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Jan 11, 2020 16:55
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't he working with some right shitheads in his campaign? I think someone upthread said his campaign team was the same one Owen Smith used so it's not exactly a GOOD look if so...
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thespaceinvader posted:I think someone upthread said his campaign team was the same one Owen Smith used so it's not exactly a GOOD look if so... Someone else said he also has people from Corbyn's team, I remember Simon Fletcher I think being mentioned?
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Jan 11, 2020 17:01
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Starmer is currently an enigma - no one's quite sure where on the party spectrum he's going to fall so far, and I'm waiting till the actual campaign to pass judgement on what impact he will have on the party.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:16
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Do CLPs get to select people or are their nominations required in addition to the PLP ones?
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Jan 11, 2020 17:18
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Coohoolin posted:Someone else said he also has people from Corbyn's team, I remember Simon Fletcher I think being mentioned? That was me- I think some people in this thread are getting too caught up in pre-emptively disliking Starmer for betraying the left by not being exactly like Corbyn. Which seems....a reasonable thing to signal in light of the election result? I have to say I've not been hugely impressed by RLB so far, which is a real shame This was from Labour list a couple of days re campaign teamsfwiw quote:As the first contender to have passed the threshold for required nominations, Keir Starmer is easily scooping up votes from the soft left as well as soft Corbynsceptics. This broad church is reflected in his campaign team, too, which comprises key Corbynite figures – Kat Fletcher and Simon Fletcher, who worked on Corbyn’s 2015 leadership campaign – and staffers who backed Owen Smith and Liz Kendall. Jon Lansman and Matt Zarb-Cousin are heading up Rebecca Long-Bailey's team, which means both frontrunners have drawn from the Labour left to make important appointments.
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Niric posted:That was me- I think some people in this thread are getting too caught up in pre-emptively disliking Starmer for betraying the left by not being exactly like Corbyn. Which seems....a reasonable thing to signal in light of the election result? I have to say I've not been hugely impressed by RLB so far, which is a real shame I'm not going to support anyone letting Labour First lunatics anywhere near a position of importance in their campaign. Just nope. I get Labour is a broad church but I draw my line at neoliberals. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Jan 11, 2020 17:22
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mehall posted:This is a bad post. I'm not going to apologise for your lack of taste
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Jan 11, 2020 17:22
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Starmer has said that the party shouldn't oversteer away from Corbyn's policies as a reaction to the election, which sounded quite positive. I don't really know how he's generally voted, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt at the moment. While I would prefer Long-Bailey, I do just have a feeling that Starmer would be more popular in general
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Jan 11, 2020 17:24
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A few ordinary people I know started talking about this and the consensus was that Keir "looks like more of a leader" and "is much stronger" where they think "Rebecca Long Bailey talks down to people" and "She's really crap in interviews." I've also spoken to some Tories who spitefully say they hope Rebecca Long Bailey gets in because they think she'd be crap. That's what it looks like outside of the Labour left bubble.
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Currently feeling that while I’d prefer Long Bailey I wouldn’t be too upset by Starmer.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:31
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Oh great my MP is saying Ash Sarkar should be banned from joining Labour
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Jan 11, 2020 17:31
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OwlFancier posted:Do CLPs get to select people or are their nominations required in addition to the PLP ones? quote:CLP nominations From the official email.
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thespaceinvader posted:From the official email. Yes I got that one and I don't know whether it's saying that those are independent nominations or whether they're confirmatory for the PLP nominations.
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Azza Bamboo posted:A few ordinary people I know started talking about this and the consensus was that Keir "looks like more of a leader" and "is much stronger" where they think "Rebecca Long Bailey talks down to people" and "She's really crap in interviews." I've also spoken to some Tories who spitefully say they hope Rebecca Long Bailey gets in because they think she'd be crap. sounds familiar!
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Pantsmaster Bill posted:Oh great my MP is saying Ash Sarkar should be banned from joining Labour For what reason?
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Jan 11, 2020 17:44
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marktheando posted:For what reason? https://twitter.com/ThangamMP/status/1216029352309248006?s=20 Because she said she's "literally a communist" apparently that means she supports the communist party and therefore shouldn't be allowed as a Labour member. Lol.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:56
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"The" communist party.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:58
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Alertrelic posted:I don't like the way he writes dialogue because its infected everything. Bioware went from BG2 to making glorified pansexual dating simulators. Whedonism was part of this rot. Okay what the gently caress is wrong with "pansexual" first of all? And BG2 was followed by Neverwinter Nights, a fever dream of someone who really wanted to run a D&D campaign online and one of the very best games ever made. Then was Knights of the Old Republic, also not fitting that mold. And then we have Jade Empire, a wushu B-movie, ALSO not fitting that description. Even the first Mass Effect was more Captain Kirk than any influence by Firefly. Bioware's decay started when EA gutted their writing team (because they wanted The Old Republic to be a WoW-killer, and as EA, had no idea about how to manage anything but contracts with franchise holders) and honestly by the time your whining becomes even a little relevant most of their writing team was either TOR or just gone. By the time your description makes any sense, the writing team was filled with fanfic writers, newbies and fanboys/fangirls... because they would work for less in the lovely conditions EA was willing to offer. The management had also gone to poo poo so it's just a bunch of characters being "clever" without any connection to the world around them because there was just nobody capable of making the writers work together. That was well, well after the rot had set in, and the rot was all executive level. So please do try to defend your lovely, lovely post.
