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There's an old private eye column that lists a ~20 year history of Branson claiming Virgin Galactic is just around the corner. e: there it is: 
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Could you imagine a bunch of guys with huge beards and weird hats speaking ancient languages and doing strange things with boxes full of words at a wizarding school? It'd make a mockery of the whole thing. Someone get Mel Brooks on the phone. winegums posted:There's far more tangible/relatable poo poo on earth to see before we go off planet. Fine for the leisure class who've "done" every major country and continent, not fine for some of us who still want to go to so many places on earth. You could do the same thing cheaper with a mattock handle, but it gets you in trouble. Not going to lie, I'd like to see the earth from above like that, but I don't think it'd be affordable unless launch tech changes a lot.
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Jan 14, 2020 13:13
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Miftan posted:Sorry I'm not being clear. I agree with you and I think Graeber might as well. He's just saying the tories might have found a way to leverage that frustration into winning with people whose interests they don't represent. Whereas I would say that the evidence that working-age people were fooled in that way in any meaningful numbers is weak or non-existent. Most Tory voters were correctly expressing their class interests by voting Tory, at least on the cases as presented by the two parties. Some people pick up bins, some have bins picked up for them.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:And getting into doomed romances with those predators Which is why the Antifa analogy works far better. Spike is literally a basement dwelling incel dweeb who signed up with evil to get a sense of self-worth (and girls).
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Jan 14, 2020 13:13
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It's a loving hypothetical trip to the moon. Yes I don't think anyone can guarantee my safe return from Lidl let alone Virgin not smashing me straight into the ground but that's not the spirit of the game is it? Someone asks you you want to go to the moon you say yes please. Just such a sheer lack of adventure and imagination coming off you lot, honestly.
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Jan 14, 2020 13:18
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radmonger posted:Whereas I would say that the evidence that working-age people were fooled in that way in any meaningful numbers is weak or non-existent. I dunno, most people work well into their 60s now and they didn't vote Labour. Your bin metaphor isn't great imo, but regardless, are there aren't enough people in this country whose class interests are served by the tories to account for all their voters? 12 million? Yeah, the old pensioners aren't working class, but there are definitely people who work for a living, haven't retired yet and didn't vote Labour.
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Jan 14, 2020 13:24
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There's nothing to even do on the Moon unless you want to be the first person to masturbate on there, incidentally you'd also be breaking another record for being the first to die on the moon.
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Jan 14, 2020 13:26
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Judge Tesla posted:There's nothing to even do on the Moon unless you want to be the first person to masturbate on there, incidentally you'd also be breaking another record for being the first to die on the moon. None of that is going to get Brexit done.
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Jan 14, 2020 13:27
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Junior G-man posted:https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1217041173266804736?s=20 This is kind of a jokey survey but I genuinely think it illustrates a big problem with UK society. It’s like an entire country is in clinical depression. Someone asks if, in the best possible circumstances, you would want to go to the Moon, and huge swathes of the population say “nah, it’ll be poo poo, innit”. No wonder we’re voting for the Tories and Brexit when people cannot even imagine things being good.
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Jan 14, 2020 13:32
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Judge Tesla posted:There's nothing to even do on the Moon unless you want to be the first person to masturbate on there, incidentally you'd also be breaking another record for being the first to die on the moon. These brave men know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice. These two men are laying down their lives in mankind’s most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding. They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown. In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man. In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations. In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood. Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts. For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever wanking. Gonzo McFee posted:Someone asks you you want to go to the moon you say yes please.
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Comrade Fakename posted:This is kind of a jokey survey but I genuinely think it illustrates a big problem with UK society. It’s like an entire country is in clinical depression. Someone asks if, in the best possible circumstances, you would want to go to the Moon, and huge swathes of the population say “nah, it’ll be poo poo, innit”. I wonder how many people are just so locked in the everyday grind mindset that when a wizard promises you safe passage to the drat moon people start worrying about how many holidays they have left and how they really need to lie on a beach for a bit
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Comrade Fakename posted:This is kind of a jokey survey but I genuinely think it illustrates a big problem with UK society. It’s like an entire country is in clinical depression. Someone asks if, in the best possible circumstances, you would want to go to the Moon, and huge swathes of the population say “nah, it’ll be poo poo, innit”. Next Labour campaign messaging is just going to have to be "We're gonna make it worse but we're gonna take those posh cunts with us" and we'll get 400 seats. Then when things get better we brag about it. gently caress it, the brits would probably treat that as too positive a campaign as well.
