|
Oracle posted:This isn't how it works though is it? You either vote to hear from witnesses or not, you don't get to cherry pick who because that's up to each side once the rules are agreed to. no, their plan is to explicitly say in the rules resolution they adopt which witnesses are going to get called, this gives maximum predictability for either side. even if some people are allowed to testify, McConnell seriously does not want to give Trump the ability to call anyone as a witness lol. I think he's crafty enough to understand how thoroughly Trump could gently caress him here -- better to make Trump mad at you now by only allowing specific witnesses than to make him insanely furious at you later when you have to tell him that actually you don't have 51 votes to call Crooked Hillary as a witness eke out fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Jan 14, 2020 |
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 01:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 08:43 |
|
|
Oracle posted:This isn't how it works though is it? You either vote to hear from witnesses or not, you don't get to cherry pick who because that's up to each side once the rules are agreed to. Not if you vote in a provision to only allow witnesses called from a majority vote.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 01:30
|
|
|
Deteriorata posted:In a way I'm fine with the Republicans calling a bunch nonsensical witnesses, because they'll have nothing pertinent to say in their testimony. Adam Schiff in exchange for John Bolton is a pretty good trade. Is that even a trade? I'd love to have Schiff testify.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 01:33
|
|
|
Charlz Guybon posted:Is that even a trade? I'd love to have Schiff testify.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 01:52
|
|
|
I’m not sure if it belongs in the OP or it is just posted every couple pages but I would be in favor if someone could do like a couple paragraph summary of the ways the impeachment trial is fundamental different from what we think about a criminal or civil trial. I feel like the process for witnesses, testimony, and who knows what special decisions the Rs will make has already been or will be asked a lot...I know we aren’t seeing a lot of traffic now, but once this thing hits C-SPAN, I’m sure we are going to see some serious poo poo
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 04:17
|
|
|
eke out posted:given there's better than even odds a different party controls the DOJ roughly 370 days from now, I don't think any of these people are stupid enough to think "I'll just lie about everything and it'll be fine" is an acceptable low-risk option No, "the democrats have to look forward, not backward." Don't you remember Obama?
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 08:27
|
|
|
Whoa. OK, wait a second. What happened to "Mitch has the votes"? 1glitch0 posted:No, "the democrats have to look forward, not backward." Don't you remember Obama? Oh, is Barack Obama running for President in 2020?
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 13:44
|
|
|
Fritz Coldcockin posted:Whoa. OK, wait a second. What happened to "Mitch has the votes"? yeah it appears, based on rapid shifts in republican messaging, their best case scenario is now "Only John Bolton testifies against trump" 1glitch0 posted:No, "the democrats have to look forward, not backward." Don't you remember Obama? can you at least try to contribute to the thread in any way rather than shitposting? i know this is a big ask but please take it under advisement eke out fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Jan 14, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 13:50
|
|
|
Crazyweasel posted:I’m not sure if it belongs in the OP or it is just posted every couple pages but I would be in favor if someone could do like a couple paragraph summary of the ways the impeachment trial is fundamental different from what we think about a criminal or civil trial. I'll do this at some point before the trial, assuming I get time. Until then, the answer is almost certainly going to be available on lawfare if you want real specifics or here's politico with a less-specific overview https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1217040640229498880
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 13:52
|
|
|
The Senate trial is going to be a tough balancing act for Republicans since the only thing rich old white people love more than doing crimes is snitching.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 14:02
|
|
|
What is the theory in what Bolton knows?
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 14:20
|
|
|
cr0y posted:What is the theory in what Bolton knows? Where the bodies are buried.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 15:25
|
|
|
cr0y posted:What is the theory in what Bolton knows? “I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up."
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 15:28
|
|
|
i'm assuming bolton knows just about everything
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 15:30
|
|
|
Republicans were screaming hearsay during the house testimony but that’s harder to argue when it’s the president’s national security advisor who should have personally been there when trump was talking and planning all this stuff.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 16:32
|
|
|
Rauros posted:“I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up." also telling multiple deputies to immediately report what they know to NSC counsel
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 16:40
|
|
|
Bolton is not going to rock the boat. But getting him to testify is a crack in the wall, creating an opening for more testimony, more GOP making fools of themselves, and more Trump twitter madness.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 18:17
|
|
|
Hunter Biden?
