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Epic High Five posted:holy hell that rap sheet lmao I dunno maybe they should have given him one more chance 
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There's always another racist (post).
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I just finished my playthrough, and ooh man was this good. While I loved the game I don't think I'd play through it again with different attributes, it just wouldn't have the same appeal to me as this first playthrough. I'm curious about some of the things I missed. I'll spend some time reading through the thread but in case anyone wants to answer any questions that would be great. Was there much more to the Deserter? It seemed pretty cut and dry that he was the one who shot the mercenary. I was able to find out that he also killed the former union leader. But there was also the fact that the Phasmid was there. I failed the red check approaching it so I don't know if there was any more information to gleam off of it there I also wanted to know more about Klaasje, I was able to get her to point me to Ruby but I didn't arrest her (although I immediately realized that was a bad idea), she ended up leaving before the mercenary showdown which went spectacularly bad for me, I didn't have my gun and wasn't able to difuse the situation. I was wearing armor though and it seemed to protect me from the first shot. In the end most of the Hardie boys didn't make it but I think I might have saved Kim by warning him? I'm not sure Then there's Ruby, I feel like I definitely missed some things here. After encountering her I was able to convince her not to kill herself by letting her go. But she never came up again, I don't know if she was still around and I just didn't find her. And finally the Church: Other than kicking out the dudes trying to setup a drug lab there I never really got any more info on this "hole in the world". Was it connected to anything? I have a feeling it's related to this "pale" thing? I had no idea that this was how this universe worked until the Pines rep told me about it, pretty terrifying stuff but I didn't really get much more into it other than that. edit: Some pages back someone mentioned a dice maker? I never saw anyone like that. Did I miss like an entire section of the map or something? DarkAvenger211 fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Jan 11, 2020 05:34
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Animal-Mother posted:"Who permabanned you?" Communism banned him, but it was fascism that did him in.
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Jan 11, 2020 05:40
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wiegieman posted:Communism banned him, but it was fascism that did him in. Accurate.
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Imhotep posted:There's always another racist (post). The next racist post will be the really good one.
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Jan 11, 2020 06:17
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Conot posted:While I don't know the developers personally, it's worth noting that Estonia as a country does not have a particularly positive view of the Soviets, combined with a deep sense of new found independence having been a subjugated people for most of their existence (both pre and post actual existence as a nation. Yup. It reminds me of Romania, in that respect. Especially in the awkward coexistence of the different eras. In Romania, you can still see Soviet Style apartment housing alongside absurdly modernist mansions.
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Jan 11, 2020 06:32
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It doesn't seem clear where fascism fits into Revanchol's timeline, though it does seem to be a known political stance.
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Jan 11, 2020 06:51
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It doesn't seem clear where fascism fits into Revanchol's timeline, though it does seem to be a known political stance. 1. Pre-revolution Ravenchol is a vaguely fascist / racist monarchy 2. There is a communist revolution. The king smelled it coming and fled to foreign lands. His nephew who takes the throne is killed. 3. Communism is in Ravenchol! But foreign Liberal powers can't abide it, they invade it force and destroy the communist government 4. Ravenchol is now ruled by the foreign moralists and their liberal masters
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DarkAvenger211 posted:I just finished my playthrough, and ooh man was this good. Hoo boy, you missed quite a bit, actually. There's a little more to be learned about the Deserter if you talk to the Phasmid, but mostly it's just an incredibly cathartic and moving scene. Definitely worth trying that check again, since it's so close to the end. It's a lot easier if you agreed to be doused with pheremones earlier. You can't really defuse the situation with the mercenaries, the best you can do is still like four people dying. And you definitely saved Kim by warning him. Klaasje being around doesn't affect that scene, she just hides in her room IIRC. Ruby runs for the hills if you let her go. She never shows up again. There is like a big long quest involving the church that might save the whole city of Revachol, possibly the whole archipelago. Or at least delay the inevitable dissolution into the Pale, which is a huge element of the world that is only revealed if you a) internalize the thought Jamais Vu and b) talk to Joyce about the other topic that will bring everything together. You have to do it without Kim, but you can just ask him to step aside for a minute. This opens up a bunch of new dialog with other people, and is also important for the church questline. Those raver kids are alright, don't be so harsh on them, basically. There is also a big quest in the Doomed Commercial Area that leads to you finding the dicemaker. She gives you a lot of information about the building and the other companies that were there, and will also sell you dice that do various mysterious things. Not fully spoiling it because it's worth seeing some of this stuff for yourself.
