldered nvme
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Stux posted:theyre both going to be using hard soldered nvme I know, I just don't care about whatever ray tracing 8k stuff they are promising on top of that and I'm not interested in paying a premium for it.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I know, I just don't care about whatever ray tracing 8k stuff they are promising on top of that and I'm not interested in paying a premium for it. once again, have you heard of personal computers
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:once again, have you heard of personal computers Windows sucks.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Windows sucks. 
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Windows sucks. i got more bad news about the xbox for you bro
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Windows sucks. i got the enterprise ltsc version of win 10 now 7 is dead and i still had to edit group policies after to make it not do update pop ups in the middle of the screen lmao
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:i got more bad news about the xbox for you bro I have no preference for the xbox over the ps5 so you can drop these dumb posts.
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American McGay posted:Actually they're just going to keep their PS4s. While Sony has been skipping a lot of events because they have nothing to show (not helped by shutting down so many of their studios) I think that in general, it's going to become more widespread across the industry with less games being released in general. It won't just be Sony showing the exact same game at events for five years before it's released, it'll be everyone. Next gen is going to soak up a lot of resources and we already have big developers who only managed to put out one or two games this console gen, and with the increased work needed for next gen it's going to slow things down even more and become a bigger strain for struggling devs, in my opinion. I think the push to GaaS is only going to exacerbate this, as well. I can see studios ending up at a spot where they have their one game that's continually updated and iterated on, it'll be too much work to keep making sequels every few years. Quantum of Phallus posted:The PS4 dash is also woeful. God forbid you go to the video/tv menu The thing that bugs me about it now (after the patch to finally move all the junk apps into a single folder) is that not every game has a background and is just blue (e.g. Bloodborne and Diablo 3) and ever since Sony changed the section under a game when selecting a tile (why?????????????) most developers don't bother now and it's just left blank, apart from the small section on the left with likes and such. They really screwed up the UI with that change and now it's botched for every game. I like that for The Last of Us for example, when you go down it brings up the background art and the music starts playing, but there's no consistency and the best game on the system ignores it entirely.
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The latest Ryzen mobile parts are pretty impressive. How practical would a 4c/8t Zen 2 APU with graphics power roughly equivalent to an Xbox One S be in a handheld form factor? Is it something that could conceivably exist?
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No idea but apparently Nintendo has a more powerful Switch that they'll be launching this year?
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SUNKOS posted:No idea but apparently Nintendo has a more powerful Switch that they'll be launching this year? Maybe, but there was the same rumour last year too.
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SUNKOS posted:No idea but apparently Nintendo has a more powerful Switch that they'll be launching this year? A high-end Switch is still going to need dedicated ports and is unlikely to stray far from the current architecture of which Nvidia has barely iterated on. A portable XBOX using Ryzen parts would make porting games virtually effortless due to the shared architecture, maybe even completely transparent. It's not something I've seen done since the 90s, when Sega turned the Genesis into a portable (admittedly a disaster). It just seems like the circumstances are lining up for it to happen, while there will undoubtedly be some Series X exclusives the vast majority of games aren't going to need the intense graphical and CPU horsepower of the more powerful consoles to run a game at 720/1080p at around 30-60fps. A portable console that could hit those performance targets, with cross play, cross saves and a massive library at launch would be absolutely awesome. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Maybe, but there was the same rumour last year too. It's the same rumor, they(Japanese reporter) mentioned last year the ”pro” was delayed because Nintendo moved their operations to SEA to get away from Trump tariffs in China. bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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SUNKOS posted:While Sony has been skipping a lot of events because they have nothing to show (not helped by shutting down so many of their studios) I think that in general, it's going to become more widespread across the industry with less games being released in general. It won't just be Sony showing the exact same game at events for five years before it's released, it'll be everyone. Next gen is going to soak up a lot of resources and we already have big developers who only managed to put out one or two games this console gen, and with the increased work needed for next gen it's going to slow things down even more and become a bigger strain for struggling devs, in my opinion. which studios? only ones i remember are the wipout devs and the driveclub devs and they were both like 5 years ago. i think what happened more was that they just showed everything really upfront and early, its not like theres a lack of first party titles from them. in fact its generally one of the most stacked generations in a while for just the pure amount of games.
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Stux posted:which studios? only ones i remember are the wipout devs and the driveclub devs and they were both like 5 years ago. i think what happened more was that they just showed everything really upfront and early, its not like theres a lack of first party titles from them. in fact its generally one of the most stacked generations in a while for just the pure amount of games.
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Yeah gc got the sony version of relegated to kinect games (vr) and shut down
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anybody else looking forward to the real guerilla game's next project
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Multiplayer is a lock for hzd2 so yeah. It was taken out of 1 at the last minute for performance reasons. So yes eth. I am. Tho im worried it will be even more of a farcry clone instead of a mon hun
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SUNKOS posted:While Sony has been skipping a lot of events because they have nothing to show (not helped by shutting down so many of their studios) I think that in general, it's going to become more widespread across the industry with less games being released in general. It won't just be Sony showing the exact same game at events for five years before it's released, it'll be everyone. Next gen is going to soak up a lot of resources and we already have big developers who only managed to put out one or two games this console gen, and with the increased work needed for next gen it's going to slow things down even more and become a bigger strain for struggling devs, in my opinion. Costs are going up, budgets are growing because market expectations are setting a really high standard. More people, more resources, more time. I do think Nintendo could manage to act as a wildcard in this scenario and continue at their own pace, as they tend to not chase the industry so aggressively. They might release a Switch hardware upgrade that doesn't come close to what the next-gen systems can do and potentially lose out ports of the biggest AAA games as a result, landing them in similar territory as the Wii years - not quite as drastic but there will probably be a notable performance difference.
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Real hurthling! posted:Multiplayer is a lock for hzd2 so yeah. It was taken out of 1 at the last minute for performance reasons. If I could get a wish for HZD2, it would be closer to shadow of mordor/war. Like have multiple AI modules (or whatever) that control the region and unique machines, like the captains in the shadow games.
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