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Skegness is going underwater so why not move it to the moon before it's too late? Not sure the coin machines will work in low g though
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radmonger posted:Whereas I would say that the evidence that working-age people were fooled in that way in any meaningful numbers is weak or non-existent. The problem is not necessarily that younger people were fooled into voting Tory, but more that they didn't turn out at all or voted for other progressive parties - that's the shape of an election where turnout is down, Labour vote goes way down, Tory vote goes up a bit and remain parties gain a chunk of votes.
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Jan 14, 2020 13:57
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Bundy posted:Virgin In Raging Galactic Inferno Nightmare That's a cruel generalisation to make about goons
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Judge Tesla posted:There's nothing to even do on the Moon unless you want to be the first person to masturbate on there, incidentally you'd also be breaking another record for being the first to die on the moon. Worth it though.
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Paul.Power posted:And to bring in yet another author, it always makes me wonder how the course of all this stuff might have altered if Douglas Adams hadn't died of a heart attack in 2001 aged 49. In that Adams, Dawkins' best friend, was also a staunch atheist - but one capable of making jokes about it and understanding others' point of view. So he could have added a lot more humanity (humanism, if you will Adams would have gone full fedora at a moment's notice. If you read between the lines of his relationships with women, and look at the (very few) women in his books*, he definitely had a bit of a complex about them - the sort of breathless, nerdy "Oh my god women are perfect and holy creatures" (who our nice-guy author avatar can't understand) that you inevitably see as the first step into MRA-dom. * Off the top of my head I can only think of five - Trillian, Fenchurch, Random, Susan Way, and the American woman in Long Dark Teatime Of The Soul. Of these only one, Random, has any actual perceivable character flaws, and has an actual material effect on the plot through their own agency. *Arguably* you could say that Trillian, by conceiving and raising Random, had some effect too but it took five books for her to be written as anything more than a narrator. Notably Fenchurch, the most ineffably perfect of them all, was written at a time when Adams had just broken up with his long-term partner, and Random was written just after he'd married her. Maybe I'm over-thinking it - Adams was if nothing else incredibly self-aware and generally tried to minimise the harm he caused to others, so it's possible he'd have just bumbled along as before, but like I say you always see that kind of putting women on a pedestal in the past of the sort of people who have very strong opinions about people called Chad.
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The third world war will be fought by opposing space forces taking cover in moon craters.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Skegness is going underwater so why not move it to the moon before it's too late? Imagine the Tipping Point specials though!
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ThomasPaine posted:e: the history of new atheism as a whole is real interesting, because despite its eventual association with the alt-right edginess I definitely remember its very early period having a very liberatory tone. Whatever crap Dawkins went on to say, the god delusion was as critical of christianity as it was islam etc iirc, and he made an effort to include lots of contact details for organisations that help people out of oppressive, super conservative religious environments. It did initially feel like he was trying to do A Good Thing regardless of your position on his work. I'm pretty sure my transition from dumb 16 year old libertarian to socialist was influenced by that. I think there's a commonality with the materialism of some strains of oldschool Orthodox Marxism there (loathe as they would be to admit it) in that those types of social stratification aren't rational and therefore would go away in a truly [insert ideology] society wait why is everyone mad about women in video games now? And now the Christian Conservatives are back and fully masks off about the white nationalism/Dominionism bits. The New Atheism certainly seemed to do something though, especially in the US:  But that just makes me wonder what's taking the place of religion. The big mistake of New Atheists (and the fundamentalist Christians alike) was treating a lot of the religious texts as a set of facts or a proto-rationalist understanding of the world. Like if you can debunk the laughably scientifically inaccurate bits in Genesis then you can debunk the Bible and thus debunk Christianity, and conversely if you can prove them. But most Jewish scholars have treated that as entirely metaphorical since before modernity, and guys like Irving Finkel take it further into analysis of Babylonian and proto-semitic mythology. When you strip people not just of the harmful and irrational bits but also of the mythology and community, what replaces it?
