Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

GABA ghoul posted:

It's a strange choice because no country has ever claimed to live under communism. In Germany we just say "former east block/Warsaw pact" or "ex socialist". I don't think I've ever heard the term "post communist" used here.

Maybe if you’re talking to a bunch of academics researching forms of government, but in day to day life everyone else is going to consider the USSR a communist state. People might have less clear opinions about Yugoslavia and GDR. When they’re run by a literal "The Communist Party" as a one state system, then saying "but it wasn’t real communism" is pedantic unless you’re a professor of political philosophy.

(replying to a poster a few up) I grew up in the US and in public schools in the south and our textbooks, mid 90s, made no doubt that the Vietnam War was a debacle and a huge loss for the US. Do textbooks not say that now, since Vietnam and the US are all buddy buddy again and they’ve gone full hog rhino-and-elephant-murdering capitalist?

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Grillfiend
Nov 29, 2015

Belgians ITT
(ie Me)


Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

To be honest, i always get a weird "is Jordan trying to tell me King Arthur is buried in Manhattan?" vibe when i read the wheel of time.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
They had to close the Northharbour because guys could never find it.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Toplowtech posted:

To be honest, i always get a weird "is Jordan trying to tell me King Arthur is buried in Manhattan?" vibe when i read the wheel of time.

Is that a wheel of time thing?

I have never read it but that map immediately parsed to me as “wannabe Tolkien flips New York”

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Is that a wheel of time thing?

I have never read it but that map immediately parsed to me as “wannabe Tolkien flips New York”
Yes and there are tons of very obvious parallels between Tar Valon and Avalon. I mean beside 6 letters out of 8.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Saladman posted:

Maybe if you’re talking to a bunch of academics researching forms of government, but in day to day life everyone else is going to consider the USSR a communist state. People might have less clear opinions about Yugoslavia and GDR. When they’re run by a literal "The Communist Party" as a one state system, then saying "but it wasn’t real communism" is pedantic unless you’re a professor of political philosophy.

All those drat pedants who say North Korea is not a "real democracy" even though they're literally called Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Toplowtech posted:

To be honest, i always get a weird "is Jordan trying to tell me King Arthur is buried in Manhattan?" vibe when i read the wheel of time.

With zero context that read as fantasy Paris to me.

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde

Toplowtech posted:

To be honest, i always get a weird "is Jordan trying to tell me King Arthur is buried in Manhattan?" vibe when i read the wheel of time.

He sure as hell isn’t buried in New Jersey.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Arglebargle III posted:

With zero context that read as fantasy Paris to me.
Yes but see i am an actual Frenchman and i know that the Ile de la Cité is small and Paris is not the island, but hey your mileage and impression on the inspiration may vary. Jordan city is more Manhattan size to me. Did he ever discuss it?

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Toplowtech posted:

To be honest, i always get a weird "is Jordan trying to tell me King Arthur is buried in Manhattan?" vibe when i read the wheel of time.

Isn't the Wheel of Time setting supposed to be the Earth in the distant past/future? (Because time is a wheel, so distant past == distant future.) So yes it could be saying just that.

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.
Is the desert really called Shara

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Ras Het posted:

Is the desert really called Shara

Nah, the desert is the Waste, "Shara" is the name of the China analogue.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Toplowtech posted:

Yes but see i am an actual Frenchman and i know that the Ile de la Cité is small and Paris is not the island, but hey your mileage and impression on the inspiration may vary. Jordan city is more Manhattan size to me. Did he ever discuss it?

yeah I'm a US/france dual citizen and it's really weird to read a giant city island as Paris when NYC exists

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Good list of urban islands here.

I nominate Lübeck as being similar to Tar Valon.

Platystemon fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jan 14, 2020

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
I hate to stan Manhattan from the Bronx but there's exactly one city island that nearly tops the chart, looks almost exactly like the fantasy map written by an old rear end american, and is far larger and has more people than its small, dense competitors. Manhattan is a bit elitist but it's less so than the combined 5000ish people renting or buying million plus euro apartments on Ile de la Cité and Ile Saint-Louis combined and has approximately many times the amount of people in less space per person.

Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jan 14, 2020

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

GABA ghoul posted:

It's a strange choice because no country has ever claimed to live under communism. In Germany we just say "former east block/Warsaw pact" or "ex socialist". I don't think I've ever heard the term "post communist" used here.

It's really loving common, lol

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
More like “temporarily communism deficient”.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Cat Mattress posted:

Isn't the Wheel of Time setting supposed to be the Earth in the distant past/future?

It's the distant future (or past) a few thousand years after extremely powerful wizards all went insane and started reshaping the face of the earth as they went. There's one bit where the characters cross a mountain range and there's the ruins of a harbor on a mountain peak.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Platystemon posted:

More like “temporarily communism deficient”.

Intercommunist.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Kassad posted:

It's the distant future (or past) a few thousand years after extremely powerful wizards all went insane and started reshaping the face of the earth as they went. There's one bit where the characters cross a mountain range and there's the ruins of a harbor on a mountain peak.

Orange Devil posted:

Intercommunist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNC61-OOPdA

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Kassad posted:

It's the distant future (or past) a few thousand years after extremely powerful wizards all went insane and started reshaping the face of the earth as they went. There's one bit where the characters cross a mountain range and there's the ruins of a harbor on a mountain peak.

IRL these extremely powerful wizards are called "plate tectonics" and we find ancient marine fossils on mountaintops.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

:hmmyes:

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Wait it's Özbekistan? I didn't know that!

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

O'zbekiston actually.

Sometimes written in Cyrillic although they officially switched to a Latin alphabet a couple decades ago. Kazakhstan is now working on doing the same thing.

FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jan 15, 2020

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Post the best maps on Wikipedia. I'll start

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine
good lord. Not only horrible, but inaccurate - based on my research, the Territory of Orleans technically included West Florida west of the Perdido River as well.

From its details: "Drawn on Paint" No poo poo.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


There was no "state" in the Sabine free state which was the point. Both Spain and the US claimed it and because neither side was willing to go to war for it they had a gentleman's agreement to not have soldiers or government officials in that land.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine
You think the point is the Sabine Free State, and the map might think that's its point, but the image is only used in the Orleans Territory article. The article on the Neutral Ground has a much better map.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Orange Devil posted:

Intercommunist.

Between revolutions

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

sniper4625 posted:

Yes, Geo Safari! Hahaha.



That one looks like mine. Never met anyone else who had one, and mine is lost to the ages, but some good childhood educational fun.

Edit:

They were great for budding geographers.

Yesssssss!

It was my favourite toy as a kid.

escapegoat
Aug 18, 2013
:britain::britain:


Ptolemy-2nd Century CE :hist101:


Matthew Paris-13th Century :pwn:


"Gough" Map-14/15th Century :dong:

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

escapegoat posted:



Matthew Paris-13th Century :pwn:

Honestly thought this was a map of Ireland at first glance

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



escapegoat posted:

:britain::britain:


Ptolemy-2nd Century CE :hist101:


I like the confetti explosion in the top right corner.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I want a map that shows all of our conflicting claims with the Canadians at the maximum. Big spiky Maine with all the islands, the parts of the Louisiana Purchase over the parallel, the Pacific Northwest at 54 40, all of it. An alternate universe where only our claims on Canadian land were upheld.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

I want a map that shows all of our conflicting claims with the Canadians at the maximum. Big spiky Maine with all the islands, the parts of the Louisiana Purchase over the parallel, the Pacific Northwest at 54 40, all of it. An alternate universe where only our claims on Canadian land were upheld.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_the_United_States :) Not an alternate history map, but it is built to be the USA from its perspective, meaning it has the maximal interpretation of all treaties. Where that intersects with others' claims is handled in a companion set of maps.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply