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Lord_Magmar posted:The answer is in game it's straight up implied by how 2B reacts to the Goliath Fight ending and having to kill 9S that she's done this a few times, we also later see her memories which show a lot more history than the game accounts for, and there's stuff with 9S that also implies he's subconsciously aware of the cycle because of self-hacking. Lastly extra-content from stories and the theatrical performance spell it out, 2B's had to kill 9S over 200 times in total or something close, and it wears her down like the weight of the world, basically all the first time meeting stuff is for 9S benefit and the Commander and both Operators are actually aware of this and help to hide it, although nobody but the Commander and 2B/E know her true purpose. I mean. It makes her Nietzsche-ian monologue at the beginning of the game a little more understandable.
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One of the first things that I did after I got Ending E was just quickly booting up a new game on an impulse, at which point I was slammed by the newfound meaning of 2B’s intro speech. I will admit that I had been crying because of the endings, so I was still emotionally hyped up by all of that but yeah.
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i am tim! posted:One of the first things that I did after I got Ending E was just quickly booting up a new game on an impulse, at which point I was slammed by the newfound meaning of 2B’s intro speech. I will admit that I had been crying because of the endings, so I was still emotionally hyped up by all of that but yeah. I love 2B's mention of killing God in that speech. It sounds like bullshit cliche at first because JRPGs love killing God but the meaning continually changes up to and including the very end of the game.
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Jan 14, 2020 19:24
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Steve Yun posted:This is up there with some of Dark Souls’/Bloodborne’s best visual gags Father Servo owns.
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Midjack posted:Father Servo owns. Him and the racing bot hosed me up. "No-where else to go from here. Laterz!" *kills self*
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Jan 14, 2020 20:20
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Man, gently caress Father Servo.
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Hikaki posted:I love 2B's mention of killing God in that speech. It sounds like bullshit cliche at first because JRPGs love killing God but the meaning continually changes up to and including the very end of the game. This game is genius. I had totally forgotten how cliche that “we must kill god” spiel sounded the first time I heard it. Now I’m pretty convinced this is the most slyly written game ever.
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Jan 14, 2020 23:34
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I sure am glad my PC copy keeps crashing and corrupting my saves 
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well why not posted:This game is genius. I had totally forgotten how cliche that “we must kill god” spiel sounded the first time I heard it. Now I’m pretty convinced this is the most slyly written game ever. It was definitely a subtle bait and switch playing with JRPG tropes in a more depressing and existential manner. I genuinely can't think of a game that pulls off as many narrative tricks as this one.
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It reminds me of Evangelion in that it manages to have its cake and eat it too. Yes it’s anime about robots doing cool fights but it’s also a full on critique and deconstruction of itself. It’s meta in a way that’s not obnoxious or destructive of the surface level content. Lots of books, movies and TV shows dip to this meta level but it’s kinda unheard of in video games, at least at this production level.
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Jan 15, 2020 02:00
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Steve Yun posted:Man, gently caress Father Servo. Level up and come back, one of his forms has a steep difficulty step.
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Jan 15, 2020 02:16
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Reminder the Nier orchestra concert is in chicago in 2 weeks and the Saturday show still has lots of seats left.
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Midjack posted:Level up and come back, one of his forms has a steep difficulty step. I beat his red belt karate form, he was a massive sponge and took half an hour. 9S said whew I’m glad we never have to see him again which feels like we’re gonna see him again
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Steve Yun posted:I beat his red belt karate form, he was a massive sponge and took half an hour. 9S said whew I’m glad we never have to see him again which feels like we’re gonna see him again That is the last form.
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Steve Yun posted:I beat his red belt karate form, he was a massive sponge and took half an hour. 9S said whew I’m glad we never have to see him again which feels like we’re gonna see him again You’re done.
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well why not posted:It reminds me of Evangelion in that it manages to have its cake and eat it too. Yes it’s anime about robots doing cool fights but it’s also a full on critique and deconstruction of itself.
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I’d believe it. I watched Eva afterwards and the feeling of ennui and depression is definitely reminiscent. I sometimes wish this game wasn’t a 35+ hour RPG so I could share it with others more easily.
