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What is with this weird hate for Nighteye?
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Jan 13, 2020 15:34
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It would be nice if any of the show’s dozens of female characters could get one of those big emotional sakuga-laden displays of heroism one of these days but after this arc I’m kinda just resigned to this never happening. Bubble girl and laser girl were so extraneous it’s comical.
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Jan 13, 2020 16:20
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bubble girl was just a contest-winner cameo so she was never going to be plot-relevant, but there's no such excuse for nejire
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Jan 13, 2020 16:21
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Mordaedil posted:What is with this weird hate for Nighteye? Because he's a big butt and he takes up more screentime being a big butt while the girls are actually doing work and not being huge butts about it but getting nothing for it.
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Jan 13, 2020 16:52
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I wonder if Horikoshi being extremely sick and ultimately not enjoying working on the arc led to stuff just not making it to the table - like the girls' fight outside. I know a lot of people were hoping the show would expound on it, but in a weird twist, apparently all their staff were busy working on the movie? Maybe Nighteye looked into the show's future and locked it in to being just like the manga 
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Jan 13, 2020 18:19
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I don't like Nighteye because his powers are absurd. I have a strong distaste for time travel/manipulation/etc in stories, because it's always stupid.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:25
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Even before this, hasn’t Ochako been the only one to get serious fights with a lot of screentime against Bakugo (a legitimate brawl and one of the better fights in the series) and against Toga? IDK if it’s because Horikoshi isn’t comfortable drawing fights like that or if it’s because the series emphasizes boys getting the fights (being, y’know, a shonen) but it’s a pretty glaring flaw of the series.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:45
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My problem with Nighteye is that we're supposed to take his deterministic predictions as some sort of big deal, but we're never actually shown them in detail and we aren't him so all we have to go on is what he says, which usually isn't much. We also aren't party to any of he previous struggles with regard to reading the far future or altering future events. That type of story has already been done pretty well in Stein's Gate but again with Nighteye we just have to take his word for it. All of this off-camera pre-series "here have a flashback" development of his character just makes him seem really shallow. The anime helped because the acting really sold his despair, but even then he's still pretty one-note and feels more like a plot device than a full character. E: I also agree with the sentiment that it's really silly that Suneater gets an entire fight but Nejire gets catcalled by a Yakuza guy and pewpews him a couple times before "enough of that, back to Deku". Solanumai fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Jan 13, 2020 19:27
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As for the girls never getting any good scenes, does this ever change in the comic?
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Jan 13, 2020 21:44
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Probably a better conversation to have in the manga thread.
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Jan 13, 2020 21:47
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Shere posted:We also aren't party to any of he previous struggles with regard to reading the far future or altering future events. That type of story has already been done pretty well in Stein's Gate but again with Nighteye we just have to take his word for it. I feel like with the only other experience we have seeing a vision, and the buildup to it, being the part with Deku trying to get him to stamp the form at the start of the internship, we're meant to take that as precedent that what he sees is supposedly immutable but his interpretation of it can be wrong. Like, he sees Deku slumped against the wall but it's not until we get there in "real" time that he learns what it actually meant and decides to sign Deku on. There's also the possibility that we're getting this weird prophecy nonsense for a thing we've already seen at this point. We've not seen the Foresight vision he got for All Might's death, so it's not impossible it was the All for One fight. After all, All Might did die in that fight. Toshinori Yagi survived, which sounds like a pedantic gotcha but there's also like no chance that he's going to go out of his way to pick a fight against any villain at this point.
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Jan 13, 2020 21:48
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also deku’s insane determination was shown more effectively last season with “deku nearly sacrifices everything to save one kid that punched him in the dick just a few hours ago” than with this whole change the future business there’s more than enough driving this fight as-is without having to also toss in “it was prophesized that izuku would die here” Augus fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Jan 13, 2020 21:51
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That's what I mean, it's almost superfluous to the events anyway. Deku wanting to save Eri and Eri realizing she wants to be saved is already compelling enough without some guy on the sidelines going "lmao no you can't".
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Jan 13, 2020 21:55
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Jackard posted:As for the girls never getting any good scenes, does this ever change in the comic?
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Jan 13, 2020 22:02
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I do like that they made the end here more about Eri regaining her agency rather than just about the heroes who wanna punch the bad guy.
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Jan 13, 2020 22:18
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The future-changing is explicitly about Eri, not Deku. Not even one episode ago Overhaul used one of his minions' voices to convince Eri that her struggling and trying to escape was in vain because people around her still got hurt regardless, and compelled her to come back to Overhaul. At the start of the arc, Eri attempts to escape but is caught by Overhaul and goes back with him rather than have him turn Mirio and Deku into bloody smears. Overhaul says something like "You don't want this to happen again, like the other times, do you?" Nighteye's vision sees a dead Deku, just like all the other times Eri tried to escape from Overhaul. But this time she actually decides to leave, leaping into Deku's arms, and through her power she finally prevents Overhaul from killing people and undoing the escape. IMO
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Jan 13, 2020 22:35
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Nighteye sucks because he's a creepy weirdo who hooks his employee up to a tickle torture machine.
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Jan 13, 2020 22:40
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Skypie posted:I wonder if Horikoshi being extremely sick and ultimately not enjoying working on the arc led to stuff just not making it to the table - like the girls' fight outside. I wonder if Hori being sick factored into the main villain screeching about everyone being sick. A Bug posted:Nighteye sucks because he's a creepy weirdo who hooks his employee up to a tickle torture machine. Yeah, I still don't know what that was about.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:05
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I like when Deku kicked that motherfucker into orbit.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:12
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JT Smiley posted:I like when Deku kicked that motherfucker into orbit. Are you Toga?