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 18:22
|
|
|
mcmagic posted:Hunter Biden? This isn't CSPAM and drive-by shitposting isn't welcome in this thread. Please try to actually contribute something of value, engage in good faith, or, alternatively, don't post at all.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 19:31
|
|
|
eke out posted:This isn't CSPAM and drive-by shitposting isn't welcome in this thread. Please try to actually contribute something of value, engage in good faith, or, alternatively, don't post at all. I'm not posting in bad faith, I think they should actually let the Republicans call Hunter Biden.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:06
|
|
|
mcmagic posted:I'm not posting in bad faith, I think they should actually let the Republicans call Hunter Biden.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:21
|
|
|
mcmagic posted:I'm not posting in bad faith, I think they should actually let the Republicans call Hunter Biden. Democrats would have nothing to gain. What he did or didn’t do is irrelevant to the impeachment. All it would do is muddy the waters.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:22
|
|
|
You realize that if the D's get to call Bolton and Pompeo, Trump will get to call his own witnesses, right? So let him call Hunder Biden... Who cares. Maybe we get lucky and it hurts Joe in the primary
mcmagic fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jan 14, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:26
|
|
|
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...vic872tGwXlJ3o0 its offcial. they dont have enough votes to kill it outright.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:30
|
|
|
mcmagic posted:You realize that if the D's get to call Bolton and Pompeo, Trump will get to call his own witnesses, right? So let him call Hunder Biden... Who cares. Maybe we get lucky and it hurts Joe in the primary Not necessarily. They can set the rules for witnesses they want. They could restrict it to a certain list and not make it a free for all. If anything that seems more likely now.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:30
|
|
|
mcmagic posted:You realize that if the D's get to call Bolton and Pompeo, Trump will get to call his own witnesses, right? So let him call Hunder Biden... Who cares. Maybe we get lucky and it hurts Joe in the primary It's an impeachment trial about whether Trump abused the power of his office to damage a political rival, and you think it'd be a good idea during the trial to give Trump the go-ahead to continue his efforts, completely undercutting the Dem's own argument that Trump's actions were beyond the pale and severe enough to merit impeaching.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:32
|
|
|
mcmagic posted:You realize that if the D's get to call Bolton and Pompeo, Trump will get to call his own witnesses, right? So let him call Hunder Biden... Who cares. Maybe we get lucky and it hurts Joe in the primary Republicans in the Senate are not going to ask for Biden's testimony
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:32
|
|
|
oxsnard posted:Republicans in the Senate are not going to ask for Biden's testimony You sure? https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1217168179711172609
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:36
|
|
|
95% of republicans don't want ANYONE testifying. There's no one they can call that could help the president. Only the Neocons want Bolton.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:37
|
|
|
it's going to own if this actually happens, since it's going to be the most insane circus imaginable. all that wishcasting from McConnell about a manageable trial with no witnesses that gets quickly finished? right out the door we know from six weeks' worth of polling that impeachment hearings didn't help republicans at all, and them turning this into an even more insane spectacle while even more people are watching is going to actively hurt them eke out fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jan 14, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:38
|
|
|
Perhaps the play is to call as many witnesses as possible, drag out the trial with as much inane bullshit as they can find & hope the American public gets tired of hearing about it and treats the acquittal as a "finally that's over" instead of  added bonus: Warren, Klobuchar & Sanders would be stuck in DC during the trial and not campaigning
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:40
|
|
|
Ehh I think actually getting shitbirds like Mulvaney and McGahn to the stand would be a net win for the Democrats. Not to mention career OMB officials basically calling out the lies and cover-up. You can't hide that in a circus.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:47
|
|
|
Pander posted:Ehh I think actually getting shitbirds like Mulvaney and McGahn to the stand would be a net win for the Democrats. Not to mention career OMB officials basically calling out the lies and cover-up. You can't hide that in a circus. oh absolutely if the choice is between (1) no one gets to testify (2) free for all i'll take (2) in a heartbeat. if it's just "bolton for hunter biden, and no one else" though then it's less obviously worth it (though maybe still, on the balance, worth it)
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 20:50
|
|
|
We get Rudy and they get to put Hillary's server on the stand. WHY ARE YOU STONEWALLING LITTLE GRAY BOX WITH A DELL LOGO? 
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 21:06
|
|
|
oldskool posted:added bonus: Warren, Klobuchar & Sanders would be stuck in DC during the trial and not campaigning So would Collins, Cornyn, Tillis, Gardener, Loeffler, Perdue, and hell gently caress it Mitch.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 21:33
|
|
|
eke out posted:oh absolutely bolton might show up. but its sounds like trumps gonna get his wish and make this a dumb circus about sucking him off and screaming at his enemies.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 21:34
|
|
|
cr0y posted:We get Rudy and they get to put Hillary's server on the stand. "It was in fact NOT safe to turn off this computer, 5/5 pinocchios"
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 22:00
|
|
|
e: wrong thread.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 22:18
|
|
|
eke out posted:if it's just "bolton for hunter biden, and no one else" though then it's less obviously worth it (though maybe still, on the balance, worth it)
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2020 23:18
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 08:43 |
|