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gh0stpinballa posted:my hot take is the boys S1 is a truly subversive work of genius and if amazon had realized what was going on they wouldn't have picked it up One of the few adaptions that's better in every way than the source material.
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Some Guy TT posted:describing odo as judge dredd is kind of misleading the guys main gimmick is that hes super awkward and cant project authority even though hes a shapeshifter who could easily murder nearly any other character Fair enough, and Odo at times shows he actually belives more in justice than just the law. Says something that the Bajorans actually like him and he keeps his job even after the occupation, though he probably looked good in comparison to them. (plus, he canonically looked the other way to protect the Bajoran resistance) There's some interesting subtext (and sometimes text) with him as a third party in the whole political environment, neither Cardassian, Bajoran nor Federation either but operating under all of them, his at-first unique species making him an outsider who can claim neutrality. Odo's likely an idealisation, given on one hand he has huge control freak tendencies (something that seems to be an inherent characteristic of his species) but seems to prefer justice to to the mere machinations of law, and is explicitly shown to be more flexible in those matters than strait-laced Worf.
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i think odos a great character in general because much like worf he kind of seems like a generalization of the shapeshifter race but once we start to see more of them we find out that odos an outlier in a lot of ways because of his unusual background even the dude we meet waaay later on who like odo was teleported to the middle of nowhere so he could have wacky adventures and relate them to the homeworld is very different from odo because that guy was loving around the galaxy for centuries trying to get back and had a much more mature and confident outlook the ferengi characters work great too for a very different reason since we have three of them with completely different personalities and interpretations of ferengi culture and any time more of them show up they have unique outlooks too ditto with the cardassians and the bajorans even though in both those cases theres only one in the regular cast and both are presented as deviations right from the beginning even dax the weakest of the alien characters eventually becomes interesting because shes replaced by another trill with a completely different personality but all the same memories because thats the trill gimmick none of the later star trek incarnations do anything anywhere near as interesting as this with alien races which is why i suspect deep space nine is seen as the franchises peak not necessarily the best but definitely the point where you notice a steep drop in quality afterwards
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The Ferengi are definitely one of the few cases where you see examples of how a civilisation's ideology actually affects people who live in it; none of the recurring Ferengi are really what a Ferengi is 'supposed' to be, with two examples of people realising their society undervalues their skills and noping out to join a society that does give them an opportunity. The Changelings are a fun case of a species whose signature abilities are totally the opposite of what you'd expect from their apparently common personality traits.
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DS9 also nailed the Federation's vaunted liberalism and plurality straining like gently caress under the assault of the Dominion in a way TNG never did with the Ferengi/Slug People/Borg/Romulans and in a way Discovery's first season tried and failed at. Peak Trek at exploring the full depth of themes Trek had played with before and after.
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The Witcher TV series is the best Raymond Chandler screen adaptation there's ever been, in that Geralt is a good-but-abrasive person in a world that is not kind to good people, and in that its overall plotting is a mess but who cares.
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what if... i know this sounds totally insane... the oscars are racist?
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Finally watched Joker and anyone who called this a leftist movie — whatever the gently caress that means — is a drooling moron. It tells us the only people who want to wage class war on the rich are murderous psychopaths, similar to what The Dark Knight Rises did after Occupy.
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It's raising awareness
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It’s about how you just can’t tell jokes anymore.
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Prince Myshkin posted:Finally watched Joker and anyone who called this a leftist movie — whatever the gently caress that means — is a drooling moron. It tells us the only people who want to wage class war on the rich are murderous psychopaths, similar to what The Dark Knight Rises did after Occupy. Yeah. It’s a nervous look at the street from the penthouse floor. Still fun tho.
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i really want to see the joker but havent yet the two movies i want to see most though are mandy and parasite
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Ferengi are definitely one of the few cases where you see examples of how a civilisation's ideology actually affects people who live in it; none of the recurring Ferengi are really what a Ferengi is 'supposed' to be, with two examples of people realising their society undervalues their skills and noping out to join a society that does give them an opportunity. I like how DS9 also subverting the cultures in which Quak is forced to hire Garak to knock him off since Quark got tricked by a rival and is forced to question following arbitrary rules.
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gh0stpinballa posted:my hot take is the boys S1 is a truly subversive work of genius and if amazon had realized what was going on they wouldn't have picked it up Plus the show runners were savvy enough to not adapt the creepy and outdated aspects of the source material. Antony Star also knocks it out of the park as Homelander / Trumpian superman parody.
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etalian posted:Plus the show runners were savvy enough to not adapt the creepy and outdated aspects of the source material. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibew-vGffH0
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I got suckered into buying a month of Starz. Should I watch Black Sails?
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these oscar nominations are bizarre after several months of the press downplaying joker and it getting snubbed nearly everywhere else how is it now somehow the frontrunner are academy members just that desperate to prove that superhero movies are artistically significant but knew theyd be laughed at if theyd picked one of the other ones
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Prince Myshkin posted:Finally watched Joker and anyone who called this a leftist movie — whatever the gently caress that means — is a drooling moron. It tells us the only people who want to wage class war on the rich are murderous psychopaths, similar to what The Dark Knight Rises did after Occupy. It's about how Arthur has zero class consciousness and just fucks around doing his own thing reacting to what more powerful people do to him. The only evil people with agency are the rich.