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wiegieman posted:Communism banned him, but it was fascism that did him in. goddamn  ----- BTW, I disagree with people who think that the game is too sympathetic to left-wing thinking. Rhetoric's Last Communist speech is so drat good exactly because it doesn't mince words. What's this communism is about? Failure. It is about failure. This is one of the absolute peak moments of vidyagaems writing, ever. But for that to truly happen, and that can be easy to miss if you are leftward, what you totally should do is say the "I can't do this" option, which leads Rhetoric to say "well, that's it, communism is done. Unless anyone raises objections?" Logic and others will chime in justifying no, and then it happens: There is one. Honestly, if we could camp this game up, Volition should have appeared mounted on a horse in complete apotheotic glory like Dolores Dei for this poo poo. You should build communism *precisely* because it is impossible. This. This is the point. Eduardo Galeano, the great Uruguayan author, had a brilliant paragraph about why fight this fight at all. quote:Utopia está en el horizonte. Me acerco dos pasos, ella se aleja dos pasos. Camino diez pasos y el horizonte se corre diez pasos más allá. Por mucho que yo camine, nunca la alcanzaré. Para que sirve la utopia? Para eso sirve: para caminar. quote:Utopia is at the horizon. I walk two steps, she distances herself two steps. I walk ten more, and the horizon runs other ten further away. As much as I walk, I'll never reach it. What utopia is for? It is for this reason: to walk. The very essence of the why is there. "Communism", in the form of the ultimate social Ideal, is truly impossible. However, it is one of those rare ideal aspects that serve a very Actual, Real function: to strive towards a better society, which as a result provides very concrete results. It doesn't matter if it is unreasonable. If it was not an ideal, just some ideological demand, then people would just reset into conservatives when they got something, e.g. "hell yea we got our pay raise because of the strike so now bosses are cool the company is cool the govt is cool". (worth mentioning that there is a small, but significant parcel of workers who think like that anywhere in the world) Disco Elysium defends THAT. It defends the ideal. Both sincerely and full of heart and with lots of humor and wit. Communist Harry has a lol-worthy response about what to do with the Pale when you learn about it: "a powerful adversary that can be only stopped with tremendous communism", or something along these lines. The funnier thing is that he is kinda right. If we are to consider the Pale the immense, completely impossible weight of postmodern history that crushes our lives into a never-ending Now because it robs ourselves of future, the Ideal is exactly what can provide some form of fighting back. It gives a new perspective; fundamentally, a new point of view, where a future is not only possible but viable. Or, consider it thus: if we take some literary liberty and push things a bit more, isn't the Pale the ultimate form of Reaction, the whole of human past coming at us impossibly, robbing us of the present time until it finally drowns us away and finally the very concept of future is done? To become vapor, forever. The best thing? The game hints at the Ideal being the necessary force to do so. I couldn't get the Insulindian Miracle thought description out of my head. I think I finally got it. Problem posted:You were reminded of a poem, somewhere deep inside you, the translation of which you don't remember… "Nulla sarà cambiato della luce!”, it begins. Solution posted:It’s easy. You know the poem by heart because you were taught it at school. It is one of the Volta do Mar mantras repeated on the voyage that lead to the discovery of the Insulindian isola. And the words mean: If you ask Joyce more about it when she talks about the discovery of Insulinde, she mentions that the series of mantras and rites to steel the psyche of the sailors to go through the Pale, the Volta do Mar, were about the process of writing poetry. Think about it for a second. What allowed the sailors to beat back the Pale was to relentlessly, fiercely, with all their heart and soul, repeat sentences about what is perhaps the most idealistic form of artistic expression. Grey and brown, the colors of past, the colors of the memory, all you can read from an old, decomposing book; a past that is drowning everything, but suddenly! A spot of white, the pristine sheet, where creation - something new - can happen. There it is. There is the future. There is the bright new day. This is why you should do it: precisely because it is impossible. ----- Incidentally, the our-history Volta do Mar was the nautical maneuver developed and refined by the Portuguese to beat the Cape of Good Hope and succeed to go around Africa, which before Vasco da Gama, had a gigantic risk because of many days in open sea with no land in sight. And Fernando Pessoa, one of the greatest writers of the 20th century, had a poem about it. Mar Português posted:Ó mar salgado, quanto do teu sal "Portuguese Sea", English translation posted:O salty sea, so much of whose salt
