Raskolnikov38 posted:

if we could remotely seize control of an iranian SAM site why haven't we used this power to shoot down their leader's planes whenever they fly anywhere

Lightning Knight posted:

I feel like if there was a reasonable belief that this was because of sabotage and not human error, Iran's government would not have already admitted fault and apologized.

on the flip side, if this was sabotage then lol forever at how much we are assholes

genericnick posted:

Watch Trump lock up the families for breaking Iran sanctions.

""Ukraine PM says state, airline will give money to families of Iran crash victims - Reuters" posted:

He said Ukraine International Airlines would make payments to the families of the crew members who died in the crash. The airline’s spokeswoman was not immediately available for comment. Honcharuk also said Ukrainian diplomats were working on how to receive compensation from the Iranian authorities.

genericnick posted:

I'm sure the CIA didn't take over SAM batteries to mine cryptos, download child porn and shoot down Ukrainian planes. On the other hand, it is not entirely inconceivable that some form of sabotage played a role in the human error. IFF weirdness, radar glitches and overall inconsistent performance, just below the level that you're sure that something really is wrong. If I remember the Stuxnet story correctly, that was the initial plan until someone turned the dials to 11 and exploded the centrifuges.
I kind of have to disagree with the first statement. If I was running the Iranian military and suspected that the air defences are compromised I'd be ready to admit to anything to prevent the US from figuring it out.

Also:

CharlestheHammer posted:

oh there is no way we did this.

if we had this power we wouldn’t blow it on a lovely commercial plane

shrike82 posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1216114135529902081?s=20

shrike82 posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1216114135529902081?s=20

Darkman Fanpage posted:

https://twitter.com/andyob225/status/1214553909152354310

There Are People Who Think the West Invaded Iraq Over a Stargate

my brain is getting bigger

Darkman Fanpage posted:

https://twitter.com/andyob225/status/1214553909152354310

There Are People Who Think the West Invaded Iraq Over a Stargate

my brain is getting bigger

Dante80 posted:

Holy poo poo, this explains everything!

Autism Sneaks posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1216130169477439488?s=19

Dante80 posted:

genericnick posted:

I'm sure the CIA didn't take over SAM batteries to mine cryptos, download child porn and shoot down Ukrainian planes. On the other hand, it is not entirely inconceivable that some form of sabotage played a role in the human error. IFF weirdness, radar glitches and overall inconsistent performance, just below the level that you're sure that something really is wrong. If I remember the Stuxnet story correctly, that was the initial plan until someone turned the dials to 11 and exploded the centrifuges.
I kind of have to disagree with the first statement. If I was running the Iranian military and suspected that the air defences are compromised I'd be ready to admit to anything to prevent the US from figuring it out.

Also:

Paramemetic posted:

hell, same

Jose posted:

such an absolutely massive piece of poo poo. someone permaban him gently caress

Raskolnikov38 posted:

if we could remotely seize control of an iranian SAM site why haven't we used this power to shoot down their leader's planes whenever they fly anywhere

because this capability does not exist

Frijolero posted:

"Democratic Socialism" came to prominence in the 1970s because it gave Liberals a way to be socialist without any of the messy internationalism. It still manifests itself in this way today. Pissy American Liberals opposing the very victims of their own government's imperialism.

quote:

Protesters in Iran are demanding that Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei steps down, after the country's military admitted to accidentally downing a Ukrainian passenger jet, killing all 176 people on board.

Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 crashed shortly after leaving Imam Khomeini International Airport in the Iranian capital of Tehran on Wednesday. It came days after President Donald Trump ordered adrone strike in Iraq to kill Qassem Soleimani, the head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards Quds Force, on January 3, escalating tensions between the countries.

On Saturday afternoon, thousands of people gathered in Tehran's main squares as meetings organized on social media to mourn the dead transformed into protests against the military's mistake, The New York Times reported. Chants in videos seen on social media by the newspaper included "Death to liars!", "Death to the dictator!" and "You have no shame."

An angry crowd in front of Amir Kabir university in the city appeared to chant "Commander-in-chief (Khamenei) resign, resign" in a video, according to Reuters. The news agency said it could not verify the authenticity of the video footage.