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Jan 13, 2020 23:13
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I think if I've got one big problem with this arc it's that it spent a lot of time developing the backstories and arcs of a lot of characters that we've never seen before and don't have much reason to believe will become very relevant. I suppose that last part will depend on if Eri will be able to restore Nighteye's life or Mirio's powers, but I think that's the main source of the dragging feeling - that we spent several entire episodes establishing what various side-characters' power sets do while their impact on the plot is "Mirio and Izuku didn't have to fight those enemies". Of the characters that we actually knew about before the last couple episodes of last season, we saw how Kirishima became who he is and his dedication to his idea of chivalry, and Izuku brooding over failing to protect one girl. That's maybe one and a half episodes' worth of character development of established characters. The rest just all feels like self-contained filler. Which is not to say I didn't enjoy it, there were some really sick fights. I just hope we see more character stuff in the second half of the season.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:34
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Dragonatrix posted:There's also the possibility that we're getting this weird prophecy nonsense for a thing we've already seen at this point. We've not seen the Foresight vision he got for All Might's death, so it's not impossible it was the All for One fight. After all, All Might did die in that fight. Toshinori Yagi survived, which sounds like a pedantic gotcha but there's also like no chance that he's going to go out of his way to pick a fight against any villain at this point. Nighteye: He ceased to be All Might and became Toshinori Yagi. When that happened, the good man who was the Symbol of Peace was destroyed. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:49
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If copy quirk guy copied all for one, could he then use his copied all for one quirk to steal the real all for one quirk and give it to himself
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Jan 14, 2020 00:39
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ninjewtsu posted:If copy quirk guy copied all for one, could he then use his copied all for one quirk to steal the real all for one quirk and give it to himself Theoretically, assuming that All For One can be stolen. One For All can't, so maybe there's a similar exception for All For One. However, Twice can't control the copies at all, which is his entire problem. He has to talk to them and convince them to do things. An All For One copy (assuming All For One would be willing to have his measurements taken) wouldn't betray himself like this and probably just murder Twice for suggesting it. Twice own copies didn't even listen to him and had a violent revolt, which lead to his entire broken personality and trauma about being unable to trust himself. He's not going to make copies of heroes for the same reason. They'd just beat him up.
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Jan 14, 2020 15:36
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I'm assuming they mean Monoma, not Twice.
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Jan 14, 2020 16:27
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If Twice copied Deku, could that clone pass on their One for All to someone else?
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Jan 14, 2020 16:30
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I suspect Monoma actually could copy All for One and move quirks around with it. But All for One (the guy) is clever enough that this would be really dangerous; for example, Monoma might be tricked into copying a quirk that permanently hurts himself as well.
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Jan 14, 2020 16:40
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If Monoma copied All For One and ended up copying all the quirks he stole as well, he'd probably go brain dead since the human body can't handle too many quirks at once. Even All For One had a limit to what he can handle.
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Jan 14, 2020 16:53
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e: By jove, no spoilers, you jerkfaces! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 14, 2020 17:01
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Dude don’t post manga spoilers in the anime thread
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Jan 14, 2020 17:03
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Key point: Monoma would have to touch AfO to Copy him, and Monoma is way too chickenshit for that.
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Jan 14, 2020 17:05
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Monoma would get AfO and then spend the entire time limit gloating to class 1-A about how cool he is now and accomplish nothing
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Jan 14, 2020 17:08
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Dumb spoiler crap What is wrong with you History has to stop repeating itself
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Jan 14, 2020 17:56
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they're just in such a rush to let everyone know ~they read the manga~ they can't help themselves
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Jan 14, 2020 18:04
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i kinda wanna see the copy quirk guy in action, it seems like you could get some interesting fights off of an ability like that if he got a cool fight before any girl did though i'd probably be pretty mad
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Jan 14, 2020 19:03
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ninjewtsu posted:i kinda wanna see the copy quirk guy in action, it seems like you could get some interesting fights off of an ability like that i feel like fully displaying the potential of a powerset like monoma's would require someone cleverer with action scenes than horikoshi's turned out to be the opening arcs could get pretty smart with mix-and-matching the utilities of various quirks, but ever since then (and especially since full cowl was introduced) most fights have just been variations on "punch 'im inna face" they're great face-punches, mind you, a finer collection of face-punches one could scarcely ask for, but that's mostly what they are
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Jan 14, 2020 19:59
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i dunno, my feeling was less "the story isn't competent enough to have better fight scenes" and more "the story frequently isn't trying to have better fight scenes" when it puts its mind to it it can get pretty fun with the quirks in action sequences. even a character with a fairly straight forward quirk like bakugo can do some pretty visually inventive stuff with using it to move around
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Jan 14, 2020 20:14
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Honestly I kind of like that this series sticks to straightforward cathartic brawls and not 9th dimensional ninja chess.
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Jan 14, 2020 20:26
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The last episode was cool. It's good to see they put some effort into a fight even though it was COMPLETELY one sided the villain dissolving his minions and turning their flesh into a flesh mech was also completely grotesque and awesome Zzulu fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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Jan 14, 2020 20:27
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Amajiki's Vast Hybrid seems like a pretty good starting point for how Monoma could use his powers. Didn't he combine some of those food traits together to make his tentacles stronger or something?
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Jan 14, 2020 20:34
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