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Mr. Prokosch posted:
The cool thing is that every fascist is different. The lorry driver is just a lazy piece of poo poo with some half assed monarchism and race theory, he just likes the idea of casual cruelty and unearned superiority. He's just a powerless bully. Measurehead has worked extraordinarily hard to perfect his mind and body, and thinks he's at the forefront of new master race. But he is still completely subservient to the mostly white socialist union and his Semenese supremacy means he can't start a popular movement. His ambitions are the whole world, but he will never be anything more than a bruiser or gang leader. Rene is a fossil, and remembers the good old days when Revachol was a glorious world power where the gays are closeted, the foreigners subjugated and the king a cocaine golem. From his point of view, the world went to poo poo and he stayed the same. He gets charity from the socialist union, but still maintains an unbreakable aura of bastardry that fascinated the deserter. Gary is a passive, nonaggressive weenie. He's into obscure historical bullshit on a cultural and aesthetic level. He hides this because he knows it's unpopular and will probably get him beaten up. When he calls Kim Yellow Man he breaks down and rationalizes a new position by invoking how Seolite naval officers stayed loyal to the king, so Kim is one of the good ones. He's almost like a synthesis between Rene's monarchism and Measurehead's science, but in a completely useless package.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:
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Jan 11, 2020 08:02
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Snake Maze posted:You can start and stop internalizing in the middle of a conversation, so just turn it on right before red checks and turn it off outside of that? Xander77 posted:You can in fact stop internalizing a thought at any point and start internalizing it again just before a red check (provided the check isn't hidden, and I don't think red checks ever are?) Thank you both! I think I knew this at one point and forgot it. And, it turns out, changing the save file to give me the precarious world from the start was easy to do.
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I like the idea of Harry interrupting someone in the middle of a conversation and telling them that he needs a few minutes to stop becoming racist.
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Fister Roboto posted:I like the idea of Harry interrupting someone in the middle of a conversation and telling them that he needs a few minutes to stop becoming racist. Remember that you can also use skills points to remove thoughts. "Thank for the important information about this murder, now if you'll excuse me for a moment I have to go forget everything I know about 'advanced race theory'".
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Bravo. Quoting this so I can find it again.
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Man I dont think a game has made me laugh so hard as in my second playthrough where I just waltzed in the middle of Rene and Gastons petanque game, picked up one of the boules and shotputted that sumbitch into the sea
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HerraS posted:Man I dont think a game has made me laugh so far as in my second playthrough where I just waltzed in the middle of Rene and Gastons petanque game, picked up one of the boules and shotputted that sumbitch into the sea Hell I did that on my first
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What was hilarious was that I even held off until my thoughts said "ok you probably need to put the metal ball near the wooden ball" but Physical Instrument was just "I got this fam, YEET!"
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I did that first time without even thinking about it. Even funnier is the payoff when you find a replacement boule as a shot put ball from the nearby failed gym.