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WhatEvil posted:https://twitter.com/ThangamMP/status/1216029352309248006?s=20 amazing
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Gonna start the Trotsykist-Hoxhaist-Erichist Communist Party just for the brand recognition.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:09
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I'm not gonna read it, but why would Thangam Debbonaire have a problem with Ash Sarkar to begin with  She's literally one of the most visible advocates for socialism and the Labour party on the internet for god's sake
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Jan 11, 2020 18:09
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Paperhouse posted:I'm not gonna read it, but why would Thangam Debbonaire have a problem with Ash Sarkar to begin with Thabgam Debbonaire doesn't like socialism.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:11
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https://twitter.com/skeptical7th/status/1216038495837392896 John Mappin remains, somehow, the weirdest person in Cornwall.
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Look at all these people neglecting to add their WOOOAAAAHHHH OHHHHHHHHHs But yes, Thangam sucks and I wish we could get rid of her.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:16
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Jan 11, 2020 18:18
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Tommy used to work on the docks, union's been on strike Which is wrong at a time while negotiations are ongoing
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Jan 11, 2020 18:18
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WhatEvil posted:https://twitter.com/ThangamMP/status/1216029352309248006?s=20 Lol this is well thought through, given the backgrounds of numerous Labour right figures, like Mandelson.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:33
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Jose posted:So apparently Angela Rayner has been blocking people on twitter for asking her not to seek further nominations how could anyone possibly care about this low rent twitter drama?
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Jan 11, 2020 18:34
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forkboy84 posted:If socialism was the right path 5 years ago, 4 years ago, 6 months ago, it's still the right thing today and will still be the right thing in 5 years time. honest q, do you think the british state would allow people to elect socialism
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Jan 11, 2020 18:36
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I mean it's not a great attitude to try and block the rest of the left slate from running...
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Jan 11, 2020 18:37
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Kier constantly looks like he's about to cry and I think he'd probably be rubbish vs bojo Otoh RLB is already written off by pretty much everyone outside this thread Ive talked to and we just had a pretty good lesson in what pretending that doesn't matter gets you imo
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Jan 11, 2020 18:49
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OwlFancier posted:Yes I got that one and I don't know whether it's saying that those are independent nominations or whether they're confirmatory for the PLP nominations. Confirmatory. To be eligible for election a candidate needs to be supported both by enough MPs and enough CLPs. I think union support can be substituted for CLP support.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:50
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Barry Shitpeas posted:I'm finding it difficult to muster much enthusiasm about any of the leadership candidates. I don't want to see the party lurch back to the centre but I feel we have to acknowledge that there are people who need to be won back over and the "continuity Corbyn" tag is already hurting RLB with those people. Maybe in 5 years she can move out of Corbyn's shadow, but if it's going to be 5 more years of sniping and rebellions, it's exhausting. If Starmer can stick to the leftist principles he's been touting then maybe he could do a "reverse Blair" and get the centrists on side with a progressive agenda, but it's difficult to tell where he's really going to land and I don't think he has the right image. So right now I'm just ABP if you think that starmer won't backstab you the second he gets into power you are a rube he's already cosying up to pieces of poo poo like luke akehurst
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You can't coast by on press image, they'll turn on whoever gets elected. Whoever becomes leader is going to have to be able to fight the press and the tories to create a narrative in an extremely hostile environment.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:59
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Maybe pissed-up Thornberry for a few years would be a good thing. It just strikes me how often the way to solve problems is not to do the thing that appears logical at the time :/ I'm talking bollocks.
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OwlFancier posted:You can't coast by on press image, they'll turn on whoever gets elected. Whoever becomes leader is going to have to be able to fight the press and the tories to create a narrative in an extremely hostile environment. honestly I think it depends if you actually fight them - the media has been pushing this leftist insurgents, death of the labour party, struggle for its existence thing for a while. If Labour gets a leader who's willing to go along with that narrative, throws the left under a bus and moves back towards the right I reckon the media will give them a relatively easy ride
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baka kaba posted:honestly I think it depends if you actually fight them - the media has been pushing this leftist insurgents, death of the labour party, struggle for its existence thing for a while. If Labour gets a leader who's willing to go along with that narrative, throws the left under a bus and moves back towards the right I reckon the media will give them a relatively easy ride Well yeah if they get a tory sure they're just gonna treat tory party 1 and tory party 2 as things to play off each other but that's obviously pointless for our purposes.
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Guavanaut posted:Tommy used to work on the docks, union's been on strike I think you're misunderstanding the lyrics. Tommy used to work on the docks, but no longer does so because the union went on strike and they were all laid off. Tommy is, in fact, a comrade.
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