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etalian posted:I like how DS9 also subverting the cultures in which Quak is forced to hire Garak to knock him off since Quark got tricked by a rival and is forced to question following arbitrary rules. It's also really funny when Garak tries to find a way of killing Quark that Quark will accept. And I don't think he got around to calling off that hit...
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I got suckered into buying a month of Starz. Should I watch Black Sails? if you can stream it yeah, the first few seasons have a lot of boring bits in the middle bookended by incredibly good episodes. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 07:43 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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Babylon V was also really good. What do you want?
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https://twitter.com/startrekcbs/status/1216477275660488705 Setting aside Wil Wheaton getting completely owned on twitter and leaving and never coming back because of his ties to Chris Hardwick, what was the thing that set off this style of show where you have a show immediately after the show that just aired, just to "explain" it and talk about it? Because it seems like the most braindead thing imaginable, next to the youtube videos that already do that for you.
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talking bad for breaking bad appears to be the first example of this hosted by hilariously enough chris hardwick id never heard of this show while it was actually contemporaneous but i noticed a lot of references to it when i recently watched the show and was revisiting ancient critiques of it talking dead for walking dead i did hear about contemporaneously but considering id only ever seen people mention it in a mocking tone for the entire premises obvious pointlessness i dont have a clue why this is a regular thing for so many shows now
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I remember all the way back in the day 24 had a mini-talk show on the web where a host would interview cast and crew. Did Lost have something similar to keep stirring proto-Reddit? Talking Dead and Talking Bad were probably the first instances where they realized they can put it on TV and have be considered content in its own right.
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Talking Bad was worth it to see Samuel L Jackson and Bob Odenkirk disagree with each other on what’s the true reading of the Walter/Skylar dynamic
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It's the parasocial recreation of talking about a show with your friends, and it's a cheap way to squeeze out an extra half hour to an hour of content.
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Echo Chamber posted:Did Lost have something similar to keep stirring proto-Reddit? LOST had a bunch of ARGs that kept people obsessed with the Abrams and Lindelof mystery box something to do, like punching numbers into a computer every 108 minutes
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Gamers rose up, all right. Into the High Class world of the Academy.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/startrekcbs/status/1216477275660488705 this happened to him on mastodon too, he just got loving ethered because of a ligma joke
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Skellybones posted:It's about how Arthur has zero class consciousness and just fucks around doing his own thing reacting to what more powerful people do to him. The only evil people with agency are the rich. Kinda agree, but adding nuance. Arthur has one of two embarrassments essential to the American character- that of ideological insight into ones own condition (the other is talking about money and I’d argue it’s even stronger than fear of ideology because we still aren’t comfortable beating our friends and family up on Facebook about it)- and the movie is a kind of Bildungsroman about him arranging his lived experiences into a worldview that endows him the ability to act (albeit it while hiding his belief system behind claims even to himself about being non political, so strong is the embarrassment over awareness that there are classes or people and his position in the losing one- arguably more than any mental illness- furnishes his misery and desire to revolt) as an influential public figure. Having class consciousness while attempting to hide class consciousness is what forms the end product of his character, and what makes him the perfect activator of the unrest simmering in the minds of a the similarly ideology shy people of Gotham. Movie stumbles because it’s written and directed by rich guys in Hollywood who think they’re different than all those other rich guys because they’re artists and they have hurt feelings that all these common people are starting to no longer cut them a break. Like, even a struggling new member in the Hollywood system has an astoundingly superior standard of living than someone in one of these spooky methed out areas of New Mexico, working class areas of Chicago (to say nothing of the slums), most of Ohio, etc and it shows in how the best way they could imagine to examine the situation at hand was to remake Taxi Driver, but comic books. Their insight of the world doesn’t extend past the backlot and top ten movie lists, but they think they’ve suffered or are suffering enough to “get” what’s happening.
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Also next weekend I have the option the see Uncut Gems or Parasite in theater this weekend. Assuming I’ll see both eventually, which one is the better choice?
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mysterious frankie posted:Also next weekend I have the option the see Uncut Gems or Parasite in theater this weekend. Assuming I’ll see both eventually, which one is the better choice? Uncut Gems is the better theatrical experience
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mysterious frankie posted:Also next weekend I have the option the see Uncut Gems or Parasite in theater this weekend. Assuming I’ll see both eventually, which one is the better choice? parasite is the better movie
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I also think it’s pretty telling that when choosing a preexisting setting to tell their story about an awakening albeit malformed ideological awareness of class disparity, they picked the one that luridly depicts the poor and mentally ill the same way Lovecraft did the... well, everyone. That and making Bruce/Batman’s own origin story the product of a poverty induced riot, seeing as how he’d later going on to establish relative peace in the city with a fear-and-beatings campaign on the underclass. It’s somethin all right.
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mysterious frankie posted:I also think it’s pretty telling that when choosing a preexisting setting to tell their story about an awakening albeit malformed ideological awareness of class disparity, they picked the one that luridly depicts the poor and mentally ill the same way Lovecraft did the... well, everyone. makes you think
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mysterious frankie posted:I also think it’s pretty telling that when choosing a preexisting setting to tell their story about an awakening albeit malformed ideological awareness of class disparity, they picked the one that luridly depicts the poor and mentally ill the same way Lovecraft did the... well, everyone. yeah it has a lot to say about the society we live in, alright
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I also watched some other movies this weekend that weren’t super good
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1917 was ok. felt like a fairy tale set in WW1. weird how all the germans were evil regardless of context
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