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josh04 posted:There's an old private eye column that lists a ~20 year history of Branson claiming Virgin Galactic is just around the corner. What year did one of their crafts disintegrate in the upper atmosphere because the pilot accidentally pulled the "disintegrate in the upper atmosphere" lever? Edit: Ah, one month after that article. Strom Cuzewon fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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e: ^^^looks like someone didn't get the memo about not speaking to The Bad Jews(r), which presumably includes JVL, Jewdas and *checks notes* uh, the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregationsgoddamnedtwisto posted:Notably Fenchurch, the most ineffably perfect of them all, was written at a time when Adams had just broken up with his long-term partner Borrovan fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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Comrade Fakename posted:This is kind of a jokey survey but I genuinely think it illustrates a big problem with UK society. It’s like an entire country is in clinical depression. Someone asks if, in the best possible circumstances, you would want to go to the Moon, and huge swathes of the population say “nah, it’ll be poo poo, innit”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjGlLKot6_c
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MikeCrotch posted:The problem is not necessarily that younger people were fooled into voting Tory, but more that they didn't turn out at all or voted for other progressive parties - that's the shape of an election where turnout is down, Labour vote goes way down, Tory vote goes up a bit and remain parties gain a chunk of votes. Well yes, Corbyn made the same mistake as Clinton. Triangulating to try and pick up a group of voters does not work when there is party more directly and openly serving their interests. Doesn’t matter how many times you tell well off people Trump is dumb, they think of tax cuts and hold their nose as they vote.
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Ardennes posted:Anyone have any data on the potential trade impact of Brexit with a deal? I have seen plenty...perhaps too many... on the potential impact on no deal Brexit, but relatively few on Brexit with a deal. It's difficult to say since there are many possible deals and also because lol at the thought that Boris Johnson has put any thought on what any of the details of any deal might be. But, option A for a deal would be something like, sell the NHS to the US and be forced to eat their chlorinated chicken and poo poo-infested lettuce, and also since US and UK now have a close trading relationship, that makes any UK-EU deal super duper hard since everything between UK and EU would be customs, tariffs, food regulations, environmental regulations, etc etc etc, so it's a complete nightmare. Basically swap the close EU relationship for a close US relationship which cannot be a net benefit for the UK no matter how you do it. Option B would be for Boris Johnson to suddenly turn his back on option A (which is what he's been talking about for years) and instead decide he wants to be closely aligned to the EU regulation-wise; in other words, Brexit in name only, which would be completely pointless: like EU membership except worse in every way. The economy would still suffer a bit and there would be no upside. I mean, it's Brexit, so, yeah. This is what you get
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1217068568212393985 Bonging Big Ben Brexit Britain will be Brilliant again! (so long as the plebs self-fund it) 
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The least Putin can do is bung Aarron Banks the cash for it.
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Can't they legalise marijuana and put the funds towards the renovation in a bill entitled "bongs for bongs".
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I hope that kickstarter fails. Why on earth do they not just pay for it themselves? They found twice that for the dup.
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VideoGames posted:I hope that kickstarter fails. Why on earth do they not just pay for it themselves? They found twice that for the dup. Two thousand times that for the DUP, actually.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Two thousand times that for the DUP, actually. wow, I am terrible at maths! I misread that as 500 million! Good grief, then what on earth is the point of this.
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Borrovan posted:I might be misremembering this, but fwiw I seem to remember reading that he later said that he regretted writing Fenchurch that way and just had some pretty unhealthy views about relationships at the time because of the break-up Yeah, hence my mentioning his self-awareness, and that the one time he did write some interesting female characters was immediately after that when he was in a better place (at least in his relationship, the rest of his life was falling to pieces which is why Mostly Harmless gets quite so dark). The way Fenchurch is just disappeared without much comment at the start of the book (and Arthur finds contentment as far away from wacky scifi hijinks as he can get before being dragged back in) is pretty telling too.
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VideoGames posted:Why on earth do they not just pay for it themselves? Government cash is only for his mistresses, silly
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To prepare people for the future of healthcare
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Adams would have gone full fedora at a moment's notice. If you read between the lines of his relationships with women, and look at the (very few) women in his books*, he definitely had a bit of a complex about them - the sort of breathless, nerdy "Oh my god women are perfect and holy creatures" (who our nice-guy author avatar can't understand) that you inevitably see as the first step into MRA-dom. Nothing to do with Adams, but vaguely related to this and the connection people have touched on which runs from the more-logical-than-you line in New Atheism etc to MRA types, the there was an interesting piece in the New Statesman a few days ago on incels using tinder data to rationalise and reinforce their ideas about women.
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