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Jan 15, 2020 04:19
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Boogalo posted:Reminder the Nier orchestra concert is in chicago in 2 weeks and the Saturday show still has lots of seats left. Huh, surprised there are any left. I brought a ticket for the London on February back in October and they sold out the same day. Like five minutes after sales opened I was in a like 2000 person queue.
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Steve Yun posted:There’s a lot of weird stuff out there Don't worry about it 
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Is there any deeper meaning to the machines being named after philosophers, or is it mainly just for the goofyness of, say, Marx and Engels resembling massive factories?
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JustaDamnFool posted:Is there any deeper meaning to the machines being named after philosophers, or is it mainly just for the goofyness of, say, Marx and Engels resembling massive factories? Having recently played the game and read/watched a lot of explanations, it seems like the game parades out all these philosophers mainly to show why each one is dumb, wrong or assholes
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Jan 15, 2020 21:27
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Steve Yun posted:Having recently played the game and read/watched a lot of explanations, it seems like the game parades out all these philosophers mainly to show why each one is dumb, wrong or assholes Especially Sartre, Taro really seems to have a hate on for Sartre.
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Jan 15, 2020 21:31
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Is the game saying existentialism is self-absorbed, or just Sartre?
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Jan 15, 2020 21:34
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God drat I want another Yoko Taro game
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History Comes Inside! posted:God drat I want another Yoko Taro game He must be up to something
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History Comes Inside! posted:God drat I want another Yoko Taro game honestly sometimes i fantasise about yoko taro coming in to gently caress around with my favorite franchises, like yoko taro fire emblem, yoko taro yakuza, yoko taro tetris, yoko taro mario kart, etc
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Steve Yun posted:Is the game saying existentialism is self-absorbed, or just Sartre? I think mostly just Sartre there. Like the game pokes fun at other philosophers, but it has some existentialist and absurdist themes. Sartre really is the only one who gets directly called out as an rear end in a top hat. (Well Nietzsche to an extent to but not nearly as viciously) Smirking_Serpent posted:honestly sometimes i fantasise about yoko taro coming in to gently caress around with my favorite franchises, like yoko taro fire emblem, yoko taro yakuza, yoko taro tetris, yoko taro mario kart, etc I really want to see how he would make Tetris a depressing shmup about the futility of existence and fundamentally corruptible nature of man. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jan 15, 2020 |
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Pascal made a wager, and lost
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Smirking_Serpent posted:honestly sometimes i fantasise about yoko taro coming in to gently caress around with my favorite franchises, like yoko taro fire emblem, yoko taro yakuza, yoko taro tetris, yoko taro mario kart, etc Do you like final fantasy?
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Bear in mind Yoko Taro's been working on a raid in FFXIV. Even if his main contributions are complete, he's likely still supervising and providing adjustments.
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The best Nier / philosopher beef is that Jean-Paul was named Sartre and Simone was named Beauvoir until the Sartre estate threatened legal action. It was late enough in development that there's some lines where 2B says "Sartre" and it's bleeped out.
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Party Boat posted:The best Nier / philosopher beef is that Jean-Paul was named Sartre and Simone was named Beauvoir until the Sartre estate threatened legal action. It was late enough in development that there's some lines where 2B says "Sartre" and it's bleeped out. That’s hilarious.
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I don’t think it would cost that much to re-record a pickup, I feel like it was an artistic decision to call attention to the Sartre estate threatening them
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Party Boat posted:It was late enough in development that there's some lines where 2B says "Sartre" and it's bleeped out. It was 9S and when the VA was doing his playthrough on Twitch he went WTF? at that line because he didn't recall the character originally being named Sartre and had no idea why they'd bleep anything out.
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That's because Japan doesn't give a gently caress about western usage rights and you can't win against a Japanese company in a Japanese court. YT hating on Sartre and Nietzsche is pretty obvious, but reminder that he made Kant a literal infant. Also, Marx and Engels get destroyed when 2B and Pascal seize their means of production.
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Beefstew posted:That's because Japan doesn't give a gently caress about western usage rights and you can't win against a Japanese company in a Japanese court.
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FractalSandwich posted:In this case, that's probably a good thing. It's clearly a ridiculously petty thing to threaten legal action over. It would be a dick move even if the actual guy were still alive. Satre and his entourage are accurately portrayed as assholes.
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So, in summary Philosophers are dummies Life is meaningless Be nice to others?
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