A handout photo made available by the Office of the Iranian President shows Iranian president Hassan Rouhani (L) hunting Soleimani's son as he meets with the family of late Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Lieutenant general and commander of the Quds Force Qasem Soleimani at his home in Tehran, Iran, 04 January 2020. The Pentagon announced that Iran's Quds Force leader Qasem Soleimani and Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis were killed on 03 January 2020 following a US airstrike at Baghdad's international airport. The attack comes amid escalating tensions between Tehran and Washington. Top Iranian General Qasem Soleimani killed in US airstrike in Baghdad, Tehran, Iran Islamic Republic Of - 04 Jan 2020

The semi-official Iranian Fars News Agency, which is linked to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, demanded those responsible be held accountable, and said the shortcomings of the country's leaders had made the "tragedy twice as bitter," according to The New York Times.

Earlier in the day, angry Iranians took to social media to ask why civilians had become the victims of their country's "harsh revenge," according to The New York Times. Following the death of the top military commander, Iranian officials pledged to exact vengeance against the U.S.. Last week, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei promised harsh revenge against the "criminals" who killed Soleimani, Reuters reported. The Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations Majid Takht Ravanchi made a similar threat in an interview with CNN last week, as did Abdollah Araghi, a senior commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, on Thursday, The New York Times reported citing Iran's Tasnim news agency.

Freelance journalist Mojtaba Fathi tweeted, according to a translation: "They were supposed to take their harsh revenge against America, not the people."
a close up of a rock: A child's shoe is pictured on January 8, 2020 at the scene of a Ukrainian airliner that crashed shortly after take-off near Imam Khomeini airport in the Iranian capital Tehran. © Getty Images/BORNA GHASSEMI/ISNA/AFP A child's shoe is pictured on January 8, 2020 at the scene of a Ukrainian airliner that crashed shortly after take-off near Imam Khomeini airport in the Iranian capital Tehran.

Iran had initially denied reports that one if its missiles hit the aircraft. But on Thursday, U.S. officials told Newsweek they suspected that Iran's anti-aircraft systems had struck the Ukrainian flight, accidentally killing the passengers and crew on board. Of those killed, 82 were Iranian, 63 were Canadian and 11 were Ukrainian, 10 were Swedish, seven were Afghan, and three were German nationals.

On Saturday morning, Iran's military said, in a statement published by the official IRNA news agency that an investigation had revealed it had in fact downed the Ukrainian passenger jet "unintentionally, due to human error."

It explained its airforce defense units were on high alert after Soleimani's death. In "such a sensitive and critical situation" the Ukrainian aircraft had "moved very close to a sensitive military spot" belonging to Iran's Revolutionary Guards. The "altitude and the direction of the flight's movement were like an enemy target," the statement read.

Iranian president Hassan Rouhani tweeted on Saturday: "The Islamic Republic of Iran deeply regrets this disastrous mistake. My thoughts and prayers go to all the mourning families. I offer my sincerest condolences."

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

I'm hoping that Iran's current sham "representative monarchy" is torn down how about you?

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

I just don't think a fascist theocracy is a good government for the vast-majority of people in Iran.

StashAugustine posted:

Theocracies may kill lots of people nut

Raskolnikov38 posted:

if we could remotely seize control of an iranian SAM site why haven't we used this power to shoot down their leader's planes whenever they fly anywhere

because this capability does not exist

Jose posted:

such an absolutely massive piece of poo poo. someone permaban him gently caress

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1215952610538217472

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Wanting governments to "get torn down" when there isn't a cogent revolutionary movement is how you get a civil war. The fact that there are protesters doesn't mean they represent a popular sentiment, or even a critical mass of action. The fact that they're not organized is even worse.

Jose posted:

such an absolutely massive piece of poo poo. someone permaban him gently caress

gradenko_2000 posted:

thinking real hard about the first dozen pages of this thread with that poster who refused to understand that the fall of the Assad regime would have meant the collapse of civil service and infrastructure

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

for the vast-majority of people

Truga posted:

i think that you'll find, as we all know, gaddafi's and saddam's regime getting off'd really helped straighten out the situation
in libya and iraq. furthermore,

shrike82 posted:

given the track record of D&D notables (e.g PPJ) being outed as shitbags, we’ll probably find out that he’s a paedo or something