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Karpaw posted:Not communist so much as historically materialist, i.e. it portrays social organisation as dialectally driven by material conditions. This is personified in the Innocentic system - The Perikarnassian symbolised the ancient mode of production, Franconegro represented the feudal order and Dolores Dei ushered in globalist bourgeois capitalism by opening up foreign markets and resettling shitloads of people to where they were economically productive. The absence of a prominent Innocence since her indicates how the superideology of capitalism has desacralized society and rendered the Founding Party (not-Catholic church) itself irrelevant. Is this your mug?
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Jan 11, 2020 12:07
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Greaseman posted:The next racist post will be the really good one. Will it grant me three wishes?
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dead gay comedy forums posted:
This is really good.
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Begemot posted:Hoo boy, you missed quite a bit, actually. Hmm so it seems like the big stuff I missed was around the Church and the "Doomed Commercial Area". What place is considered the Doomed Commercial Area? Is it just the spot with the bookstore
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Jan 11, 2020 16:34
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DarkAvenger211 posted:What place is considered the Doomed Commercial Area? Is it just the spot with the bookstore That’s in question. The game asks you to find out. It includes the area with the bookstore though. If it even exists.
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DarkAvenger211 posted:Hmm so it seems like the big stuff I missed was around the Church and the "Doomed Commercial Area". What place is considered the Doomed Commercial Area? Is it just the spot with the bookstore Talking to the phasmid is also super critical. I know why its locked behind a check, but not doing it really feels like you lose on one of the most magical and uplifting moments of the game.
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Hey, so, I'm playing through the game a second time, and I'm stuck on day loving 1. the trigger for kim to offer to pay for the room isn't available, and I can't even offer to pay for it myself I think it's glitched out. I searched the internet for answers, can someone help me?
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DarkAvenger211 posted:Hmm so it seems like the big stuff I missed was around the Church and the "Doomed Commercial Area". What place is considered the Doomed Commercial Area? Is it just the spot with the bookstore Take a look behind the curtain in the bookstore. For the church, be nicer to those aspiring musicians Qwertycoatl fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Why is the Cape of Good Hope so hard to get around, anyway? Can't you just stay within sight of land? Do South African fishermen and people swimming at the beach routinely get swept away into an Antarctic vortex?
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Hey, so, I'm playing through the game a second time, and I'm stuck on day loving 1. the trigger for kim to offer to pay for the room isn't available, and I can't even offer to pay for it myself I think it's glitched out. I searched the internet for answers, can someone help me? What time is it?
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Rosalind posted:What time is it? 2am
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Have you talked to Garte about your room?
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Xander77 posted:Have you talked to Garte about your room? Yes. I have exhausted all dialogue options available to me with that character.
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sometimes, even when a dialogue option is darkened, events in the game can cause new options can appear nested underneath it and theres no way to know without clicking into that dialogue option at a later time to see. i think there should be some indication when this happens, but there isnt
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Helianthus Annuus posted:sometimes, even when a dialogue option is darkened, events in the game can cause new options can appear nested underneath it It is 2 am. I've been to every available npc I can think of, including the pawnshop, evrarte, the capitalist lady, everyone. I think it's glitched. Edit: I even completed the autopsy in its entirety (I believe).
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Animal-Mother posted:Why is the Cape of Good Hope so hard to get around, anyway? Can't you just stay within sight of land? Do South African fishermen and people swimming at the beach routinely get swept away into an Antarctic vortex? before being called the cape of good hope it was called cape of the storms disclaimer: I know jack poo poo about seafaring, I am just remembering stuff from history books so basically most of the coast is rocks, then you have a narrow strait where you are relatively safe from the open sea, however, it is the convergence point of the southern atlantic and indian ocean currents, which frequently causes poo poo like 4m-5m tall waves at speeds around 50km/h one on top of another (that was a google) so it is like get pushed to the open sea and lol you are done or be thrown into the land where most of it is jagged stone
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Unhelpful for your specific situation, but I would suggest always sorting out your sleeping arrangement much earlier in the day. frex, the pawn shop shuts at some point if you were needing to use it. It wouldn't surprise me if a bunch of stuff gets weird in the code at 2am. Keep a few manual saves going to limit frustration.
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